RHONJ S14 E14: Off the Rails – Emotions Run High at Rails Reunion

RHONJ S14 E14: Off the Rails – Emotions Run High at Rails Reunion

In this intense episode, the ladies of RHONJ return to Rails, setting the stage for explosive confrontations. The group is split between two rooms, with tensions simmering. Rachel confronts Jenn Fessler for an apology, leading to a resolution between them. The emotional undercurrent intensifies as Margaret mourns the loss of her dog, Bella, and a heated exchange erupts between Delores and Margaret, surprising everyone with Delores' uncharacteristic anger.

Teresa and Delores clash over Louie's troubling comments about Margaret and her son, leading to a fierce argument where Delores refuses to defend Louie. Amidst the chaos, Margaret calls out Teresa's fake Chanel, and Jenn Aydin complicates matters by giving Delores a hard time as she tries to comfort Danielle. The episode concludes with Rachel announcing her pregnancy, while the rest of the ladies grapple with mixed feelings of regret, relief, and vindication.

The hosts express their opinions on the cast members and their actions, and discuss the influence of production on the show. The conversation covers various topics related to New Jersey, including the history of Atlantic City, favorite local markets, and the Real Housewives of New Jersey. The hosts discuss their favorite places to eat in Atlantic City and share their thoughts on the current season of the reality show. They also touch on other reality TV shows, such as The Real Housewives of Atlanta and Married to Medicine. The conversation ends with a brief mention of the ongoing Tom Girardi trial.

Takeaways

• The tension between the cast members is evident during the reunion replacement watch party.
• Leaked information is not addressed during the reunion, raising questions about production's control over the narrative.
• Opinions on Jackie and Dolores have changed, and Margaret's appearance is praised.
• The hosts clarify that they are not being paid by anyone and express their dislike for Teresa and Louie.
• They mention their upcoming meeting with Joe and Melissa Gorga. The hosts address the accusations that they are being paid by the Real Housewives of New Jersey cast members.
• They express their frustration with Teresa Giudice and her behavior on the show.
• The hosts discuss the controversy surrounding Louie Ruelas and his alleged shady business dealings.
• They criticize Dolores Catania for writing a character reference letter for a man convicted of domestic violence.
• The hosts mention the TikTok video that exposed Teresa wearing a fake Chanel top.
• They speculate on which cast members will return for the next season and share their thoughts on who should and shouldn't come back.
• The hosts talk about the importance of accountability and the need for a villain on the show.
• They also discuss the influence of production on the show and how it has changed over time. Atlantic City was a better place when the mob was involved in running it.
• The hosts enjoy watching reality TV shows like The Real Housewives of New Jersey, The Real Housewives of Atlanta, and Married to Medicine.
• They have mixed opinions about the cast members on these shows.
• The ongoing Tom Girardi trial is not receiving much media attention.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:01.174)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.937)
I'm Kelly.

Gina (00:05.124)
I'm cousin Gina.

We Wine Whenever (00:07.254)
Today we're talking about Real Housewives of New Jersey, season 14, episode 14. It is titled Off the Rails and it is the reunion replacement watch party. I don't know what you want to call it. It reminded me of the people's couch.

Kelli (00:24.216)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gina, have you ever been to Reels?

Gina (00:25.495)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (00:25.9)
Right? Yep.

Gina (00:28.897)
No, I didn't even realize it was on the rail. I mean, I mean that's

We Wine Whenever (00:32.065)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:32.173)
Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (00:35.756)
It's on the rails.

Gina (00:36.857)
What is, is that Totawa? Tawaka, okay.

Kelli (00:37.071)
And they said it, to walk up to walk up, but I think they said it was, it's like a subset of Montvale. Is that what they said? Yeah. So we're Joe and Melissa used to live and now Teresa lives in Montvale. It's right there. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:39.149)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:49.174)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (00:55.147)
Yes. So the ladies all go back there for the first time since the finale. And there's a downstairs room and an upstairs room, because I couldn't figure out which number was which. So in the downstairs room, have Margaret, Rachel, Danielle, Melissa, and Jen Fessler. In the upstairs room, we have Teresa, Jen Aiden, Jackie, and Dolores.

Gina (00:55.204)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:18.895)
Did you notice like how the, I'm just gonna call it the fun room with Margaret and Melissa and Rachel and all that. In the fun room, they were hugging, they were laughing. Like they were genuinely happy to see each other.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.87)
Yeah, downstairs, yeah.

Gina (01:33.067)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (01:33.238)
They were, they were, but when Jen Fessler got there, there was a little bit of tension.

Kelli (01:37.316)
Yeah.

Gina (01:38.069)
A lot of tension, but I like the way they, know, twisted it and got everybody on the right track. Can I say something? I had a problem with it. I had a problem that they were filming in the same place that they filmed the week before, because when they're doing flashbacks, and I'm like, wait, what am I looking at? Am I looking at today? Am I looking at the finale party?

Kelli (01:45.017)
And yeah, like they wrapped it up.

Kelli (02:01.274)
Yeah.

Gina (02:03.689)
It got a little confusing. If Andy is listening to this podcast, maybe next time change the place.

Kelli (02:09.563)
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, that'd be a great crossover. Yeah, I think Andy sh

We Wine Whenever (02:11.201)
I'm sure he is, I'm sure he is.

Gina (02:13.015)
Fly him out to California to the quiet woman.

and wood. But you're right, the downstairs was fun, the upstairs was miserable. Teresa, miserable.

Kelli (02:26.715)
Awful. Awful. just sitting there so stiff, just like ready to... Just very confrontational and just not relaxed, not fun.

Gina (02:39.744)
Yep. And you know how Teresa always has to come in last? It's enough, enough of the Teresa. I am just sick and tired of it. I've had enough of her. really have. And you know what? I didn't need a reunion.

Kelli (02:51.684)
I'm over it.

We Wine Whenever (02:56.56)
we didn't have one.

Kelli (02:57.975)
Yeah, but...

Gina (02:59.071)
But I think it was a good decision. I think it was a good decision. Now, I just rewatched on Peacock. The first thing they talk about, and it was kind of in a flashback, were

Kelli (03:02.285)
Yeah, I do too!

We Wine Whenever (03:04.778)
I agree.

