RHOC Season 18, Episode 5-Paparazzi, Facelifts, and Feuds-

RHOC Season 18, Episode 5

In this episode, the drama intensifies among the women as they navigate friendships, secrets, and conflicts. Shannon and Katie bond over Valentine’s Day flowers, discussing the recent golf outing and their relief that Alexis wasn’t there. Emily, celebrating her 15th anniversary, reveals that she didn’t care much for the sunglasses she won, and may gift them to Jenn. Heather confronts Gina for allowing Katie to discuss paparazzi pictures with the group. Meanwhile, Gina apologizes to Heather during a Galentine’s Day event at Heather’s, where they discuss the fallout from the paparazzi situation.

Katie feels betrayed by Gina for not supporting her more during the golf event, while Shannon confides in her dad about a lawsuit, receiving his encouragement to fight back. The episode also explores Shannon’s DUI and her past relationship with JJ, which was filled with drinking and misery.

Tamara stirs the pot by badmouthing Shannon, claiming she needs rehab, and accusing her of blaming JJ for her drinking. Later, at a dinner party hosted by Gina, tensions rise as Tamara continues to antagonize Shannon, calling her an alcoholic and accusing her of lying about money owed to JJ. Shannon eventually storms out, defended by Vicki, who tries to mediate the situation.

The episode ends with a confrontation between Tamara, Vicki, and the others, where Vicki appeals for kindness and understanding, citing their shared faith. The tension remains high, with accusations, receipts, and unresolved conflicts dominating the scene.

Takeaways

• The tension between the housewives continues to escalate, with conflicts arising from various situations.
• The cast members' behavior and actions are analyzed and critiqued by Wendy and Kelli.
• The episode highlights the importance of communication and honesty among the housewives.
• The dynamics between the housewives and their relationships are explored in-depth. Viewers play a role in perpetuating negative behavior on reality TV shows by continuing to watch and support cast members who engage in mean-spirited behavior.
• Positive and fun interactions between cast members are important for a more enjoyable viewing experience.
• Accountability is necessary in reality TV, and cast members should be held responsible for their actions.
• Legal issues involving cast members can have a significant impact on the show and its dynamics.
• The hosts have differing opinions on certain cast members and their actions.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:01.454)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. Today we're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 18, episode number five. And we start out at the Balboa Club with Heather and Terry. And they're talking about the paparazzi thing. And Terry says he likes when paparazzi takes his pictures. And Heather's like, I know. He says, if Katie has a number, maybe you can get it for me so I can call them so they can take my picture.

Kelli (00:03.819)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:31.194)
I think he just proved even more right in that statement that they did call the paparazzi that day. And quite honestly, I know he had a stroke, I don't want to, I'm not trying to be rude in any way, but he does not look good. He has to stop with the plastic surgery on his face.

We Wine Whenever (00:48.855)
Well, he was talking about some kind of cardiac medicine. Yeah, he said when, who got there first? Gina, when Gina got there, she asked how he was doing and he said he just finished up his one cardiac medicine. maybe it's, yeah.

Kelli (00:52.578)
And maybe that's why he looks puffy, because he's too it's too much.

Kelli (01:04.516)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (01:13.218)
Maybe it'll start coming down a little bit. I don't know. I feel bad even saying that, but I just feel like he's going a little bit too far for with it.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.378)
Yeah, I mean, I like them. He's always been the one. I've always liked them as a couple and he's always been the one who'd wanted to be on camera. He wanted to be on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills or Orange. I think he wanted to be on Beverly Hills.

Kelli (01:26.029)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:29.964)
Yes.

Kelli (01:38.272)
He I mean he probably did because he's rolling with Nassif but

We Wine Whenever (01:42.548)
Right, and they have their own show that they still have, right? They still have that show. Yeah, so he likes the camera. Then Shannon goes over to Katie's house and I thought it was nice. Katie gives her Valentine's Day flowers, because it's Valentine's Day. Yeah. And they're talking about the golf outing and how they were, you know, glad that Alexis wasn't there. Then.

Kelli (01:45.846)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, as far as I know, I don't, I don't really watch it. Yeah.

Kelli (01:58.958)
That was cute. Yeah.

Kelli (02:09.433)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:10.237)
We see Emily's 15th anniversary is actually Valentine's Day and she meets up with Tamara and they're talking about the golf outing as well. And Jen going to Vegas and Emily says the sunglasses that she won are not really her style and maybe she'll give them to Jen. And we said last week, why don't you give them to Gina? Cause Gina really wanted them.

Kelli (02:27.416)
Yeah, Gina did want them. Give them to your friend.

We Wine Whenever (02:30.792)
Yeah, when she said that I'm like, wait a second, weren't you there?

Kelli (02:33.292)
No, she said she was going to give them to Jen because then it gave her and Tamra the opportunity to get put digs out on Jen. Like, well, she could really use them, you know, because she's broke. She ain't got no money. Like they're kind of Jennifer Aidening it, you know. It's not a good look. And I expect it from Tamra, but I really like Emily. Emily is like one of my top three housewives. I really like her, but I don't know, girl.

We Wine Whenever (02:39.72)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:46.078)
Yeah, I'm not honestly, it's not a good look.

We Wine Whenever (03:01.63)
Yeah, I agree. I don't like when Emily goes low like that because she doesn't need to. I mean, it's one thing when she gives her quick snappy comebacks in the confessional, like that I like, but to go down to Tamra's level, so she doesn't need to do that. She doesn't need to do that. Then we see Heather tells Terry that she didn't like that she didn't let Katie tell all the girls about the paparazzi.

Kelli (03:06.571)
No, she doesn't need to.

Kelli (03:12.13)
Yes. Yes.

Mm -mm. No, she doesn't. No.

We Wine Whenever (03:27.855)
and then Gina and Jen come over to Heather's because they're doing their own Galentine's Day. And they're doing face masks and Gina apologizes about the Katie stuff.

