RHOC S18 E4--Confrontations on the Green

 RHOC S18 E4

In this episode, Heather and Terry discuss the possibility of renting their LA penthouse, with Heather expressing her reluctance. Meanwhile, Tamara organizes a night out for the ladies, leading to some wild antics, including Emily urinating in the bushes. Katie stirs drama by claiming Heather and Terry paid paparazzi for Disneyland photos, showing a screenshot as evidence. Heather attributes a social media tagging mishap to her social media manager.

Shannon confides in Vicki about her staph infection and a legal letter from her ex, while Jenn and Ryan prepare for a Vegas trip, with Jenn feeling judged by others. Katie and Matt dine out, where Katie shares her feelings about Heather and discusses a golf event idea that Heather feels needs rebranding. Gina and Katie bond over personal matters, with Gina expressing her loneliness.

At a golf outing, tensions rise as Katie confronts Heather about alleged paparazzi calls and other incidents, leading to a heated exchange. Emily wins a pair of Prada sunglasses at the event, and Katie tries to lighten the mood with a hot dog cart for Heather.

Takeaways

• The Dubrow's are considering renting out their penthouse in LA
• Heather used Life360 to find her husband after his stroke
• Katie brings up a story about Heather asking her friend Cynthia about Katie
• Shannon is facing legal issues and discusses it with Vicki The hosts discuss the dynamics between the Real Housewives of Orange County cast members and express their opinions on the relationships and conflicts.
• They share their thoughts on the golf outing and comment on the skills of the participants.
• The hosts talk about the rumors surrounding the Real Housewives of New Jersey and speculate on the potential cast changes.
• They also discuss the controversy surrounding transgender athletes in the Olympics and share their views on the topic.

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:01.006)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. Today we're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 18, Episode Number 4.

Kelli (00:03.252)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:11.188)
Now we know that the DeBros have a house near

We Wine Whenever (00:14.506)
Well, they can see Drake's old house from their house in LA. Their penthouse. It's the penthouse. the house they're building. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (00:18.986)
No, the... Yeah, but... but... Yeah! They... Cause they put a thing up Drake's house, Debrow's house. It's so... It's just so,

We Wine Whenever (00:26.092)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:32.269)
It's very showy.

Kelli (00:33.414)
that's a great, great word for it, shall

We Wine Whenever (00:36.469)
Yeah, it is very showy. It definitely is. And Heather's talking about possibly renting out the penthouse because it's a very expensive closet, but she says she does get dressed there. She doesn't want to rent it out. And Terry says he has friends in the gym downstairs. They like having a penthouse in LA, so keep it. You have the money, keep

Kelli (00:57.076)
If you, exactly, you got it for a reason to flex, so keep

We Wine Whenever (01:00.041)
Right. Yeah. Yeah, I would keep it. Why not? And then she's talking to Terry about after he had his stroke, how she really kind of looks at life a little bit differently.

Kelli (01:13.088)
You know, I forgot about all that because that was not on camera, right? She talked about it at the reunion, but it wasn't on camera.

We Wine Whenever (01:19.036)
Yeah, and she barely talked about it at the reunion because it had just kind of really happened at that point. And like she said, she hadn't even really processed it yet. But I didn't realize that she used Life360 to find him, which good for her. I mean, we talk about how we use Life360 all the time. I mean, it's a great product. I mean, I use it for my mom who's in Florida. know, like it's a... I mean, someone needs to

Kelli (01:27.754)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:34.484)
Me neither. Yeah.

Kelli (01:44.074)
Yeah, I should really put my mom on

We Wine Whenever (01:48.607)
track of our elders, right? Like someone needs to know where they're at in case of an emergency.

Kelli (01:49.332)
I should put both of my parents on there actually. Yeah.

Yes, I I'm sure Mike has tracking on my mother in some capacity.

We Wine Whenever (01:59.9)
Hahaha!

Kelli (02:04.332)
But for me, maybe I'll just do it too. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:06.889)
There, there you go. Then Tamar plans the night out with Katie, Jen, Gina and Emily. And they're on the party bus and they go to pick up Katie and Emily's already drunk by the time they get to Katie's house.

Kelli (02:21.504)
Well, I would hope there was a reason she'd pee in her bush instead of going in her house.

We Wine Whenever (02:26.959)
I mean, she said she didn't want to go in and meet Matt, but I'm like, no, no, no. I mean, she was drunk. She was

Kelli (02:32.062)
Maybe that's why she didn't maybe she didn't want to be wasted the first time she met him, but that was hysterical. I mean, I haven't peed in a bush since we used to party in the woods when I was young, you know, I don't think. she because you do when you're drunk, you don't have the balance to keep yourself

We Wine Whenever (02:41.481)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. And she fell. And she fell.

Right, I know.