Gina (03:14.951)
about leaking things to the blogs okay now the timing of this we know when the reunion watching the final show was filled in that was what maybe a month and a half ago no mention of Teresa and Jen leaking things to the bloggers

We Wine Whenever (03:33.115)
It was July 15th that they filmed it, the watch party.

Gina (03:36.08)
Okay, and we knew about the bloggers before that. Melissa's old nose came out way before that and told us.

Kelli (03:36.951)
Right, but when was the...

Kelli (03:42.615)
you're right. You're right. Nobody mentioned that.

We Wine Whenever (03:45.043)
Yeah, but

Gina (03:47.036)
No. And I'm going to ask Joe Gorder about a Saturday night.

Kelli (03:51.547)
agree with that. didn't, why wasn't that? See, here's the thing. I didn't mind what they did and I didn't need a reunion either because Teresa just barrels over everybody. But what would have been good is if Andy were there, even if he was there via Zoom, asking them questions. Because if the girls in the fun room had an opportunity to actually answer a question for once in a reunion without Teresa barreling over them,

we could actually hear what they had to say. You can never hear what anybody has to say because she just dominates the conversation. Maybe Andy should have been there like facilitating in some way because you're right, that never came up and that is bullshit because that is huge what they were doing. That is huge. I mean, Monica Garcia basically got fired.

Gina (04:37.373)
Yeah.

Gina (04:42.601)
Now I was listening to gab Gabriela who used to be Melissa's old nose on whatever social media platform She was the blogger that Jen Aiden and Teresa were leaking things to and I was listening to her podcast I think she was with David Yon Tifa behind the velvet rope before Sunday before we saw this and she was telling him what was gonna happen on this show she even knew stuff

Kelli (04:44.175)
from Salt Lake.

Kelli (04:55.835)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:04.549)
Mm -hmm.

She's been doing it for weeks.

Gina (05:09.287)
Yeah, she still even found out because people told her, you know. But all that was out before this was filmed. Why wasn't there a mention of it?

Kelli (05:20.249)
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a bunch of BS.

Gina (05:23.11)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:24.327)
I agree 100%. And I think, I mean, you could ask Joe Gorgor, but he's not going to have an answer for you. I think it all has to do with production because even if it was brought up, they weren't going to show it.

Gina (05:36.698)
you know who I'm gonna ask who's got a big mouth? Joe Benigno. He'll tell me. And he'll be drunk by then.

Kelli (05:40.089)
Yeah, and he might know because of Margaret.

We Wine Whenever (05:45.188)
Maybe Margaret will be, maybe the wives will be in the back with them. Yeah. Yeah.

Gina (05:48.498)
I hope so. gonna, I would love that. It'd be amazing, you're right.

Kelli (05:48.539)
Stop it. That would be amazing.

Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:55.791)
So when Jen Fessler gets there, Rachel says that she wants an apology from her before she even shows up. And they have their little conversation. And they apologize and they make everything right. Then Danielle says to Jen Fessler, because she showed up late because she ran into traffic or whatever, she said, after watching back the season, how do you feel about defending Jen Aiden? And I like that Jen Fessler said, well, after seeing it back, I was wrong.

Kelli (06:25.86)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:26.595)
you know i i'd like to see could admit that she was wrong you know

Gina (06:29.635)
That was a good thing for her to do because she was, you know, she's kind of like this. mean, you know, my opinions have changed the past month on a lot of people. Meaning hit the road. Dolores.

Kelli (06:29.765)
Yeah.

Mm

Kelli (06:40.229)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (06:44.057)
Right. Agreed.

We Wine Whenever (06:47.286)
Yeah, I agree.

Gina (06:47.686)
her behavior with Margaret.

We Wine Whenever (06:51.266)
Yeah, uncalled for totally uncalled for I mean we saw today that the jersey jays is now going to be just jackie goltzneider goldschneider because jen festler is no longer doing the podcast that they just yeah, jeena sent that to us. I had seen it already Yes

Gina (06:52.365)
Bye.

Kelli (07:04.665)
I didn't see that.

Kelli (07:09.066)
I never opened that.

Gina (07:10.114)
I said it to you, I don't even know what we're talking about.

We Wine Whenever (07:14.984)
Yeah, you sent it to us. No, no, the Jersey Jays.

Kelli (07:17.157)
That's amazing. No, the podcast with Jen Fessler and Jackie Goldenscheider. And Jen Fessler's not going to do it anymore.

Gina (07:17.606)
don't know what the four J's are!

We Wine Whenever (07:24.364)
Jackie.

Gina (07:25.861)
know they had one.

We Wine Whenever (07:27.532)
my god. Jen Fessler's not going to do it. And Jackie announces she's doing her own solo podcast and she's talking about, hold on. Let me look since Gina sent it to us.

Gina (07:39.583)
Wait, yeah, about Jackie's podcast. Now I remember. You have to remember, I'm retired. I do nothing but send texts to you two all day long.

Kelli (07:49.285)
That's amazing.

Gina (07:49.731)
And sometimes it's like, wait, stop, it's one o 'clock in the morning. I don't know if you've got your phone on. Like your children may be out, you keep.

Kelli (07:56.825)
We're probably sleeping, we have to work in the morning.

We Wine Whenever (07:58.435)
You

Gina (08:00.421)
What if your child's out and you got your phone on? Here I am texting you real housewife news at two in the morning.

We Wine Whenever (08:07.437)
You're so funny. So what she said was, I'm so excited to announce my new solo podcast on iHeartRadio starts today. The first episode delves into what happened with me at the finale and the very loaded topic of forgiveness. I spoke to the brilliant Melissa Reich, AKA, at your bish therapist about all things forgiveness, doing it without resentment, whether it's really possible after so many

Gina (08:19.064)
Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (08:37.13)
years of strife, blah, blah, blah. There's more on there, but I'm not listening to it. I don't want any part of it.

Kelli (08:43.003)
Okay, so here's what she's doing. Here's what she's doing. She's the new Raquel. So Raquel fucked up, left the show, and now she's gonna just talk about her being on the show. Because that's the only way people are actually, I'm not gonna listen to it either, because I can give a shit, but that's the only reason people would listen to a podcast with Jackie on it, is if Jackie talks about her time on the show. Because nobody cares about you, Jackie. You fucked up. You went to the dark side, Jackie.