Kelli (03:30.862)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (03:38.276)
Their iPads kept falling down. Did you notice that? I'm like in my head, I'm like, push it up, push it up. It's like not even on your eyes right now. Look, I need one on mine right now.

We Wine Whenever (03:40.603)
I did notice that, yeah. I've actually never... I've actually never done those iPad things. Have you ever done that?

Kelli (03:51.255)
all the time. Look at, I have to, I got the Vivala bags. Cousin Gina will know exactly what I'm talking about. It's hereditary, I'm my mother's family. All the women get bags under their eyes. For some reason, this one is more pronounced, but trust me, I got one on this side too. Yes, I do those eyes, or iPads all the time.

We Wine Whenever (03:53.98)
We Wine Whenever (03:58.664)
the

We Wine Whenever (04:08.712)
I feel like.

I don't think I have bags, do I? Okay, thanks. All right, if you think I need them, let me know, because I may have overlooked that at some point.

Kelli (04:13.27)
I don't think you need them at all. No. You paint in the ass. You don't need that and you don't color your hair and it's a bunch of bullshit.

Kelli (04:23.904)
No, you don't and look I did my I did my roots three weeks ago and they're coming in already

We Wine Whenever (04:28.835)
I can't see them.

Kelli (04:32.054)
Alright, I'll stop complaining.

We Wine Whenever (04:34.376)
So then Heather says, Gina, would have thought you would have told them to stop, stop talking about it. And listen, Gina did. She did tell her to stop talking about it.

Kelli (04:42.072)
She did.

Well, hopefully when Heather watches this back prior to the reunion, she'll see that not only did Heather not engage, not only did Gina not engage, but you hear a hot mic moment where she actually says to Katie, I told you not to say anything.

We Wine Whenever (05:00.784)
Right. Right.

Kelli (05:02.626)
So that was not on camera, but a hot mic moment. So hopefully Heather will see that.

We Wine Whenever (05:08.423)
But she also says it to her on camera because then she goes over, we're going to get there. She goes over there. We'll get there. She says it right to her face.

Kelli (05:14.668)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like it means more when it's not on camera. To these women. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:20.857)
Yeah, that's true, that's Katie shows her text to Shannon, because now Katie and Shannon are together, because she gave her the flower. She shows Shannon the text that she got from her friend who's in charge of the paparazzi.

Katie thinks that Gina hung her out to dry. This is what I think is interesting. When she's talking to Shannon, I get the impression, and I think I see it in the upcoming clips, that she's saying, Katie is saying that Gina told her to put this out there. And that is not true.

Kelli (05:54.914)
So I, well, it's not true, but, but here my perspective, cause I was thinking about this too, because I thought the same thing. I think Gina told her, do not bring this up on camera. Do not make this part of the show. And then when she did at that night out at the dive bar, then when Katie brings the clothes over to Gina's, Gina does say to her, either you tell Heather you did this or I'm going to tell her.

We Wine Whenever (06:24.355)
Right.

Kelli (06:24.886)
I think that's what Katie's talking about when she says, Gina told me to tell Heather or Gina told me to say it, that I did it or whatever. I think that's what she's talking. I could be wrong, but that's the conclusion I came to. That must be what she's talking about because clearly Gina told her not to do it, not to say it. It's clear.

We Wine Whenever (06:35.237)
We Wine Whenever (06:46.189)
Right. don't, if that's the case, then I stand corrected, but I don't get that impression based on the

Kelli (06:51.97)
Yeah, see, I was just trying to work it out in my head. Like, maybe this is what she's talking about. Because I agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (06:57.304)
Because I even, yeah, I even think Tamara says something that we're gonna see next week about it. That Tamara says that Gina told Katie to say it. Which again, she is so messy. She really is. I know, I know. Heather asked Gina when she found out about the paparazzi and she said before Christmas. Heather said, you should have told me. Gina said, I know, I effed up. You know, I just wanted it to go away, I'm sorry.

Kelli (07:09.338)
The is so messy, I can't. I have no use for her.

We Wine Whenever (07:26.692)
That's 100 % genuine. She did find out about it. She didn't tell Heather about it because she told Katie not to say anything and she thought that that was gonna be it. But then all of a sudden that wasn't it.

Kelli (07:28.387)
Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (07:40.068)
Did you see Emily on Munch What Happens Live? So Emily basically said, I see both sides. I see Heather wanting Gina to tell her as her friend, but we're also filming a show. So Gina did allude to the fact that maybe Gina held onto that information because it would come out on the show and be part of the storyline. That's how I took that.

We Wine Whenever (07:42.231)
Yes, I did.

We Wine Whenever (08:01.987)
I don't think Gina rolls that way. I really don't. I really don't think that that's how Gina rolls. I think that that's how Heather would roll. I think that's definitely how Tamar rolls. I don't think that that's who Gina is. I don't. I don't think that's who she is. Jen asks, where do we go from here?

Kelli (08:04.822)
I don't think so either. That's why I was kind of surprised that her BFF said that.

Kelli (08:16.58)
course.

Kelli (08:20.332)
No, I agree. Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:31.04)
Heather and Gina when they're sitting there, she's like, where do we go for here? Jen said, I liked her and Heather's like, well, I'm not telling you that you can't like her. You need to make your own decisions, but just know that this speaks to her character, meaning Katie. It absolutely does. Yeah, she definitely screwed up and I was listening to broad bros and I have not listened to them in a long time because I just don't really like them anymore, but I will say.

Kelli (08:44.62)
And it does. I think she screwed up here.

Kelli (08:56.887)
Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (08:58.028)
They were talking about OC and they said that Katie was acting like Anne -Marie from Beverly Hills. I was like, I said the same thing, but I said it before them. So there you go, bra bros. Then Emily and Shane go out to dinner for their anniversary and I do too. I do too.

Kelli (09:04.738)
Yeah, you did say the same thing. Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

Kelli (09:16.45)
I love these two. I just love them. Like I want, I want to go to dinner with Emily and Shane. Yeah. So much fun. And she gets another ring. She just got a new ring a couple of years ago when they renewed their vows.