We Wine Whenever (02:53.756)
I know. It was funny though, I was laughing. So then they get out to the bar and Katie has this information that she shares with the girls about Heather. And I'm like, So they played it up as it was some big, you know, lie that Heather had told. And as soon as the ladies get up to go, you know, coyote ugly,

Kelli (02:56.266)
hysterical hysterical

We Wine Whenever (03:22.387)
Gina's like, I told you not to tell them. And she's like, yeah, I shouldn't have. Because she didn't even tell Emily. Like she didn't even tell her best friend. And there's a reason she didn't tell her best friend. Because she...

Kelli (03:32.51)
And this was a topic of discussion last season.

We Wine Whenever (03:37.457)
It was a topic of discussion last season. And does she think she's gonna come in this friend group with, and by the way, I think that her receipts were weak. They were weak. It was a screenshot of a text message that could have been from her mother. We don't know who it was from. We'll be.

Kelli (03:52.284)
I bel I do believe it. I believe that whoever she was texting with genuinely knew and I do think that Heather called the paparazzi. That picture is ridiculous of - I mean it really is like a prom picture for crying out loud. But I don't think it was a good move on Katie's part to do that.

We Wine Whenever (04:05.84)
Yeah, but still what I

We Wine Whenever (04:10.769)
It was not a good move, especially in front of Tamar of all people.

Kelli (04:14.496)
Well here's my thought so okay i understand i'm not inviting shannon because it was after the dui and it's not a good luck. Why wasn't heather there did they say why heather wasn't there maybe i just missed

We Wine Whenever (04:26.779)
They did not say why Heather wasn't there, but maybe Heather wasn't available. I don't know that they didn't invite Heather. They said that they didn't invite Shannon.

Kelli (04:34.046)
And why wasn't Alexis there, their new best friend?

We Wine Whenever (04:37.148)
Well, she's a friend of.

Kelli (04:39.122)
Right, but she's been filming and by the way, I enjoyed this this episode very much and I think it's because Alexis wasn't there. But it's just curious to me that Heather wasn't there and the two other people who are supposedly closest with them, right? Because Heather keeps saying how close she is with Alexis and we know she's close with Shannon, weren't there for them to have this conversation. It was very staged.

We Wine Whenever (05:01.189)
Yeah. Yeah. definitely was staged. It definitely was staged. And then Katie brings up again about the Heather tagging her in the birthday photo. I do really think it was an accident. mean, they keep saying it's an accident. Why would she tag her in the photo if she wasn't

Kelli (05:11.542)
That was weird.

Kelli (05:22.664)
I don't know, but how do you do that on accident when you're not even following the person?

We Wine Whenever (05:28.271)
Well, again, if you're not following the person, it's a little bit harder because you have to start typing out the name. I don't know.

Kelli (05:34.548)
Okay, so already we know that she was following her but saying she

We Wine Whenever (05:38.906)
Well, no, because she wasn't following her because she's well, because she said it was her social media person that did it. She said she had a social.

Kelli (05:41.42)
But then how do you tag somebody?

Kelli (05:46.944)
But the account had to be following Katie at that time. Whoever did

We Wine Whenever (05:51.629)
No it didn't. No it didn't. It doesn't have to be following.

Kelli (05:55.284)
I thought you had to follow somebody to tag

We Wine Whenever (06:01.176)
on Instagram.

Kelli (06:06.112)
I'm going to try. I'm going figure it out. I'm going to figure out who I'm not following on Instagram and I'm going to try to tag them. I'll do it tomorrow at the salon.

We Wine Whenever (06:12.559)
Okay, yeah, because she was saying that she was wearing Givenchy and her assistant was tagging Givenchy and she typed GI and then grabbed it. I don't know. mean, her last name is Gianella, right? Popped up so she tagged it by mistake. So then when she was made aware of it, she said, I'll untag you and I'll follow you. And she did that

Kelli (06:35.794)
She said, she said, let me follow you so I can untag you. She said something like that. So it doesn't, that's why it didn't make sense. She said, let me, let me, okay, let me follow you so then I can untag

We Wine Whenever (06:45.156)
Now that

We Wine Whenever (06:51.5)
I don't know. mean, it definitely was confusing, but I just don't know why she's coming in right off the bat going after Heather, especially if she's friends with Sutton and she's friends with Gina and she knows Gina is close with Heather. Like, why is she going for Heather? Does she think that this is going to, you know? And everyone told her, don't go after Heather.

Kelli (06:52.446)
It was confusing.

Kelli (07:14.25)
You know, I remember before the season started that there was something on social media where Gina and she were at a lunch and Gina, they were arguing. And I wonder if this is what it's about because the article read like Gina brings on a new friend and now they're at lunch arguing. So because Gina probably didn't know that this woman that she was going to do this, especially because she basically said, like you said, she said, why did you do that? And it wasn't where the camera like it was kind of like a hot mic moment almost.

We Wine Whenever (07:38.776)
Right.

Right. She waited for the other girls to walk away and she said, and she's like, yeah, I know I shouldn't have. No, you shouldn't have.