Gina (08:43.095)
That's why she said that, because she wants us all to listen.

We Wine Whenever (08:48.831)
Yes!

Kelli (09:12.335)
You went to the dark side. Exactly. She's the new Rockow.

We Wine Whenever (09:12.352)
Yep.

Gina (09:12.52)
She may get a good three episodes out of that podcast. And you know what? Me so much. even wrote it down when she walked in. She said, I'm not going to be trashing anyone. You you folks are my new friends. I'm not going to trash anybody. I was like, really? You're you're you're meeting with the the X, Y's. You're the one that started all the trouble.

Kelli (09:26.01)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:37.634)
Exactly.

Gina (09:39.678)
That's another one my opinion change. I used to be a big Jackie fan, but you are correct. That is the new Rock Hell. And you know what? And in another month, if Rock Hell doesn't have the Hawk to eat girl, I know he's going to listen to that either. You know, there's only so much you could talk about. think that's why they keep suing each other. So they have a new topic. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (09:43.279)
me too.

Mm -hmm.

Kelli (09:59.137)
Exactly, exactly. So they stay relevant. She's not relevant. Jackie, you're not relevant. You're Pack it up, girl. Pack it up.

Gina (10:04.673)
No, Supposedly she has more money than any of them, so go off and live in your beautiful Hampton's house.

We Wine Whenever (10:04.719)
No, no, she's not relevant. She's not.

Kelli (10:14.167)
Exactly! You're a trust fund baby! Go live your life, girl!

Gina (10:17.076)
Mm -hmm.

Yep.

We Wine Whenever (10:21.575)
Yeah, exactly. And her husband's got a good job. So it's not like, you yeah, yeah.

Gina (10:25.472)
What's he? Hedge fund guy? I like him.

Kelli (10:27.024)
Yeah.

I do too. I feel bad for him. But you notice he wasn't on this season at all. Once or twice maybe?

We Wine Whenever (10:31.496)
I do too.

Gina (10:35.745)
think he was even on once or twice. I was thinking about that the other day. I don't remember even seeing him in the background.

Kelli (10:39.983)
He don't want no part of this.

Thank God he wasn't at Louis' boy's night. If he was at Louis' boy's night, I would have felt so bad for him. my God.

Gina (10:48.794)
how horrible was that? I would have said, Louis, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna make a video because to do something this wonderful, I really wanna put some thought into it.

We Wine Whenever (10:54.099)
It was bad.

Kelli (11:04.047)
That would have been a very nice thing, cousin Gina. I would have been like, I would have been like, you're out your fing mind.

We Wine Whenever (11:04.114)
Ha

Gina (11:05.544)
You know, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:09.982)
You

Gina (11:11.231)
And you know me, I'm not nice at all.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.721)
So then they start watching the finale and they start with how Dolores shows up at Margaret's house after she was at Teresa's house. And Teresa's watching it and she says to, know, Dolores, I've never seen you flip out like that before. I've never seen that happen.

Kelli (11:36.749)
And Dolores said she didn't even she didn't even want to watch it herself. Now she. Yeah, yeah.

Gina (11:37.696)
And they've been friends since they were teenagers. I'm sorry, Kel. They've been friends since teenagers.

We Wine Whenever (11:41.263)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (11:45.532)
Yeah, so she'd never seen her flip out like that. And then she also had mentioned that Margaret's dog that was on that episode, Bella, has since passed. So all the other ladies were also surprised to see how Dolores act because, we know now why she acted that way because, you know, she was trying to play, play Teresa side and she didn't want Teresa to see that she was invited and

You know, she wanted to make a stand.

Kelli (12:17.115)
She didn't want Teresa... She knew what was going on and she didn't want Teresa to know that she knew because then Teresa would have been like, why didn't you tell me? You know, the whole thing. You're a bad friend. She was lying. Dolores was lying. Her actions, the way she... I mean, that reaction was so unwarranted. Yeah.

Gina (12:35.272)
Okay, I have really good memory and I remember the most ridiculous things on earth and I remember Dolores, I remember them having a conversation about this and I remember Dolores being in the conversation. They were just talking about it after it happened and it was just Dolores mentioning, yeah, I'm glad I wasn't there or something like that. I swear that happened and if I have time, I will go back and find it.

Kelli (13:04.859)
pretty sure at some point they showed a flashback of her saying that.

Gina (13:04.923)
But why wouldn't the producers have found that? Yeah, I really think that. But why wouldn't the producers have remembered that? Because they always pull stuff out.

Kelli (13:13.305)
I don't know. Or... Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:17.413)
They show what they want to show is basically what it comes down to.

Kelli (13:19.193)
They do show what they want to show because now it's a he said, she said thing. It's a she said, she said thing. And if they show that, then it's going to prove Margaret's right. And it's going to put Delore really paint Delores bad.

Gina (13:19.293)
Exactly. Exactly.

Gina (13:29.431)
Delores' reaction was out of line and it's almost like Delores was trying to cover up for something else that we have no idea. You know what I mean? There was something wrong about that.

Kelli (13:35.439)
Completely.

Kelli (13:43.717)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:43.961)
Right.

So after that scene happens, Dolores says, well, I'm going to go check on Margaret and see how she's doing because of Bella. But I really think, because that's the only time she got up and really went over there. I really think she went over there because she wanted to see how that room was taking that reaction. And that's how she covered it up to Teresa. Like she wanted to see what did the other girls think of that scene.

Kelli (13:57.424)
Mm -hmm.

Gina (14:05.59)
Mm -hmm. Yup.

Kelli (14:09.733)
But she said, I'm going to go over and see Margaret because of the dog.

We Wine Whenever (14:12.876)
Right. Right.

Gina (14:12.961)
nothing to do with the dog. could have talked to Margaret after you had done recording. You know how Margaret's doing because you probably, know Dolores loves animals and I'm sure she's been in touch with Margaret since the dog passed away. Dolores was so out of line. That was not, that was, that was a bad scene.

Kelli (14:17.241)
Right. But!

We Wine Whenever (14:17.292)
Right, right.