We Wine Whenever (09:21.525)
Yeah, I do too. It would be fun.

We Wine Whenever (09:26.835)
I know that's gorgeous. Emily says.

We Wine Whenever (09:32.307)
I know. Emily says to Shane that, you know, she doesn't see him really putting in the effort about living the healthy lifestyle. And then she starts asking him some questions because she looked up like questions to ask on your 15th wedding anniversary. And she said, do I have any silly or odd quirks about me? He's like, yes, you leave your eyelashes all over the house. Right.

Kelli (09:55.002)
Like when he said, sometimes they're on the back of your shirt. It's like we're living amongst caterpillars.

We Wine Whenever (10:02.08)
Then he gave her that beautiful upgraded engagement ring. It was gorgeous. It was really gorgeous. Then Emily gives him the boudoir picture. And as we found out,

Kelli (10:10.338)
I'll say it was an upgrade.

Yeah.

Kelli (10:18.99)
think she should have given him the one where she was like slapping her, you know? Yeah. But that one was nice.

We Wine Whenever (10:22.464)
slapping her. Yeah, I do too. I do too. And we, yeah, she, we find out it's still in her closet. So yeah, so he's going to have to go to her closet if he wants to see it.

Kelli (10:30.668)
Yes, yes. I'm watching what happens live,

Kelli (10:36.89)
Maybe, I mean, I guess that's not the type of thing that you can really hang in your office. And when you have little kids, like, where do you hang that? Where do you hang that?

We Wine Whenever (10:42.865)
No.

We Wine Whenever (10:48.841)
That's a good question. I don't know where you hang it.

Kelli (10:50.286)
Right? Like unless you have like a big closet to yourself, which I would imagine he does, but...

We Wine Whenever (10:58.301)
Yeah, it's true. I don't know. Then we see Shannon. wait a second. Nope, before that, Katie and Gina meet up and they talk about Travis and what's going on with them. Katie says she felt abandoned by her at the golf event when Heather was going off on her. And she said she didn't think she supported her with Heather. But really she didn't get involved in it at the golf event because she had already told her.

Kelli (11:00.751)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:25.128)
prior to the golf event, you need to let Heather know what's going on before anybody else does. And she didn't do it in time because Tamara did it.

Kelli (11:32.63)
Right. And I feel like Gina's being very clear that she told Katie not to bring it up.

We Wine Whenever (11:39.707)
Right, right. Exactly.

Kelli (11:42.34)
But then she said, like, if you don't, I'm gonna tell her. So.

We Wine Whenever (11:49.925)
And then, listen, like you said, was very clear when she said it, I told you not to bring it up. And then all of a sudden, Katie starts crying. And then she's like, you know, she said she feels hurt by Gina and then Gina all of a sudden feels bad. That's why I really don't think because Gina is very sensitive. I don't think that she would, first of all, she's close with Heather. She wouldn't do that to Heather. She wouldn't do it for a storyline. It's just not in her makeup. I mean, then she winds up.

Kelli (11:53.709)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:07.577)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:17.482)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (12:18.49)
She winds up apologizing to Katie. And we don't know enough about Katie yet to know, like, were those tears real? I don't like what I see so far.

Kelli (12:28.052)
No, and like what Emily was saying about Alexis, how she's coming in too hot, like let these girls get to know you, like you're coming in too hot with the Shen and stuff. Katie came in with this and it's like, again, like a distraction away from her really forming friendships. Although she does seem to be doing so with Jen and you know, but I don't know. It's like this is like a roadblock, I feel like, for her.

We Wine Whenever (12:56.932)
I do too. I do too. Then we see Shannon meets up with her dad. I love that scene. He calls himself, I wrote it down, Gene the machine. Gene the machine. He introduced himself to ladies in the park as Gene the machine. And I remember when, cause we haven't seen him in many seasons. I remember when he was, he was out and flirting with all the ladies. Like that was his thing, you know?

Kelli (12:57.146)
for her freshman season.

Kelli (13:04.536)
What's he call himself?

Kelli (13:08.964)
Gene the machine? Yes, Gene the machine.

Kelli (13:15.854)
That's amazing.

Kelli (13:23.042)
Yeah. Yep. Yep. God bless them.

We Wine Whenever (13:26.555)
She tells him about John Jansen suing her and he's like, you gotta fight this. You gotta go for the jugular. Which I think was sound advice from her dad.

Kelli (13:32.418)
Yep, go for the jugular.

Very sound advice, very sound advice.

We Wine Whenever (13:39.663)
then Shannon talks about how she needs to get a car and that thing that you blow into, and that's going to be a daily reminder of her DUI. she also goes on to say that when she was with John Jansen, they were drinking all the time and she was miserable. So, you know, she's. Right.

Kelli (13:56.472)
Yeah. Yeah. She was self -medicating. It's very obvious that she was self -medicating because she was not in a happy place and he had something to do with that. don't personally, sometimes I feel like Shanna's not even over her divorce yet.

We Wine Whenever (14:10.041)
No, it could be.

Kelli (14:11.757)
and he didn't help the matter.

We Wine Whenever (14:13.526)
No, he certainly did not. No, he did not. Then we see Tamar go over to Alexis's house and they're talking about why Alexa wasn't invited to the golf outing. She wasn't invited because when she's a friend of, right, you're a friend of, you are giving Shannon a hard time and it was Katie's event and she wanted Shannon to feel comfortable. Is that simple? No, Vicki wasn't there.

Kelli (14:26.35)
You're not a housewife.

Kelli (14:35.714)
Right. Was Vicki there? Okay, well there you go. Now, and listen, if Vicki were there, would have been totally fine. But you're not a housewife, so... Beat it.