Kelli (07:45.024)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:49.424)
No, you shouldn't. And I don't like to I don't like to say that about anybody. Like I don't like to say like, don't you know, fuck with Heather or don't fuck with this one. But I don't know. I feel like if you're on O .C., you kind of do want Heather on your side. mean, she listen, I think she's very pretentious and I'm not a huge fan, but I don't think she's a bad housewife. I think she's a good housewife. So why do you want to why do you want to start problems with

We Wine Whenever (08:11.562)
Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. Exactly. That's what I don't understand. I just don't understand the intent.

Kelli (08:16.936)
Yeah. And Jen Pedranti and Gina did not look into the conversation at all when she was saying it. Like they were both like, you know, like they kind of had that we don't want anything to do with this look. Jen did too.

We Wine Whenever (08:26.347)
Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So then Jen and Tamara and Emily all get up on the bar and they're doing the coyote ugly thing. I mean, they were messy.

Kelli (08:39.104)
They made a mess of that bar. Very fun to watch, but if I worked there, I'd be like, you bitches.

We Wine Whenever (08:40.972)
They sure.

We Wine Whenever (08:46.796)
They were out of control. I mean, these are grown ass women.

Kelli (08:48.352)
They were out control.

with kids.

We Wine Whenever (08:54.985)
Yeah, I'm glad Gina didn't get up

Kelli (08:58.029)
no, she, I mean, she's sober. What the hell she gonna do? You know what I mean? She's probably got no interest in that at

We Wine Whenever (09:00.318)
I I know, I know, no. I think it's funny that Emily did and I'm sure Shane is, Shane was probably laughing like when he saw it, cause he knows who he married, he knows who she is.

Kelli (09:07.243)
Me too.

Kelli (09:12.5)
Yeah. Who was it? Jen, Jen, Tamara and Emily? I love Emily.

We Wine Whenever (09:15.489)
Yeah, the three of them. So Gina, okay, wait, then we see Shannon at home and Vicki comes to visit. That whole scene. I

Kelli (09:31.372)
Was Shannon's laptop stacked on plates? Did you notice

We Wine Whenever (09:35.751)
I didn't notice that. It could have been.

Kelli (09:37.758)
I was trying to figure out, I'm like, is this some new like laptop stand? Like it, and it very well could be, but it literally looked like the laptop was stacked on plates. So I don't know if it really was plates or if it's some like new, cool laptop stand. Yeah. It was interesting.

We Wine Whenever (09:45.032)
Okay, I didn't notice

We Wine Whenever (09:52.764)
laptops. I'm gonna have to look back at that scene and see it because I didn't notice that. So Vicky comes over and they're talking about the show. What are they gonna do about the Trace Amigos because Tamara didn't get back to them and she didn't tell them and now they're gonna just do Dose Amigos and they call that guy, I don't know what that guy's name was. yes, Paris. Yes, it was Paris. I guess he's like their manager or something and

Kelli (10:12.726)
Paris, wasn't his name Paris? No, no.

Kelli (10:18.964)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:22.431)
try and do their little song for him and they screwed up and they're like, okay, you guys, need to promote this. You too need to promote this. And then Shannon starts to tell Vicki about John Jansen suing her for $75 ,000. I mean, that's a lot of money. And like she said, he knows how much she provides for her girls, for their education and

Kelli (10:35.274)
What an asshole.

What a complete jerk.

Kelli (10:46.613)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (10:50.115)
Why? Like, why are you doing this? And it's going to cost her more in legal fees.

Kelli (10:54.131)
Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (10:56.478)
He is really, I don't like him. really don't. I mean, I never did like him, but I really don't like him

Kelli (11:01.416)
Nope. No, he's so bad. He's so bad. Did you hear Emily and Shane on Jeff Lewis?

We Wine Whenever (11:08.925)
Yes, I did.

Kelli (11:10.516)
And I think this is where she said it, but Emily's like, well, know, listen, wait a couple of years, Alexis, you'll see what a bad person he is. I think that's where she said it, right? She didn't say it on the show. She said it on Jeff Lewis.

We Wine Whenever (11:18.823)
Yes.

No, she said it on Jeff Lewis and she also clarified because I told you Jeff Lewis was questioning whether or not Travis had moved back in and Jeff Lewis asked her and she said, no, Travis is still, you know, living down the street. He's not living there. They're still together, which is good. I'm happy for them. I'm happy for them. And, you know, I wasn't taking notes when I was listening to Jeff Lewis, but I learned something else and now I can't remember what it was. Do you remember? Yeah.

Kelli (11:29.45)
Right.

Kelli (11:34.078)
Right. But they are together. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Kelli (11:48.086)
from Emily and Shane.

I yeah, hopefully it does because I need a room. mean, I listen to the whole thing. So if you say it, I'll remember. But and I just listened to it today. So it's fresh, fresh in my mind.