Kelli (14:28.389)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:33.083)
And

Kelli (14:37.625)
And for her to say, I'm going to, she can't even tell Teresa, I'm going to talk to Margaret about the last scene. She doesn't even have the balls to say that to Teresa. I have to go check on her for her dog. Like grow a pair, Dolores. You act all tough and godmother, godmother, but you're not, you're not.

We Wine Whenever (14:46.913)
Exactly. Exactly.

Gina (14:48.571)
Fuck

We Wine Whenever (14:57.369)
So then when she walks over there, Melissa says to her, you know, why did you act that way? Why did you react that way? You know you were invited. And Margaret says, well, we remember things differently. So Melissa did call her out on it when she came over, which I was glad.

Gina (15:12.698)
And that was a good way for Margaret to put it, because you know, that happens. That happens.

We Wine Whenever (15:17.748)
No, that's how Dolores put it. Dolores put it that way.

Kelli (15:20.783)
But then Margaret said the same thing. They both wound up saying, we remember it differently.

Gina (15:21.338)
okay, okay.

We Wine Whenever (15:25.825)
Yes, yes, they both did. You're right. I just don't like that it happened and that she's really not owning it, you know?

Gina (15:26.082)
Okay.

Gina (15:30.03)
Yeah.

Gina (15:35.789)
No, but I gotta say Margaret looks wonderful. It's all over my notes. She, I don't know if she's drinking the blood of a little baby calf or something, but that looks more than plastic surgery.

Kelli (15:39.343)
Fantastic.

Yeah.

Kelli (15:48.73)
She is!

Kelli (15:53.68)
She is well, she's been honest Yeah

Gina (15:56.57)
She's Eastern European. She's Hungarian. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:59.8)
Hungarian, right?

Gina (16:06.531)
grandmother was Slovak and her and her sisters had that same type of skin. was almost translucent. No wrinkles. Yeah.

Kelli (16:14.735)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:17.185)
Well, she's had facelifts. I mean, it's not like she's done this.

Gina (16:19.367)
yeah! She's had everything done, but that's what I'm saying. Whatever plastic surgeon she's going to should have her on billboards.

Kelli (16:20.387)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:22.507)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:29.051)
Well, listen, Margaret, Dolores, they both had their facelifts done by Karolak and Wall Township. Dolores was on his billboard on 34. Yeah. And Margaret said she went to the... I swear. And Margaret was on Watch What Happens Live right after...

Gina (16:37.453)
They would, there's a.

Gina (16:42.13)
wall township for plastic surgery? I know that was famous for that.

Kelli (16:50.135)
her facelift and Andy said, you look amazing. And he said, did you, he probably asked her, did you go to Billy Aiden? And she said, no, I went to Dolores, this guy, Karolak in, wall township. As a matter of fact, he's been a bartender on watch what, watch what happens live. Karolak. Yeah. There's so, mean, listen, you got spring, Lincoln, Seagirt right there.

Gina (17:00.855)
Wow.

Gina (17:05.494)
plastic surgeon? That's great!

We Wine Whenever (17:09.418)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:13.63)
Yeah, there's plenty of money.

Gina (17:13.994)
Yeah, you just don't think of wall though. I mean if you said spring length but wall Yeah

Kelli (17:19.163)
Yeah, I mean it's right there and it's on 34, which is a, you know, like an industrial area where, you know, there's a lot of office buildings is what I mean.

We Wine Whenever (17:19.456)
They're neighbors.

Gina (17:28.311)
Speaking of offices, I was in front of James J. Leonard's office this weekend, and let me tell you something. Go as fast as you can, because it's like the worst neighborhood in all of Atlantic City. Yeah, and massage parlors and crack heads and, you know.

Kelli (17:41.133)
Is it really?

We Wine Whenever (17:45.333)
We're going to stop and take a picture. Yes, we are going to stop and take a picture. 100%.

Kelli (17:47.215)
We have to.

We have to.

Gina (17:51.765)
Alright. Alright, I'll tell you what. Whoever gets there last will pick the other ones up and we'll take a spin.

Kelli (17:58.851)
Yeah. Is it? yeah, it's not near Harrah's because Harrah's is in the marina.

Gina (18:02.994)
No, it's down by, no, it's down kind of between Caesar's and Trump.

Kelli (18:10.431)
okay, and that's a big, that's a big space between cas - yeah, yeah, yeah, without any casinos between those two. Yeah.

Gina (18:14.83)
it's a big thoroughfare, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.944)
Yeah, we'll definitely stop and take a picture.

Gina (18:22.74)
Okay.

Kelli (18:23.673)
Yeah, so we're going to see the husband Saturday night, Wendy, me and Gina, and we're at Harrah's and we're super excited. and let me just make a public service announcement. You know, I love my PSAs. Cause I'm reading the comments on our social media. Nobody is paying us people. Margaret's not paying us. Joe and Melissa Gourga aren't paying us. We just don't fucking like Teresa cause she's an asshole. And Louie is creepy. That's all.

Gina (18:29.876)
We got meat and greet!

We Wine Whenever (18:30.024)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:37.172)
haha

We Wine Whenever (18:41.907)
Yeah.

Gina (18:51.509)
They're paying us?

Kelli (18:53.287)
I swear you have to see the comments that people are that Margaret and the Gorgas are paying us because of because of what we say.

Gina (19:00.425)
Do they not watch the show? Do they not see what a piece of crap Teresa is

Kelli (19:02.497)
Exactly! What are you watching?

We Wine Whenever (19:04.945)
Listen, it's just the tree stumps that are saying it. That's all.

Kelli (19:06.949)
Yeah, it is, it is.

Gina (19:10.173)
Listen, I was at a party this weekend and a lot of people there were from Staten Island and there was one Teresa fan and I looked at him and I said, like, how could you be so stupid? I mean, I didn't know this guy. He was related to somebody. It's really, how could you be so stupid? Honestly, I've watched that show since the beginning. I was a big fan of hers. I was a fan of hers when she went to jail. She lost me with the Louis thing.

Kelli (19:22.905)
Yeah.

Gina (19:39.656)
I mean, there were times when I didn't like her as much as I used to, but I never disliked her. Now I dislike...

Kelli (19:39.717)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:45.433)
You always knew what she was up to, though. You always knew she was setting Melissa up with stripper gait and...