We Wine Whenever (14:43.308)
Right. Right. And then Tamar is bad mouthing Shannon saying that she needs rehab. Tamar said Shannon is blaming John Jansen for her drinking. She's not really blaming him. She is saying that she was miserable and when they were together she was drinking. I don't know that that's her blaming him, but you know, she seems to think that she has her drinking under control. She went to a program and

Kelli (15:00.376)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:10.069)
She doesn't seem drunk. She looks great. She's taking care of herself. Let her live her life. Who are you to be judge and jury? Who are you to keep slandering her every single chance you get? Every single chance you get.

Kelli (15:14.125)
Right.

Kelli (15:20.45)
Right. Right.

Kelli (15:26.028)
And what's with the happy -go -lucky Lexi? You don't invite happy -go -lucky and she's like pointing to herself like it's just too much. It's it's so fake and phony. It's it's like Tamra.

We Wine Whenever (15:34.497)
It's phony. It's, yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes it is. Then Tamra brings up the facelift and Alexa says, I will bring the receipts. So then we see Gina talking to her son telling him that he's gonna be sleeping over Travis's house tonight because Gina's throwing the dinner party at the restaurant. And she gets to the restaurant and they have the private room.

Kelli (15:41.422)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:07.5)
We see Vicki is going with Gina, no, Vicki is going with Shannon to the dinner party. Heather shows up and doesn't want to sit across from Katie. you know, we, well, I mean, listen, Heather likes place cards. She likes to have a proper set of table. It was.

Kelli (16:13.476)
Shannon.

Kelli (16:19.258)
That was a little immature.

Kelli (16:28.866)
I know, but that was a little... I mean, you're... Listen, Heather, you're on a show. You have to coexist with these people, so...

We Wine Whenever (16:36.567)
Well, she just sat in a different seat. It's not like she wanted to sit at a different table.

So then Emily shows up and she shows the ladies her anniversary ring, which we all said is beautiful.

Kelli (16:49.568)
Again though, Alexis's reaction was so over the top.

We Wine Whenever (16:52.629)
Yeah. Alexis says to Katie, how are you? Cause she was sitting across from her. Alexis asked, why was I, what was your thought process and not inviting me to the golf outing? She doesn't need to tell you what her thought process was. Like who are you to question her? Who, like who are you to question her?

Kelli (17:08.644)
She most certainly does not. Yep. Right. You're just a friend of and you're Tam is friend. You're not Katie's friend.

We Wine Whenever (17:18.496)
I mean, you're supposedly Heather's friend too, right?

Kelli (17:21.37)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (17:23.528)
So then Shannon orders a drink.

no, Vicky first before that Vicky and Shannon walk in and Tamar says the wicked witch of the West. Meaning Vicky?

Kelli (17:29.299)
Kelli (17:36.586)
I'm assuming. And Alexis says, look who's in my world now. You're both a friend of. And by the way, Alexis, even if you were holding an orange and Vicki wasn't, you're still in her fucking world. Cause she started the show. She was there before Andy Cohen. So you're still in her world. You'll always be in her world.

We Wine Whenever (17:37.63)
Which -

We Wine Whenever (17:41.107)
Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:51.125)
Yes. Yes, 100%. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.967)
So true, it's so true. So then Shannon orders a drink and Tamara says, yeah, an alcoholic should have a drink. Shannon says, who, I know.

Kelli (18:07.834)
can't believe she called her an alcoholic. I can't believe she did that.

We Wine Whenever (18:11.989)
Shannon says, who makes you judge and jury? Shannon says, every day I wake up and I think about what happened. And then Tamar says, is that after you have a drink? Like who the F does she think she is?

Kelli (18:22.892)
She's just, she's, she's just, and, and you know, thank God Emily and Gina did finally say something, but there was a, there was a pause there before anybody said something. Right, right, Vicki, but I'm saying out of everybody else sitting there, like open your mouths, cause this is not right. You don't call an, and I'm not even saying Shannon's an alcoholic cause I,

We Wine Whenever (18:34.056)
Well, Vicki said something. No, Vicki said something. Vicki said something.

We Wine Whenever (18:43.721)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:50.83)
Personally, I don't think she is. think she copes with alcohol. Well, maybe that does make sense. But I don't think she is. I think when she's in a dark place, that's how she self -medicates, but she seems very healthy now and not reliant on it.

We Wine Whenever (18:59.987)
I mean

We Wine Whenever (19:10.385)
Right. Right. And it's her business. It's her business. Like, why does Tamber think she needs to jump on this soapbox? Like you are so holier than thou. You have had... Right. Right. You've had many drunken nights and made a fool of yourself. Okay, so you didn't drink and drive, but you've done many other. Right.

Kelli (19:15.162)
Period. It's her business.

Kelli (19:22.21)
She's always been like that, Tamara.

Kelli (19:28.046)
Yep.

right? Naked, wasted. You did try to get a woman to take her clothes off and go in a bathroom with your son so you could prove that she's not really in love with her dying fiance. You're a piece of shit for that and you'll always be one for that.

We Wine Whenever (19:47.536)
Yeah, mean, Tamar is, I don't know. listen, I never liked her on the OC. I liked her first. When she was just doing the pod, I liked the podcast. I won't even listen to the podcast anymore. I won't.

Kelli (19:57.849)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (20:01.39)
I have a hard time. I listened to them recap Jersey, but quite honestly, I got tired of it because they're so afraid of Louie and Teresa. They'll never fucking say it the way it is.

We Wine Whenever (20:10.502)
Yeah, I'm done. I'm done with Tamra. think honestly, I think Tamra needs to go. I don't think she needs to be there. I really don't. I think she's toxic. I really do.

Kelli (20:15.193)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (20:19.406)
They have to do something with these shows. They have to get rid of the Tamras and the Teresas who just do things for the drama. Yes, we like a little drama, but not not assholes. Like they're just mean girls. Mean, mean, mean. They got Bravo has to get rid of these people and and do something else because this isn't the way it started.