We Wine Whenever (11:52.527)
I don't know, maybe it'll come to

We Wine Whenever (11:58.096)
I did

We Wine Whenever (12:01.949)
Well, I listened to it a couple days ago. And then Jen and Ryan are at the house and they're packing for their trip to Vegas. And Jen's like, I guess I shouldn't post any pictures while I'm in Vegas. I think they were going to see Taylor Swift maybe. They were going to a concert. They were going to some kind of concert in Vegas.

Kelli (12:18.933)
Yeah.

Yeah, but listen, what is she worried about? It's not like she went on like a girls trip where it's on her to pay. She went with her boyfriend who she's living with and who just supposedly bailed her out of the car situation. So he's probably paying for the trip. Like, first of all, I think Emily's coming in too hard on Jen. The comments are harsh and I love Emily. She's probably my favorite. She is my favorite OC housewife, but which

We Wine Whenever (12:29.404)
All right.

We Wine Whenever (12:38.973)
I do. I do too.

Kelli (12:50.506)
The digs on Jen, it's a little too much. Like have a little empathy. And what do they care if her boyfriend wants to take her on vacation?

We Wine Whenever (12:56.422)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (13:00.304)
Right, exactly. Exactly. No, I agree. And even Ryan said, well, what do you care? They're going to judge you anyway. So if you want to post, you just post. And sure enough, they did judge her. Emily and Gina.

Kelli (13:07.51)
That's right. That's right. I'm... Yep. for sure. I'm starting to like Ryan, so I'm really hoping that all this legal stuff... I really hope he gets cleared of all of that. He's not giving me the douchebag vibes he gave me the first season that he was

We Wine Whenever (13:21.54)
Masha.

We Wine Whenever (13:27.427)
No, he does seem a little bit better, but I don't know. It may just be he's a better actor now. Now he knows what to do, you know?

Kelli (13:32.438)
That's true. I'm a sucker. I can be a sucker.

We Wine Whenever (13:36.083)
then Katie goes over to Gina's house and she's there by herself because she had a zoom meeting in the morning and the kids are over at Travis's house. So that way she can have quiet. And in her confessional, she says how she really misses Matt and now she feels lonely. you know, yeah. yeah. my God. Matt is her ex. That's right. I don't know. And I look at, I did write Matt too. was whatever. It's confusing. Katie's Matt.

Kelli (13:52.374)
Travis, not Matt, that's our ex.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (14:04.756)
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (14:05.754)
So, Katie brought over clothes from her friend's company. I thought that was a little weird. Like, we don't even know what her friend's company is for the golf outing. And she's like, you can wear them if you want, but you don't have to wear them. But we don't know the name of it, do we? Because I didn't catch it.

Kelli (14:16.116)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:19.862)
So she's just promoting her friend's company.

It was on the dress that Gina was like, that's cute. I'll wear that. It was on the front of the dress, but I can't remember what it was.

We Wine Whenever (14:32.174)
I know I couldn't read it. mean, I don't know what it was either. And let's just talk about that dress that she showed up with the platform Mary Jane's, Gina, and those little socks. mean, I don't know what she was thinking with

Kelli (14:46.26)
It's always hit or miss with Gina. she hits the hair and the makeup and then she misses the shoes. It's like, come on, man. I was not a huge fan of those shoes. I mean, they're very like 90s. what's that movie? I love that movie with Alicia Silverstone.

We Wine Whenever (14:53.289)
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (14:59.658)
No.

We Wine Whenever (15:07.49)
Clueless.

Kelli (15:08.374)
Clueless one of my favorite movies. They were very clueless But I don't know not for a golf outing. They looked extremely uncomfortable,

We Wine Whenever (15:11.97)
They were, not for a golf outing.

They did, they did. So then Gina tells Katie that, listen, what you did to Heather really isn't cool and I think you need to tell her because if you don't tell her, I'm going to tell her. Right, right, which I'm, no, Gina was gonna tell her. I think Gina had all intentions of telling her. I mean, so.

Kelli (15:30.634)
or somebody else like Tamara. That's probably what Gina meant.

Kelli (15:39.082)
Yeah, well, she had to light a fire under her ass because it was going to

We Wine Whenever (15:44.684)
Then she goes on, which I think is another odd thing. Katie goes on and brings up the story about her friend Cynthia, which we see the picture. It's Cynthia Bailey. And she's out with her friend Cynthia Bailey, who happened to be celebrating a birthday with Heather and Crystal Minkoff. Did you see that picture? Katie wasn't there, but

Kelli (15:53.461)
Mm -hmm

Kelli (16:04.35)
Yeah, was Katie wasn't there though that right that's when she said Heather be lined it to Cynthia to get dirt on her or ask her about her not get dirt on her. I'm

We Wine Whenever (16:12.617)
Yes. Right, to ask about her.