Gina (19:50.78)
We knew that Melissa thing in her, even when they were friendly and did the trip, remember they went on the ultimate girls trip together? They, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Once she hooked, Louie!

Kelli (19:56.965)
Ultimate Girl's Trip!

Kelli (20:03.821)
Even on that show, Teresa was like, why is she here? She's not an OG. But she had already started dating Louis by then. We just hadn't seen Louis. She was dating Louis when they did Ultimate Girls Tri

Gina (20:11.537)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:13.765)
We saw his notes. Remember he would, he, he sent her those notes that she opened up one every day.

Gina (20:20.016)
Love bombing.

Kelli (20:20.099)
Yep. And he took wanted, he said to Joe Gorga, let's go there. Let's go like crash their trip. And Joe was like, we can't do that. He was, Joe was probably like, dude, Bravo would kill us. Like you can't just do that. But yes, he asked Joe Gorga to go crash their trip.

Gina (20:28.24)
I don't remember that.

Gina (20:38.759)
Dubai did that, you watched Dubai?

Kelli (20:41.196)
I don't, Wendy does.

We Wine Whenever (20:42.329)
do, yeah. Sergio? Yeah.

Gina (20:43.005)
Do remember when, yeah, I loved him. You know what, Sergio, come here, I'll support you.

Kelli (20:52.645)
You

Gina (20:54.682)
He's so cute. I don't even want to sleep with him. I just want to look at him.

We Wine Whenever (21:00.304)
You're so funny.

Gina (21:00.718)
one. Like if there's any gay men out there that need a beer, I know you don't need beards anymore, but if you do...

Gina (21:10.182)
Be at Harry's Saturday night. Nice house, got a pool, but you gotta be gay. Gotta be gay though. Like Andy Cohen, like Andy.

Kelli (21:14.619)
Just ask for cousin Gina.

Kelli (21:21.307)
There you go. Did you guys hear Jen Aiden when they were showing the scene where Rachel was carrying like when Danielle and Melissa were going over to Rachel's house in the last episode and she was carrying it looked like a charcuterie board, but it was wasn't that big. But whatever. I don't think that those women eat that much anyway. They're all 30 pounds and.

We Wine Whenever (21:43.681)
Right. Right.

Gina (21:44.913)
Did you see the charcuterie board in front of Teresa in this last episode? Holy shit. That was like a $400 charcuterie board if you had to go buy it. Nobody touched it.

Kelli (21:49.271)
Yeah, I know that looked beautiful.

For sure. But they're showing Rachel carrying this thing and you hear Jen eating go, cheap fuck. Did you catch that? Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (22:03.517)
I didn't hear that. No, I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that.

Gina (22:05.947)
Does Jen Aiden not watch herself back? Does she know what humility is?

Kelli (22:11.771)
No, I couldn't believe it. was like, what is she talking? Her two friends are coming over and she put together a charcuterie board. cheap fuck. Like what should she have done, Jen? Had it catered? Like she's such a jerk.

Gina (22:26.193)
Danielle is right about everything she says.

Kelli (22:30.413)
Yeah, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (22:34.146)
I remember when Melissa was mentioning about how she was down the shore and one of Louis's nieces came up to her and said, you know, be afraid, like watch your back. And when Teresa watched that, she said, I'm going to let little Louis know what his cousin is saying.

Kelli (22:52.143)
Yep, yep. So bring more, good job. You're gonna bring another kid into this cesspool that you call a family, into the drama and the havoc of your life.

Gina (22:58.159)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (22:59.126)
Yep. Yep.

Gina (23:04.527)
First off, Joe Judiche should come and kick Louie's ass. did you see what he, that wasn't him, that wasn't him. He can't write like that. He can't put a sentence together. That was Gia. He even said that Gia does his social media. I think she told him she was doing it, but I don't think he was behind it. And let me tell you something.

Kelli (23:13.861)
couldn't agree with you more.

We Wine Whenever (23:15.416)
Well, he responded. He responded. Did you see?

Kelli (23:18.211)
I don't think it was him either. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Yup.

Gina (23:32.834)
This guy that's putting that fight together, Joe Dugiochi is gonna fight. Yeah, but guess what? I know the guy that's putting that fight together because I used to be in celebrity boxing world and he doesn't pay his people. He doesn't pay his people. I saw Danny Bonny Dugiochi almost beat the shit out of him one night. Hey, you don't mess with Danny. He wasn't gonna pay Danny. Remember that? Yeah. He told Danny, know, say, all right, say he.

Kelli (23:37.14)
Antonio Sabata

Kelli (23:44.879)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:54.137)
I remember when Danny Bonaduce did the celebrity fight. Yeah.

Gina (24:01.166)
He was going to give Danny say a thousand dollars and then he says, well, well, here's 800. We didn't bring in as many people. And Danny's like, no, this was that, know, that wasn't the amount of money. I'm just pulling it. But Damon did that for every single fight. I saw him do it to John Wayne Bobbitt. I saw him do it to Beetlejuice and Dominic when they had that fight. Yeah. Believe me, I saw him almost get his ass kicked a few times.

Kelli (24:11.733)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (24:12.736)
Right.

Kelli (24:28.667)
My hell.

Gina (24:29.473)
So I guarantee you he screws over Joe. Especially.

We Wine Whenever (24:33.599)
When is that fight?

Kelli (24:33.623)
I really hope not, because Antonio Sabato Jr. doesn't need the money. Well, I don't know if Joe Giudice needs the money either, but... I mean, I'm sure he's not gonna...

Gina (24:39.179)
Well, Joe must need it. I think Teresa is giving him money. think Teresa's giving him money. I think that's why that statement got put out.

Kelli (24:46.017)
I do too. I totally agree with you. I think he's gonna do whatever he has to do for Teresa. Because one, he's probably, I mean, he didn't show that he felt guilt, but I'm sure he's remorseful over what he did and how everything played out. For his daughters, he's gonna do it.

Gina (24:50.08)
Yep.

Gina (25:06.196)
Yeah, and I think he would do anything for his daughters, but what he should do for his daughters is get them out of that house.

Kelli (25:10.522)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:15.53)
But he can't, cause he can't go back to the US. So what is he gonna do?