We Wine Whenever (20:35.963)
Yeah. Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (20:46.563)
No, it's not. It's absolutely not. It's absolutely not. And like you said, Emily says, I think that she's changed. And Gina says, it's not for you to decide whether or not Shannon is an alcoholic. And it's true. It's not for her to decide. who, you know, does she have her PhD? Is she all of a sudden a medical doctor? No, you're.

Kelli (20:57.987)
Right.

No.

Kelli (21:05.346)
And listen, at this point, it's because she keeps complaining about how Shannon will call her drunk, crying every day. She's not doing that anymore because you're nobody's friend. You're not her friend.

We Wine Whenever (21:14.672)
Right, right. So then Shannon gets up and she says, this has to stop. And Tamara says, you've been lying. You owe John Jansen $70 ,000. Alexis chimes in and says, no, $75 ,000. And I have the receipts. Wire transfers. It's absolutely disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. She says $60 ,000 was for a facelift and $15 was a loan. Shannon walks out of the room and then Jen follows her after a while. Vicki is still in there defending her.

Kelli (21:31.054)
Disgusting.

We Wine Whenever (21:45.498)
But why? Now you are John Jansen's puppet?

Kelli (21:50.818)
And not only, what are the producers doing? You see Shannon struggling and you're allowing this to happen. Bravo is allowing this to happen. Like, literally trying to mentally break this woman down.

We Wine Whenever (22:05.091)
I mean, I think the producers were following out telling her to go back in. That's what they were doing. They, I mean, they weren't trying to help her.

Kelli (22:08.694)
Exactly. Yeah. Go take me. No! They were probably trying to tell her to go back in to take more abuse. It's disgusting. We really are the problem for watching this. B Lashes is right. We are the problem.

We Wine Whenever (22:19.223)
It is dis it really is disgusting.

We Wine Whenever (22:25.487)
So Kelly's referring to, have a post up on TikTok about Jen Aiden and how when she was asked about, you know, what she's going to do if she, you know, no longer has the housewives, she goes on talking about, you know, her fabulous life and her house and her Ferraris and her 18 bathrooms and all that. And B Lash has commented on our video and she shared it. And she said, you know,

Kelli (22:40.14)
for our Lamborghinis or Ferraris, whatever the hell she drives. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:53.154)
She was just being honest. This is who she is. You know, she's not a nice person. Right, right. She's not a nice person. And, you know, we as viewers are part of the problem because we're letting her profit off of this, which is what, you know, we keep saying, like, if we stop watching, then they'll stop having a platform.

Kelli (22:55.458)
Right. Like her or not, that's who she is.

Kelli (23:15.202)
Yeah, I mean, again, I like, you know, I like to watch the fun stuff. I like to watch Emily and Shane out to dinner and their banter back and forth. I think they're so funny. Even Heather and Terry on camera are very good together. And I'm not a huge Heather fan, but I like I like the scenes with her and Terry. You know, when they go do their girls trips, like that's the stuff you want to see. It's the

We Wine Whenever (23:24.983)
Right.

Kelli (23:42.828)
It's the other, it's the Tamra's like it's, it's too low. It's going too low. And I don't want to stop watching because a lot of it I like and we do this and we have fun doing this, but for crying out loud, like it's just, it's just, I, it's just me. Some of it's just so mean. Like, you know, if somebody were treating my daughter like this, I would lose my ever loving.

We Wine Whenever (23:51.273)
You don't have

Kelli (24:12.407)
mind.

We Wine Whenever (24:13.866)
Yeah, no, I hear you. It's just like you said, it's mean girl behavior. It's toxic and it's uncalled for. I like to see the family scenes. I like to see the fun interactions. I like to see them laugh and have a good time and, you know, do different activities. I don't need to see someone taking down another person. I don't need to see that. I don't. I don't want to see that. I don't.

Kelli (24:18.063)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:27.769)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:33.464)
No, no.

And I didn't think Tamra had a good season last season. I was hoping they weren't going to bring her back. And now they bring her back and she's even worse this season.

We Wine Whenever (24:46.325)
I do think it's interesting though that when Shannon was in the hallway and she's talking to Jen, she does say, you have no idea the stories that I could release about him. But she won't because in the confessional, the producers are like, well, what are they? She's like, I'm not gonna get sued again. I'm not gonna open my mouth.

Kelli (25:05.08)
Because that's why Jim Bellino sued her and Tamara. That's exactly why. So honestly, maybe that's what Alexis is trying to do. She's trying to bait her to get her to say something about John Jansen so he can sue her the way Jim Bellino sued her.

We Wine Whenever (25:08.84)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:21.503)
Well, she's the one who probably got him to sue her for the money.

Kelli (25:24.857)
Right, but it was probably, you know, bigger, whatever Jim Bellino was going after was more than the 75 grand John Janssen's going for. I don't know. I don't think Alexis is looking very good though.

We Wine Whenever (25:35.4)
Yeah, I don't know either. No. Then Tamar goes up to Vicky and says, it wasn't because of you I backed out of Trace Amigos. Vicky says she needs a friend and I'm not leaving her. Heather says to Alexis, maybe you need to take it down and get to know her. And it's true. It's true. Everything Vicky said and everything Heather said is true. Like Tamar needs to take it down. Alexis needs to take it down. You don't need to attack her. She doesn't need to have it come from both sides.

Kelli (25:54.297)
Mm

Kelli (26:00.1)
Now.

No, I mean.

We Wine Whenever (26:04.22)
And I really think she's handling herself like a class act.

Kelli (26:08.814)
Absolutely. I mean, Emily said it on Watch What Happens Live last night. Like, Alexis looks awful. And Shannon looks great. And I would imagine by her saying that, it means that that's how the rest of the season's gonna play out.

We Wine Whenever (26:18.482)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (26:26.12)
I think it might, cause then Alexa says, I want to get to know her. Emily says, you can't bring receipts and then say you want to get to know her. Which is true.

Kelli (26:32.244)
Right. And thank God Emily was the voice of reason here. Thank God.