Kelli (16:18.966)
But why is she making it like that's a bad thing? If Heather's on a show and she just found out that her friend's friend's gonna be on the show, of course you're gonna ask your friend what's, you know, what's she like? There's nothing wrong with this. Like now you're just making stuff

We Wine Whenever (16:36.34)
No.

Yeah, you're trying to, like, I feel like she's pushing a problem. She's trying to, like, stir the pot for no reason.

Kelli (16:44.746)
Like push a narrative that Heather's an asshole. Which, listen, I could buy into.

We Wine Whenever (16:51.252)
I know you're not a Heather fan, but you know what this is giving me vibes of on Beverly Hills when the girl came after Crystal and Sutton. What was her name? She was on one season, last season. Anna Maria. Like this is giving me Anna Maria vibes. you girl, like why are you doing this? Like why, like don't do this, you

Kelli (17:03.235)
god, Anna Maria. I think you're absolutely right.

I totally agree with you.

Yeah, Katie, you could be a one and done like Anna Maria. Ann Marie, whatever the hell her name was.

We Wine Whenever (17:16.958)
Yep. Yeah, I don't know what her name was. I think it was spelled to Anna Maria, but it was actually pronounced Ann Marie or something like

Kelli (17:24.516)
I think she clarified that on the reunion, Yeah, you're absolutely right though, that is the vibe she's giving.

We Wine Whenever (17:26.195)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:31.113)
Yeah, and I was not there for that. Then what happens? So, yep, yep. But before

Kelli (17:34.279)
No, no.

Kelli (17:39.636)
Well, we're at the golf and Emily wins. She couldn't give those sunglasses to Gina?

We Wine Whenever (17:46.462)
I

Kelli (17:48.086)
Give the sunglasses to Gina! You can go buy yourself a million Gucci sunglasses!

We Wine Whenever (17:52.317)
Yeah. Yeah.

but before that happens, Emily goes over to Tamar's house and Tamar's showing her her little casita in the back because her mom had just moved out. And they're talking about how Gina made a big deal about them being friends, about Emily and Tamar being friends, that she was upset that Emily was close to Tamar now because she felt like she was losing her friend and Emily.

Kelli (18:00.617)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (18:20.522)
We didn't see any of this, right? They're just saying

We Wine Whenever (18:23.604)
We they did flashback to like a scene where she said you guys are like besties now or something like that She made one comment about it that they flashed back

Kelli (18:33.418)
I think Emily should be real careful with Tamara because we saw what she did to Gretchen.

We Wine Whenever (18:38.214)
Yeah, and Emily's smart. think she'll figure it

Kelli (18:40.616)
She is, but Tamara wasn't nice to her when she first came on the show. And now they're besties and we know what she did to Gretchen. I'd be real careful if I were Emily.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.303)
No. No. Right. Right. Exactly. So I would too. I would too. And then after that, then we go to the golf outing and you know, Matt is there, Katie's husband again, and they have all these other guys there to help them and show them how to putt, I guess, because they were only putting. Yeah. I mean, none of them could really even do it.

Kelli (19:04.864)
Yeah, they were only putting.

We Wine Whenever (19:11.761)
Except for Emily. I mean, Emily, I don't know.

Kelli (19:14.93)
I know she could. It was funny to see that Katie was so bad though. Like, and this is the industry she's in. would think, I guess like, listen, I think I could putt better than that. And I took lessons when my kids were little, Patty and I went and took lessons. I haven't golfed since we go to miniature golf, but

We Wine Whenever (19:21.787)
I know, cause... I know.

Kelli (19:37.418)
It's just funny. Like, I guess if you don't have it, you don't have it, but you're in the industry. You haven't like take, I would take lessons if that's my industry. take lessons.

We Wine Whenever (19:45.979)
Yeah, I don't know. It's funny because we've been watching a lot of golf lately because there's been a lot of golf on in my house and William's very into golfing. I said, I think I would like to golf. And the kids looked at me like, what? I'm like, yeah, think I like it. They're like, no, mom. I'm like, know what, you're right. I do have an eye hand coordination issue. I probably would suck at it. I I'm not even good at miniature

Kelli (19:47.786)
Or maybe she has and she just can't get

Kelli (19:56.832)
Yeah, my DVR is filled with

Kelli (20:14.517)
I, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:15.579)
Like my distance, my eye, my distance, like, I don't know. I just don't see things the way, I don't know.

Kelli (20:22.86)
The way they told me like that first swing when you're trying to get on the green, like I it's very awkward to me. Like they're they're like just pretend like you're sitting but you're not on a chair. And then you have to literally twist your body like backwards. Like it's amazing to me that Eric can do it with his hip. You literally have to like do like a 180 with your body. Actually like a 360 because you start

We Wine Whenever (20:27.421)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (20:41.608)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (20:50.737)
That's totally, yeah. Wow.