Kelli (25:18.329)
He can't. And I'm sure his f

Gina (25:19.668)
What can he do? I'm sure he's got family in the US that could do something.

Kelli (25:24.856)
Yeah, but he'd have to do something legally. And I mean, look at look at Gia. She is right there with her mother spewing the same bullshit that her mother is. So he she wouldn't allow him to do anything if he tried. I mean, thankfully, those two other girls are away at school. Adriana, hopefully she goes away to school, too, at some point, because they need to get away from Louis.

Gina (25:28.012)
That takes too long.

Gina (25:36.182)
Yup.

Gina (25:40.544)
And you know.

Gina (25:48.874)
Well, how old is Audreanna? She's still in high school, Melania?

Kelli (25:52.195)
I think she probably just finished her freshman year because I think Teresa said during this season that she was a freshman in high school in high school.

Gina (25:59.081)
Yeah, okay, so that's the one we have to worry about. If there's a man saying, my daughter should wear thongs when they go on a Greek island, seriously? Listen, women should be able to wear whatever they want. It's the men that need to change the way they view us. But that's a whole nother thing. But you don't talk like that about somebody else's child.

Kelli (26:02.884)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:13.338)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:22.957)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:22.985)
These are children.

Kelli (26:27.312)
Right.

Gina (26:27.786)
while you're wearing their grandfather's pajamas. This Louie is an evil, evil man. And he is gonna get Teresa locked up again. I guarantee I could see it happening from all the shyster stuff I hear he's doing. She gave him $100 ,000 to pay off her car and he didn't do it. And he had the car stolen. That's a story I heard. Allegedly, allegedly, this.

Kelli (26:35.012)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:44.6)
Yep.

Kelli (26:51.759)
Yep, think he's... Yeah, allegedly, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:52.401)
Allegedly, allegedly.

Gina (26:56.458)
The story about the $300 ,000 he owes somebody else, allegedly.

We Wine Whenever (27:03.868)
Well, her earrings, allegedly her earrings were sold. She sold her earrings, allegedly. Yeah.

Kelli (27:04.089)
Yeah, the party planner.

Gina (27:06.288)
Earrings? I didn't hear anything about earrings.

Kelli (27:09.902)
I didn't hear that.

Gina (27:11.219)
She sold them or had them or they were stolen.

We Wine Whenever (27:14.533)
No, she sold them to get money, allegedly.

Gina (27:18.673)
Well, if she's allegedly selling jewelry, she is hard up. And guess what? Your behavior just got your ass out of a job.

Kelli (27:23.373)
Yeah, things aren't looking good.

Kelli (27:28.089)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (27:28.775)
Well, there's definitely that scene that we didn't get to see that they show us the clip for, and they were arguing about money. And there was another scene that they didn't really follow up with where Dolores and Danielle were talking about how she's crying every day and there's a lot of chaos in the house.

Kelli (27:32.378)
Mm -hmm.

Gina (27:32.818)
Yeah!

Kelli (27:35.919)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:51.717)
And we never got any follow up on that.

Kelli (27:55.109)
think Danielle said something about chaos in the house when she was at Rachel's house talking to her and Melissa. Because then Melissa went home and talked to Joe. I think. Isn't it interesting that they wouldn't let them drink alcohol while they were there?

We Wine Whenever (28:06.172)
Right.

Gina (28:11.665)
I didn't notice that.

Kelli (28:12.974)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (28:13.124)
Well, yeah, because they asked for a who asked for a drink.

Kelli (28:16.057)
I think Teresa and Jen, like that room, I think they asked for, they were like, can we just at least have an espresso martini? And they were like, no, no alcohol.

Gina (28:25.797)
That is weird. Maybe because of what happened with Danielle the week before.

Kelli (28:30.203)
I'm sure it was to lower the possibility of any outbursts. I mean, they already had them separated, which was a good thing, but I guess just for safety protocol.

Gina (28:37.465)
It was also in the early afternoon.

We Wine Whenever (28:37.52)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:40.837)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (28:47.462)
So then when we see the scene where Louie's in the bedroom and he's saying what he said about Margaret's son and Margaret's family, Dolores says what Louie said was wrong. And Theresa starts yelling at Dolores, don't you stick up for her in front of me. Dolores says, I have to tell you, I can't defend Louie. But I mean, come on.

Gina (29:09.105)
Dolores really stood firm on that. Cause that, like I said, I just watched it like an hour ago and she, she was saying, no way, there is no way that I, that you can justify to me that that was, that was the right thing to do. You know, you don't talk about somebody's child.

Kelli (29:12.762)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (29:15.504)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:23.757)
And she says,

And she says, I can stick up for him like you want me to, even with my own son, what they're saying about my own son, but this I can't. And that's when Teresa backed out. That's when Teresa said, you're right. I'll make sure he apologizes. When she brought up her own son Dolores, because I think she was this close to saying what really happened. And I honestly, I...

Gina (29:49.39)
And we all know what happened because it hit the news.

Kelli (29:53.244)
I mean what happened? Like the business just folded like all of his other businesses and he didn't tell Frankie.

We Wine Whenever (29:56.854)
Right. Right.

Gina (29:57.974)
in, Frankie went to work and there was no place. was the doors were locked. They couldn't even get in to get their own thing because this hit the news immediately when it happened way before the reunion that it might have been Gia's boyfriend too.

Kelli (30:02.746)
Right.

Kelli (30:08.677)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:17.391)
Well, he's working for the new company with little Louie, right Wendy? You read that somewhere. Yeah.

Gina (30:20.503)
Yeah. Yeah, that's a real smart business, man. Let's take two kids in their early 20s right out of college and put them in charge of a business. In other words, it's some kind of, it's a shell. It's a shell thing that they're doing. So Louie's doing data mining or something else, Everything I said is allegedly. Just like Jen.

We Wine Whenever (30:21.122)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (30:30.223)
Where's this kid's parents?

We Wine Whenever (30:34.507)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (30:34.605)
Right. Yup, yup.

We Wine Whenever (30:45.485)
You

Kelli (30:49.307)
Exactly. Yep. Yep.

Gina (30:50.634)
for data mining.

Gina (30:55.096)
you know, everything that comes along with that.

We Wine Whenever (30:55.158)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:57.839)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:58.05)
Right.