We Wine Whenever (26:35.975)
Right. And then Vicki says, is toxics and you can't treat women this way. I know you all believe in Jesus Christ and you need to be kind. And I agree. I agree.

Kelli (26:46.382)
Heather is Jewish though, isn't she?

We Wine Whenever (26:49.433)
she may be, but I'm just, I don't know about the Jesus Christ part, but you need to be kind. Okay. Right. You believe in something.

Kelli (26:50.97)
We all have faith. We all have faith. But the funniest part was, yeah, as long as you believe in something. Yeah, we all need to believe in a higher power because otherwise there's not much accountability. Just my personal opinion. No, you know, just my personal opinion. Anyway, the funniest thing ever was when Emily said, please roll the the film of Vicky being terrible.

We Wine Whenever (27:18.717)
The flashbacks. Yep.

Kelli (27:21.012)
And they do. However, if you'll notice...

We Wine Whenever (27:23.184)
That was in the confessional. That was in the confessional. And that's what I like that she does. That stuff she does, I think is great.

Kelli (27:27.794)
Yes. But you'll notice from all of those flashbacks, she's not yelling at another woman. She's not tearing anybody else down. She's yelling that they sent a family van for a lot of people. She's yelling at the producers at the reunion because they told her to get off the set when she thought she deserved to be there. And I think that there was this like one other scene. She's not yelling at her castmate. well, the one scene she was yelling at her castmates, but she wasn't tearing them down, calling them names like alcoholic. She wasn't doing that.

We Wine Whenever (27:33.571)
No. No.

We Wine Whenever (27:38.501)
Yes, right.

We Wine Whenever (27:43.643)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (27:55.6)
Right.

Kelli (27:58.038)
It's very different.

We Wine Whenever (27:58.151)
Right. 100 % is very different. It's very different. Because then Tamar's yelling back, she needs to be in rehab. She's an alcoholic. It's like enough. Enough.

Kelli (28:11.566)
I mean, quite honestly, that's slander. Shannon could sue Tamara. It's on national television. It's on film. She probably could sue her. The same way Jim Bellino sued them. Tamara needs to keep her mouth shut. She's so stupid.

We Wine Whenever (28:30.544)
She really is. I mean, last -

Kelli (28:33.036)
She's getting more and more like Teresa as the days go on

We Wine Whenever (28:36.836)
Last season she was going after Jen. Now she's going after Shannon. Now she's best buds with Alexis. And as we see at the end, she's going to be going after Jen again.

Kelli (28:39.226)
Mm

Kelli (28:47.756)
Yep. No, Vicky was right. And actually, think Vicky was on Teresa's podcast when she said it that Tamara's only storyline is going after a castmate. And she's right.

We Wine Whenever (29:03.942)
I don't like it.

Kelli (29:05.11)
Me neither. If you don't have anything going on in your life to share, then get off the show. Because this is tired. You're tired. Yeah, right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:06.618)
I don't like it.

We Wine Whenever (29:14.552)
Or just be fun. Interact with the other women and be fun. don't have, listen, maybe you don't have anything going on. Okay. Just be there and be fun and participate. Support the other women, build them up.

Kelli (29:26.666)
Right. Right. And as much as I think that Fancy Pants can be showy with her real estate, at least she has that to talk about. And she has solid scenes with her husband and her kids when they're around. By the way, did you see Nick DeBrow on Million Dollar Listing? That was nice. That was nice. I'm glad to see he's, you know, getting into that role. But

We Wine Whenever (29:48.076)
I did. I did. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:57.472)
She, Heather's a good housewife, Heather like her or not. She's a good housewife and she does bring something to the table and she is fun and she is positive with the other women. And this thing with her and Gina now it's just the way she feels. It's not her trying to start a fake storyline. She's just telling her friend like, you know, I have a problem with this, you know, wait until she finds out that Shannon sat at Katie's house and read the text message.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.817)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:28.088)
That's probably not going to go over very well,

We Wine Whenever (30:31.46)
Well, I mean, that's not really Shannon's fault.

Kelli (30:34.262)
No, it's not. But she sat there and entertained it. And I think that that's why she was annoyed at Gina, because she sat there and entertained it. listen, you're on a show and everybody's going to sit and entertain whatever's going on. But yeah, Tamara's tired. Got to go.

We Wine Whenever (30:45.239)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (30:49.346)
I 100 % agree. I 100 % agree. Then we go to watch what happens live and Emily's on with Colleen Hoover.

Kelli (30:57.57)
Okay, let me tell you something, because you know how I am. I'm all set to watch this movie and read this book. ends with us. As a matter of fact, I am on the list, the waiting list to get the book from Ocean County Library, because I have so many, I won't buy books anymore. I have so many books. It's ridiculous. Like I really need to have a garage sale just for books. So I'm on the waiting list, but I do want to read it because now there's a movie and I love,

whatever her name, now the actress that's in there, Blake Lively. But when she gave her unpopular opinion and said, I actually really like Louis.

We Wine Whenever (31:26.018)
Colleen Hoover.

We Wine Whenever (31:41.152)
No one.

Kelli (31:42.114)
I'm like, well, I'm not reading your book now. You fucking whack job for saying that. Like, what is wrong with you? Like, are you kidding me? So I'm not reading the book or seeing the movie because you know how I am. I am. It's not happening. If Ocean County Library calls me, says my book's ready, I'm going say thank you anyway. Give it to the next person.

We Wine Whenever (31:56.298)
You are that way. Yeah, you are. I know.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.955)
Because Colleen Hoover likes Louie.

Kelli (32:10.498)
Yep. That was this I'm like, I thought this woman was intelligent, like, she's friends with Emily, like, threw me for a loop.

We Wine Whenever (32:22.889)
Okay. That's okay. Yes. So the bartender was also in the movie. was, Brendan Skelner. I've never heard Brandon Skelner. I've never heard of him.

Kelli (32:24.162)
So go on, sorry. You were saying about Watch What Happens Live.

Kelli (32:36.544)
Was he the main cat? Was he the male lead? Okay, okay.