Kelli (20:51.98)
Yeah, it's a 360. It's not easy. That first swing is not easy. After that, it gets a little bit easier,

We Wine Whenever (20:58.637)
you know, we were

That's what we were watching. were watching, did you see President Donald Trump was golfing with the guy who won the Masters or the US Open? my God, that was on YouTube. It was a YouTube special. I don't know the guy's name. Yes, I do. Hold on. It'll come to me. Bryson, Bryson, Bryson, Bryson. Yeah, he's young. He's young. was very entertaining to watch, but for an old man, Trump is

Kelli (21:10.923)
No.

Kelli (21:22.708)
Okay, I know he's young, right? Yeah, yeah,

We Wine Whenever (21:31.514)
good golfer. I could not believe how well he was swinging that. Like, he really hit it. I was like, wow.

Kelli (21:32.78)
Absolutely.

Kelli (21:38.09)
Yeah, I just can't not think of that TikTok with those two brothers reenacting the debate when they were talking about golf. That is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. my God.

We Wine Whenever (21:45.424)
I know it was funny. They're like children. They're like children up there.

Kelli (21:52.724)
And the one brother, the one who's doing Trump just got his mannerisms, his, his hand act, whether honestly, whether you like Trump or not, you should watch that because he just nails

We Wine Whenever (21:57.674)
Hahaha.

We Wine Whenever (22:05.047)
It's just funny. Listen, you know what? We can't laugh at it. you know, we have to laugh. It's funny. So then what happens? So they're there. They get the hot dog cart for Heather because Katie says to, know you love hot dogs. And you know, we've got this hot dog cart there for you. And then Tamra, of course we see Tamra tell Heather what Katie had said. And she goes right over to her as we knew she would.

Kelli (22:08.328)
Exactly. Absolutely.

Kelli (22:34.698)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (22:35.515)
And you know, Katie said, I know you lied. I mean, she said those words, I know you lied. And Heather's like, well, stop saying that. I swear on my children. Now that's when I was kind of like, she sweared on her children. Well, that's Teresa though. I don't know. I don't know. I don't like when people swear on their children. I would like.

Kelli (22:49.76)
They do that all the time. How many times has Theresa done that?

I know, but come on. I don't like it either and I never would. mean, unless I was 100 % telling the truth. But I don't think, I don't think, I believe that Heather called the paparazzi that

We Wine Whenever (23:05.239)
I don't

We Wine Whenever (23:09.39)
Honestly, who even cares? Like, this is my point, like, who cares? How is this what we're talking about? An entire episode that was built up to be this whole big thing, she's taking down Heather. You're not taking down Heather Dubrow with a paparazzi. No! No, I don't like it, I did not like it.

Kelli (23:11.22)
Exactly.

Kelli (23:22.14)
No, not over that. Not over that.

Kelli (23:30.414)
and by the way, Tamara said to Heather that Katie said you call the paparazzi all the time. Katie didn't say that. She said she called for the Disneyland. Did she say she calls the paparazzi all the time? okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:45.577)
She said, she didn't, she said she asked about the Disneyland and that person that confirmed it also had said to her, yeah, she calls the paparazzi all the

Kelli (23:57.18)
Okay. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:59.582)
She did say that. And then Heather was on Watch What Happens Live with Zach Guilford. And the New York hot dog king was behind the bar, was the bartender.

Kelli (24:10.188)
That's right, that's right.

We Wine Whenever (24:12.64)
I thought it was interesting that Andy asked Heather if she enjoyed living in Beverly Hills. And she said she likes catching up with her old friends. And then he asked her if she'd ever considering joining the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And her response was, well, I think that would be up to you, Andy. And he goes, well, he's like, well, that would be a discussion. Well, then why did you ask the question? Like, did you not know that that's what was going to come?

Kelli (24:20.745)
Yes.

Kelli (24:32.19)
Yeah, so obviously she wants

Kelli (24:39.283)
Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (24:43.325)
And speaking of that, I had posted the other day that on Bravo Andy, I had a caller on the line and he said to the caller that we are rebooting New Jersey. New Jersey is going to be a reboot. And I reposted that on our, I think Instagram. But then he came out and clarified that that's not what he meant. He was just like done with this lady. She was annoying him. Yeah, and she was annoying. I mean, she was annoying. I get

Kelli (25:05.44)
He's... She was annoying.

Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (25:11.561)
So he just needs to be careful when he drops these, you

Kelli (25:15.136)
He did say some new faces though. He didn't say all new faces. He said some new faces. Yes,

We Wine Whenever (25:20.437)
But when you say the word reboot, when you say the word reboot, that means a reboot. Like, that's what people think. Right.

Kelli (25:25.896)
Yeah, because people think of New York, which was a complete

We Wine Whenever (25:31.08)
Right. It's hard to say the word reboot now and people not think everyone's getting the axe.

Kelli (25:37.386)
Yeah, they just need to bring Melissa, Danielle and Rachel back and then we'll figure out the rest.