Kelli (31:01.984)
And Dolores back down. Teresa back, you know, when Teresa was like, all right, all right. And then Dolores just back down, which

We Wine Whenever (31:09.144)
Yeah.

Gina (31:09.336)
You know, Dolores, you know what? Hey, and even asked my question on Watch What Happens Live. That was a thrill. That was a thrill, Kel. I'm laying in bed and I didn't get to bed because I had to watch the show. basically I said, when is Dolores going to stop playing both sides of the fence? And she doubled down that she's not doing that. She is a liar. She's lying. And Dolores, I get it because I

Kelli (31:15.757)
Yes they did.

Kelli (31:34.949)
She... She is a liar!

Gina (31:39.139)
that I've been friends with for 50 years. But my friends wouldn't do anything like Teresa does because I would have dropped them a long time ago. You don't have to stay friends with assholes. Everybody else has dropped Teresa.

Kelli (31:50.32)
Right.

Right.

Gina (31:54.402)
What's the one, what's Caroline Manzo's sister -in -law? Not Dina, Dina and Jacqueline. Jacqueline, Dina. I heard Dina doesn't talk to her barely at all anymore.

Kelli (31:59.003)
Deena. Deena.

We Wine Whenever (32:00.129)
Jackalyn, Jackalyn, Jackalyn.

Kelli (32:09.209)
No, and it was something that happened between Louie and Dina's husband. Joe Gorgas said it on the air and then he apologized for it later because the poor guy, the poor guy David's probably shit in his pants now thinking Louie's gonna come after him because of what Joe Gorgas said. Why is everybody scared of this guy? What does he do?

Gina (32:24.088)
He already got his ass kicked from...

Kelli (32:28.367)
That was from the ex -husband.

Gina (32:30.654)
say allegedly right because that guy was convicted of that yeah yeah i think he's doing jail

Kelli (32:33.261)
I mean that he was found guilty. He was found guilty. And it's interesting. So that's really the rift between Dina and Caroline and Dina and Dolores. Caroline and Dolores wrote letters of character reference letters on Tommy's behalf.

Gina (32:48.588)
Dolores messed up. You didn't have to do that, Dolores. You didn't have to do that. Be a woman, Dolores. Women should be sticking together. You don't write that. You don't write a letter of support to a man who beat the shit out of another woman because she got hit the first time they hit her.

Kelli (32:53.657)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (33:09.123)
Well, I don't think they knew that he did it. I don't believe that they knew he did it. I don't believe that at least Dolores would write that letter. I would hope that Caroline wouldn't, but it's her brother -in -law and we know how she sticks with... I know, know. Listen, I know, but they're estranged, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, there's no defending that. There's no defending that. They shouldn't have wrote the letters.

We Wine Whenever (33:22.633)
But it's her sister!

Gina (33:23.795)
Sister! That's your sister!

Gina (33:32.726)
I heard that... and today I the Manzos are in tax trouble or something?

Kelli (33:38.587)
Is it on the brownstone though? It's not on their personal property. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that, you know.

Gina (33:41.065)
You're brownstone, brownstone, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:46.953)
That happens in business.

Kelli (33:47.107)
It's like a hundred and something thousand dollars. That's probably one year of taxes.

Gina (33:52.417)
It is. No, I was reading it was real estate taxes. It was like $128 ,000. They were in arrears. But it has a crazy amount of tax for Patterson, New Jersey.

Kelli (33:57.091)
Yeah, like they were supposed to be making monthly payments towards it, right? And they weren't. So it accumulated.

Kelli (34:08.687)
Well, it's the brownstone, though.

Gina (34:11.633)
I don't drive through Patterson.

Kelli (34:13.901)
Yeah, no, I don't want to either. And. Yeah. I do want to go to the Patterson Falls, though.

We Wine Whenever (34:15.517)
But it's a commercial property, you know?

Gina (34:17.66)
Yeah.

Gina (34:23.253)
I've been there.

Kelli (34:24.481)
I want to go there. Yeah.

Gina (34:26.375)
amazing. And there used to be a guy years ago, you too young, his name was Johnny Dirt. He was a club promoter. He used to dive into the Passaic River. I was a first day of spring or something every year into that nasty, nasty river. Yeah, Johnny Dirt, look it up. He was a big club promoter up there. And it was a big thing. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (34:39.151)
Come on!

We Wine Whenever (34:40.477)
You

Kelli (34:44.891)
I am gonna look that up. That's hysterical.

All right. Did you guys see the TikTok about Teresa's fake Chanel top at the last dinner?

We Wine Whenever (34:57.831)
I didn't see the TikTok, but Margaret called her out for wearing the fake Chanel. I didn't see the TikTok about it.

Gina (34:58.449)
No!

Gina (35:03.393)
I saw somebody.

Kelli (35:04.045)
I saw it before Margaret said something.

We Wine Whenever (35:09.703)
Well, she said it during the thing, but we just saw it afterwards. that's so funny.

Kelli (35:14.831)
Yeah, that was funny. I mean, she's been accused of of wearing fake before, but I just thought it was funny. Gifting, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:20.431)
And he's been accused of buying fake Cartier. Yeah. Yeah.

Gina (35:23.668)
The bracelets. What did the TikTok say? What was it about?

Kelli (35:28.345)
her Chanel top that she wore to the Last Supper, whatever they're calling it, and that it was fake. And they showed the real one next to the fake one. I mean, listen, I have a lot of negative things to say about Teresa, but her wearing fake Chanel, I got nothing to say about that, because I would, I would wear it.

We Wine Whenever (35:46.524)
you

Gina (35:47.075)
I I do, because that's, you don't wear it on television. That's okay? When you buy a stolen item, that is theft.

Kelli (35:58.747)
That's just a knockoff. It's just somebody else who created something that looked an imitation of. I guess it's a theft of design.

Gina (36:01.885)
It's still theft. It's still theft. It's one thing if you and I wear it. Teresa to wear it on a TV show that's going to draw what 600 ,000 people. Don't move. Don't move. But then again, she's not been known for her intelligence.

Kelli (36:10.722)
Yeah

Kelli (36:15.065)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, she got called out. Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (36:23.484)
Danielle also said that after watching everything back, she's decided now as a 39 -year -old mother of two that she's never ever going to let herself act like that again and react that way.