We Wine Whenever (32:38.977)
No, he wasn't. I don't think so. No, I don't think he was. And let's see, do you agree, there were some questions. Do you agree with Heather that Gina's at fault? And this was to Emily. Emily says you do what you have to do when filming. And the next question was, what about Tamara's tough love with Shannon? Emily thinks she needs to show more empathy. 100 % agree.

Kelli (33:04.954)
Yeah, 100%.

We Wine Whenever (33:07.03)
do you agree that Vicky is enabling Shannon? She said, maybe. I don't think she is. I don't think, I think she's being a friend. I think.

Kelli (33:12.121)
I don't either.

I think that Vicki is a very empathetic person and a very motherly person and just wants to take care of people when they're in need. she, I mean, she's friends, she's a good friend to Shannon anyway, but she's going to really put herself out there for Shannon now when Shannon needs her the most, because that's what a good friend does.

We Wine Whenever (33:21.546)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (33:37.917)
Yeah. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (33:42.402)
And we don't know what Vicky's saying to her. Like, we don't know if Vicky's saying to her, like, well, I mean, she did say you could have a drink, you're not driving, but she can have a drink if she's not driving.

We Wine Whenever (33:51.655)
Right, right.

And then she's asked, they ask Emily, what about the lawsuits? She said she thinks the timing is suspicious. And I 100 % agree. I think it has to do with Alexis. I don't think we already said, we don't think it has anything to do about the money because she offered to pay him. Even though her father said, you know, don't, she offered to pay him.

Kelli (34:03.725)
Absolutely.

Kelli (34:11.45)
Absolutely.

Bye.

I'm glad she did, though, because now we know that he said no. So now we know why he's really doing this.

We Wine Whenever (34:25.235)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:28.804)
Terrible.

We Wine Whenever (34:29.607)
It is terrible. It really is terrible. And I honestly think

I honestly think that, I hope Shannon has a good attorney because the fact that she offered to pay him and he said no, I think that attorney should use that and bring that to court to have it thrown out as a frivolous lawsuit. Yeah, because if you're suing for money and she's offering to give you the money so that she doesn't have to pay all these legal fees and be dragged through the court and you're saying no, well,

Kelli (34:50.266)
Absolutely. Yep, frivolous claim.

Kelli (35:05.956)
There's no emotional damage. There's no punitive damage. If you didn't have it, you wouldn't give it. You had it. You gave it. She offered to pay you back. You said no. No damages. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (35:06.086)
What is that?

Right.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.175)
That's what I would say, right?

So I hope, really hope, and Shannon's not dumb. I mean, I hope she has a good attorney and I hope he's, you know, going into court with this and, you know, trying to get it thrown out.

Kelli (35:33.422)
Let's hope it's not Jim Leonard.

We Wine Whenever (35:35.689)
gosh, I'm sure it, I mean I shouldn't say that. It could possibly be Jim Leonard, who knows?

Kelli (35:39.098)
No, those girls are too smart. Those girls are too smart.

We Wine Whenever (35:47.869)
Okay, so that's pretty much all I have.

Kelli (35:50.83)
Well, so let's talk about some things we saw. Louie making the comment about the Jew Dice Girls wearing thongs and short skirts.

We Wine Whenever (36:00.098)
on the podcast, on Teresa's podcast.

Kelli (36:04.602)
I

We Wine Whenever (36:05.327)
and going and dancing at the clubs.

Kelli (36:08.812)
It's like, he never gonna, he's just not gonna learn. He just doesn't give an F is basically what it is. And Bravo, this is PSA for you. You put him back on the show. saw what he did. He clearly threatened Marge's son last year. He clearly dug up John Futa's baby mama and got that poor girl sent back to jail.

We Wine Whenever (36:35.771)
And she was in jail at the time.

Kelli (36:37.454)
She was in jail at the time and then she was in a sober living house or you know, like a halfway situation and you're not supposed to have any contact or social media or anything like that. And they contacted her and got her sent back to jail. Then you say you hope her effing son suffers. Bravo. You put this guy back on the air. You are a negligent employer and I hope every one.

We Wine Whenever (36:41.006)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (37:01.368)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (37:06.146)
of your employees sues you for it, at least the Jersey cast, because you're putting them in a very dangerous situation by letting this guy film. He's dangerous.

We Wine Whenever (37:16.1)
You know, I think it's interesting. did, Louie did come out with his statement, right? That, you know, he apologized and that's not really what he meant. Did you see that? Yeah. And I, I today was, you know, scrolling through some podcasts and I was listening to, and I haven't listened to them. And then I deleted it after I started listening all about the TRH Roxanne. I know I haven't listened in a long time. I said, let me just listen.

Kelli (37:24.74)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:41.665)
So she was talking about that and how happy she was that Louie did that and that was the right thing to do and he didn't really mean it. And I'm sitting there and I'm listening to her. I'm like, how are you defending this behavior? Like how is this behavior defend? Like it makes no sense. It makes no sense. Like he said it and he meant it and you could see that he meant it. You could see he meant it.

Kelli (37:54.509)
It's unbelievable.

Kelli (38:02.36)
Yep. On camera.

We Wine Whenever (38:08.557)
I mean, he was at home. It's not like anyone was there. It wasn't like he said it under duress. It's not like he felt threatened at the time. He was at the privacy of his own home having a conversation with his wife about what her strategy was gonna be. It's like...

Kelli (38:08.643)
Yup.

Kelli (38:14.202)
Right. Right.

Kelli (38:21.924)
Right.

Kelli (38:25.516)
Right. How are you going to handle Marge?

We Wine Whenever (38:29.325)
That is a psychopath.

Kelli (38:31.108)
The day Theresa could handle Marge in any capacity, sign me up for a front row to that, because Theresa can't handle shit. She could never handle Marge one -on -one. Marge would eat her up. And I text you today because I'm working and I have, you know, Housewives on in the background and I got to stop. I got to stop because it was season four, it was the reunion and she goes in on Caroline. Blubber, blubber, blubber. She's fat shaming Caroline.