We Wine Whenever (25:44.138)
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I don't know what's gonna happen. I mean, I know Theresa and Louis are in Greece right now.

Kelli (25:49.676)
I don't know what's gonna happen either. Did you see Jennifer? my God, you must have seen it. First of all, there was no filter on her and girl, I mean, there's no filter on me either. And I got no makeup on cause I worked from home today and I don't do makeup on work from home days. But girl turn the filter on. But she was on TikTok and she was like, people keep asking me what would I do if the show ended? Did you hear this?

I guess I'll just go count my Ferraris and all my bathrooms.

We Wine Whenever (26:19.313)
Yeah. And keep living my fabulous life.

Kelli (26:23.382)
People are struggling to put food on their table. You have no self -awareness. No self -awareness.

We Wine Whenever (26:30.93)
This is how she was. This is how she's always been. This is how she started out when she was talking about all of her bathrooms and the biggest house in Paramus and ba ba ba.

Kelli (26:34.163)
Absolutely.

Absolutely. And sorry, bitch, I'd rather have a loyal husband and a small home than your house and somebody who is so done with me. So done with me. And then Teresa, they're talking to Teresa. And did you hear what she said? We'll see what Bravo has. What she say? We'll see what Bravo has in store for me or what plans Bravo has for

Something like

We Wine Whenever (27:07.886)
Well, there's rumors that she may be moving to California. I don't know. Let her go. Go to California.

Kelli (27:14.113)
Imagine if she goes to OC? I heard that she might go to Miami. I don't know where I heard that but I heard listen just get her off Jersey.

We Wine Whenever (27:23.836)
That'd be fine. You know what, that'd be fine. Then I'll stop watching Miami. Because I can't stand Alexia anyway. So I can't imagine having Teresa and Alexia there together. No. No, thank you. No, no, no. Couldn't not do

Kelli (27:29.641)
Exactly.

Exactly.

Yep, I totally agree with you 100%. Listen, just get her off Jersey. You can put her anywhere because Jersey is my favorite and I just want to be able to watch it without

We Wine Whenever (27:44.859)
Yeah. No.

Kelli (27:46.526)
And I've been watching the reruns this week, like when I can. And I was watching one and at, I think it was at the reunion because Andy says it, it must be when Louie first came on and Andy says to her, know, Kim D has been in the news a lot talking about Louie. And, and they show, and this is way before she started blaming Margaret for anything. They show that headlines, Kim D is saying all this stuff about

We Wine Whenever (27:49.888)
huh.

Kelli (28:15.008)
So I think it was Gabriella and Chrissy Balls were saying that Kim D was the first one to start and she was, she was. And it was right there on the show. And now there'll be FFs

We Wine Whenever (28:21.54)
Yeah, of course she was.

We Wine Whenever (28:30.97)
I mean, talk about flip -flopping.

Kelli (28:33.93)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, who's ever going to push our agenda?

We Wine Whenever (28:36.666)
You know what's interesting? Jacqueline Lareda's daughter Ashley likes Melissa Gorga.

Kelli (28:45.076)
Yeah, well, she just did Rachel's makeup for something I saw. Because I follow, yeah, follow Ashley Holmes on Instagram. I have for a very long time since she's been a makeup artist. Like, so that's years now I started following her because I love the makeup. yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a makeup artist. She was at, I want to say like a Nordstrom up there for a while or something. But I think maybe now she does it on her own. I don't know, but she's very talented. She's very good at

We Wine Whenever (28:47.737)
she did?

We Wine Whenever (29:00.006)
I didn't know she was a makeup artist. I did not know that.

Kelli (29:14.208)
and she just did Rachel's makeup for something. Yeah. Yeah, I think she's probably still, I

We Wine Whenever (29:17.254)
Okay, good, good. Good

Kelli (29:24.788)
I know, listen, we just saw Joe Gorga give Vito Scalia's father a big hug last week. You know, that was nice to see because it's not like he, I mean, I'm sure the Scalia's and the Manzos are on good terms. As a matter of fact, I smoked a cigarette with Vito's father outside the bar that night and I did ask if Albie and Vito were still friends. And he said, you know, they stay in touch, you know, not as close as they used to be, but they stay in touch. And he said, listen,

We Wine Whenever (29:31.395)
Yeah, definitely.

We Wine Whenever (29:51.46)
Well that's good.

Kelli (29:52.372)
And he said, we love the Manzos. They're very good to my granddaughter and we have a very good relationship with them. Yeah, so I think all of them, know, listen, we're from Jersey. We get it. Like my best friend's not gonna love somebody, but if their family and I grew up with them, you know, it's just, that's just the way it is, you know. You're gonna defend your family for sure, but you don't have to have like,

We Wine Whenever (29:58.212)
Well, that's good.

We Wine Whenever (30:13.612)
Right. Yeah, that's exactly, that's the way it is.