We Wine Whenever (38:43.213)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:00.886)
all the way back then she's fat shaming people and Andy Cohen sits there and says nothing. He says nothing. Now you it's just amazing to me how he protects her and always has because she was the cash cow of the show. She was. There's no doubt about it.

We Wine Whenever (39:21.003)
I don't get it. I don't get it. So one of my coworkers, I told you, he is a huge Teresa fan. And I saw him this week. He was away on vacation when I got back from work and he just got back later in the week because he was down in Florida and they had all the storms, whatever. And he told me that I was completely wrong and that he's not listening to my podcast anymore. I said,

Kelli (39:22.604)
Me neither.

Kelli (39:40.555)
yeah.

Kelli (39:48.502)
We Wine Whenever (39:50.325)
You are allowed to have another opinion besides mine. You're entitled to your opinion. I said, how? I don't understand how you can love her. said, what about Louie? No, she's fine. I'm like, he's like, you are wrong. Well, I don't think he thinks he's fine, but he is just a tree hugger. I called him a tree lover. He goes, it's not a tree lover. It's a tree hugger. I said, no, a tree stump. He's like, no, I love Robert.

Kelli (40:01.902)
He's fine.

Kelli (40:15.822)
to tree style.

We Wine Whenever (40:18.432)
He said, I can't listen to you anymore. You're all wrong. You and your friend are all wrong. I said, all right, we're wrong, but tell me why. No, I'm not. He's like, no, you're wrong. I'm like, all right, we're wrong. So he's punishing me and he's not gonna listen. I said, okay.

Kelli (40:26.904)
Right.

Kelli (40:32.922)
I wonder if our other friend who loves Teresa's listening.

We Wine Whenever (40:37.631)
We'll have to find out or maybe she's punished. Maybe she's punishing us too. And then I said, wait a second. said, did you see, I saw, cause he lives right by Joe Gorga in Tom's river. He sees them all the time and he doesn't like them. I said, did you see Joe Gorga did a commercial for me? goes, no, I saw as Reyes commercial. said, come on, come over to my desk. Let me show you my little commercial that Joe Gorga did for me. And I showed him, he's like, where was that? And I told him, he's like, and I, you know, I told him who else I saw. And I said, I'm going to see the husbands too.

Kelli (40:39.161)
We will.

We'll have to find out.

Kelli (40:47.964)
that's right.

We Wine Whenever (41:07.399)
Yeah

Kelli (41:08.94)
I can't wait for that. That's going to be so much fun. That's a week from tomorrow, isn't it? That it's at Harris?

We Wine Whenever (41:10.313)
I, it's gonna be so much fun, I agree. Yes it is, yes. Yes! It's gonna be a fun night.

Kelli (41:20.632)
That's gonna be a good night.

Well, I think that's it. Was there anything else in Bravo News? did you see Erica Jane, one of her confessionals on the upcoming season? guess the producers ask her. She gets pretty she gets pretty defensive. When they start questioning her about, you know, the court stuff again. She's like, I don't know, look it up.

We Wine Whenever (41:41.833)
I didn't see it.

We Wine Whenever (41:47.71)
I didn't see that.

Kelli (41:51.362)
Yeah, so I guess that situation, well he's going, he's starting trial soon, isn't he?

We Wine Whenever (41:56.192)
I don't, haven't heard anything about it, to be honest with you. I didn't know anything about it.

Kelli (41:58.06)
I think I saw him a clip of him walking into the court or something. Yeah, we'll have to start paying attention to that.

We Wine Whenever (42:03.155)
I saw that Garcelle was, think with Jeff Lewis, and she was saying how Dorie is very nasty this season because of the divorce. She's not pleasant to be around. Yeah.

Kelli (42:15.372)
Really? Interesting.

Kelli (42:22.222)
Garcelle is in a new movie on Lifetime and it looks good. It's a little seems reminiscent of how Stella got her groove back with Angela Bassett, which I love that movie. And this is a Lifetime movie with Garcelle. So I'm definitely watching that.

We Wine Whenever (42:40.218)
It seems like, cause they were listing all the things that she's doing. It seems like Arcella is killing it right now. Yeah. She's booked and busy. Good for her. Good for her. I do too. I do too.

Kelli (42:46.682)
She's busy. Mm -hmm. Yep. absolutely. I love Garcelle. I'm happy for her. See, this is the prime example of somebody who can join a show like this. I mean, she was already an accomplished actress and model, obviously. But you know, she stopped to raise her kids and then whatever happened in her marriage happened. And she's, you know, raising her kids as a...

We Wine Whenever (43:04.528)
Yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (43:16.142)
divorced woman joins this show and I would imagine the show probably opened up some doors for her. Not that she needed it because it doesn't hurt and she's a great housewife because she shows her dynamic with her kids. She gets involved with the storylines but she's not messy. You know? Me too.

We Wine Whenever (43:26.436)
No, but it doesn't hurt. It's, you know, right.

We Wine Whenever (43:40.281)
Mm -hmm. I like Garcelle and I've always said that. I love the scenes with her boys. I love watching them interact. I like to see, unlike cousin Gina, I like watching the kids.

Kelli (43:47.491)
Yes.

Kelli (43:52.25)
I think she does to a point, cousin Gina, but I think there's some kids that you just don't want to see. I'm not going to keep talking about the one I don't like because I don't want to lose any more listeners. But I think there's certain kids you don't want to see. But even to see Garcelle's dynamic with her ex -husband, she got past that and he did her dirty. And to see that they are co -parenting so amicably is nice to see.

We Wine Whenever (44:05.776)
You

We Wine Whenever (44:15.524)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (44:22.404)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. All right, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. And by the way, if you guys could subscribe to us on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts, please subscribe and like and possibly rate us some reviews that would really help grow this for us. Thanks.

Kelli (44:24.11)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:44.664)
Yep. Thank you.