Kelli (30:21.452)
relationship ending beef with somebody just because of. Yeah. 100%. 100%. Yeah. Or her daughters, obviously.

We Wine Whenever (30:25.676)
Right. Unless you're Teresa.

I mean, with that exception.

Yeah, I've also seen some clips of them shooting, making it in Manhattan. It's definitely happening. I'm gonna watch it. I know you said you're not. Gia's on it. I think Gia's on it, yeah. I think that's why she's not going back to law school.

Kelli (30:44.608)
and she's on it and G is on

I can't watch it if G is on

If G is not on

Kelli (30:56.864)
Big mistake, honey, big mistake.

We Wine Whenever (30:59.872)
I think so. mean, I think she's on

Kelli (31:03.434)
I don't think I can watch it if G is on it. I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.7)
She got so much flack for her Amazon Live where she was talking about how her college experience was. And she was saying that, you know, at first, you know, nobody really knew who she was. And, know, when she was there her first year or so, and then people would recognize her and ask her for her autograph. And she got so much hate for that because she's a celebrity.

Kelli (31:26.976)
Why would they ask her for her autograph?

Kelli (31:36.288)
You don't hear Antonia Gorgia talking like that, you? At Udell. Because she's normal.

We Wine Whenever (31:39.17)
No, you don't. No, you do not. Mm -mm. Yeah.

Kelli (31:47.76)
Ay yi yi. I mean, I get it. She grew up on the show, but I don't know if people are really asking for your autograph.

We Wine Whenever (31:52.438)
she definitely grew up on the show. I mean, we've known her since...

I mean, not college kids, I

Kelli (32:00.064)
What do they care? They're your age.

We Wine Whenever (32:04.417)
I don't know either. I can just tell you this. My kids would be like, they would pretend they didn't even know me. You know what I'm saying? Like they wouldn't, like I don't really believe that these college kids are like, yeah, we watch your mom. Like we know you, like we've seen, you know what I mean? They're just not watching. Right, exactly, exactly.

Kelli (32:23.028)
Right. Right. Even if they did, I can't see them saying

We Wine Whenever (32:31.571)
All right. I guess until next time, which is going to be our New Jersey recap. We are so looking forward to that. This is like our Olympics.

Kelli (32:32.113)
I know Tassie Poo

Kelli (32:39.124)
so much preparation for that. Exactly. I will not watch the Olympics

We Wine Whenever (32:48.358)
Why? What happened? yeah. that's, yeah, that's ridiculous. Well, you can't stop watching all the Olympics because of that. heard Andrew told me that Logan Paul reached out to that Italian boxer and said that he'll set up a match. And Andrew said he pays all of his fighters more than he pays himself. So she'll be fine. So that's good.

Kelli (32:50.72)
with a female boxer who was supposed to fight a man? Or... disgusting. Sorry.

Kelli (33:14.922)
Right, right, and he's gonna find a female boxer for her to fight. There's two male boxers fighting in the female Olympics. There's two. That's what I heard.

We Wine Whenever (33:18.097)
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

We Wine Whenever (33:29.917)
Now, they male or are transgender? Because I heard the Olympics are saying it's not a trans issue. It is a trans issue if...

Kelli (33:37.214)
If he's biologically a man, it's a trans issue.

We Wine Whenever (33:40.125)
Right, right. And they said that his testosterone level was high. So if it's a female and their testosterone level is high, then I don't

Kelli (33:52.822)
That means she's taking supplements, which is illegal. So a female, a female Olympian cannot take testosterone to enhance their physicality because it's illegal, but they can fight a man who has natural testosterone. Please people make it make sense for crying out loud. They can't do anything. Remember what, what's his face was doing with the, with the doping.

We Wine Whenever (33:54.941)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:11.135)
And male athletes can't take testosterone either. Right, right,

We Wine Whenever (34:22.535)
yeah, yeah. Yep.

Kelli (34:22.92)
Lance Armstrong. Didn't they take his championship away from

We Wine Whenever (34:26.811)
Yes, they shared all of

Yeah, all of them. Yeah, no, you can't do

We Wine Whenever (34:36.207)
I watch Simone Biles. I enjoy watching gymnastics.

Kelli (34:39.092)
That I would like to watch. I know Eric's watching the track. And like I said, I'll watch the basketball just because I like to play, know, I want watch the players. And I like watching the NBA players play for their own countries.

We Wine Whenever (34:46.683)
Yeah.

Yes, I like that too. I like that too.

Kelli (34:52.468)
Yeah, but other than that, now I'm just not into it at all. Just, you know, now I want to boycott

We Wine Whenever (35:00.613)
Okay, well that's not going to solve anything.

Kelli (35:02.752)
I

Kelli (35:06.376)
I have a lot of effect on people. I have a lot of influence.

We Wine Whenever (35:08.125)
Okay, all right. All right, until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. Bye.

Kelli (35:13.205)
So I think.

Kelli (35:18.567)
I'm Kelly. Bye.