Gina (36:42.141)
And that's how you learn from your mistakes.

We Wine Whenever (36:45.465)
Yes, hope, listen, I love Danielle, but I feel like that fiery personality, I don't know. I hope she can do it. I hope she can do it.

Kelli (36:48.441)
Mm -hmm.

Gina (36:57.625)
I love her.

Kelli (36:57.915)
would have reacted the same way she did. I would have reacted the same way Danielle did. I... Yeah. And I... Listen, Teresa's been doing that since she's... since the beginning of the show. So although Danielle can look at it and feel a certain way about seeing herself react that way and learn from it, that's great, Danielle. But just know that we know... we understand where you were coming from. We still support you and...

Gina (37:03.703)
I love her bougieness.

We Wine Whenever (37:18.87)
Yeah, absolutely. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (37:25.539)
Yeah!

Kelli (37:27.811)
I would have done the same damn thing.

We Wine Whenever (37:29.165)
Yeah.

Gina (37:30.915)
except I would have kept hitting her with it. I wouldn't have just smacked her once. You don't talk about my husband. You don't talk about my husband. Sorry.

Kelli (37:39.821)
And Jennifer pushed her first at the stupid Tulum party. She pushed her first. So my father always told me, don't start a fight, but if somebody starts with you, finish it. That's right.

We Wine Whenever (37:44.536)
Yes, yes.

Gina (37:49.783)
end it.

We Wine Whenever (37:51.468)
Right. And that's what Jen Fessler was admitting to too, that she, you know, she, she was sticking up for Jen Aiden because then after she saw it back and saw what really happened, you know, she saw a totally different story. And then Jen Fessler at this, you know, you know, watch party, she was finally seeing what happened after she left because she left really early on for that sit down. Yeah. Yeah. And Danielle was saying,

Kelli (38:02.639)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Kelli (38:15.576)
yeah, at the Last Supper, yeah.

Gina (38:19.822)
That was a dumb move.

We Wine Whenever (38:21.941)
Well, listen, I don't think she's cut out for it, to be honest with you. I mean, everyone has said that. Like, that's just not, you know, Margaret didn't really falter for it. Dolores was like, this is just not who she is. You know, that's not her thing.

Kelli (38:36.515)
think she knew what Margaret was going to say about Jackie inviting the ex over to her house and she had seen what happened already and thought this is an even bigger bomb that's going to be dropped and this is going to get crazy and I'm not here for it.

We Wine Whenever (38:42.858)
It could be.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:49.665)
Mm -hmm.

Good -bye.

Gina (38:53.045)
Never would have left to find you there.

We Wine Whenever (38:55.563)
Hahaha!

Kelli (38:56.047)
I wouldn't have laughed. Maybe go in the next room and watch it from afar, but I wouldn't have laughed.

Gina (38:57.345)
No. Yeah. Never ever would I have left. But you know what? I think that cemented her into not coming back.

Kelli (39:08.09)
Probably.

Gina (39:08.249)
If I was Andy or if I was their producers, the only ones coming back were the ones in the fun room minus Fesla. Danielle, Rachel, Melissa and Margaret.

Kelli (39:18.298)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:23.001)
Margaret. Yep, I agree. And did you hear Matt Rogers on Watch What Happens Live?

Gina (39:26.889)
No,

Kelli (39:32.185)
You do, She, if she comes back, she...

We Wine Whenever (39:32.319)
No. No, I don't want her.

Kelli (39:39.393)
She can come back, but it's got to be without Teresa because she Teresa can't come back and Jen Aiden needs to stand on her own because she can't. So let's let's say let's say that.

We Wine Whenever (39:52.202)
don't think Jen Aiden should come back, especially not after how she tormented Danielle. you know, Danielle even says she regrets having her in her house with her children and being around her children because she really was vile. I mean, she was horrible. So I don't think, I don't think she deserves another chance. I don't think she should come back.

Kelli (40:01.573)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:05.612)
She was awful.

Gina (40:12.503)
The only reason I would throw her in there, Wendy, is because we need a villain. And she would be, I would love to see her get chopped off at the ankles. Because from her first show that she was ever on, where she was talking about her mansion with 17 bedrooms that has the best view on the East Coast, she needs to get chopped down. She does. She's gotta go.

We Wine Whenever (40:17.813)
We could get a villain.

Kelli (40:23.984)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:36.773)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:40.825)
How come nobody at this watch party pseudo reunion brought up the fact that Bill Aiden had the same damn surgery as Nate?

Gina (40:48.129)
Did they know at that point?

Kelli (40:49.935)
They had to know. I knew at that point.

Gina (40:53.046)
I mean, his wife obviously knew. Maybe it's the same reason they didn't talk about the bloggers that Jen Aiden and Teresa gave all the info to. What all Teresa did was scream about Margaret giving info to bloggers. When it was her, the blogger is telling us, I talked on the phone to Teresa, I talked on the phone to Margaret, they emailed me everything. They sent the screeners, they took the screeners. I apologize, I apologize, Jen Aiden.

Kelli (40:55.599)
Yeah!

Kelli (41:09.914)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (41:18.246)
Not to Margaret, to Jen Aiden. Yeah.

Gina (41:23.155)
They took the screeners and gave them to bloggers. Screeners. And that's why they don't see the show. They see the show when we see the show. Because of Jen Aiden. But nobody's talking about that.

Kelli (41:27.898)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (41:28.007)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:33.497)
Right.

Didn't John Fuda say at some point during the season, like, think Louie projects on me. I think the things he's doing, he's saying I'm doing. Like he even said, he's like, maybe he sells drugs and that's why he's saying I sell drugs. And what you just said, it's true. Like Teresa was the one feeding the bloggers and she's saying Margaret was doing it. Nobody's come out and said that Margaret's done this by the way. And Teresa keeps saying, I've proof, black and white, black and white.

Gina (41:54.889)
Yeah. And she wouldn't stop.

Kelli (42:05.883)
day, August 13th, 2024, we still do not have proof. We have still not seen proof that anything she's claiming about Margaret happened.

Gina (42:07.356)
don't see it.

Gina (42:15.861)
The was the subpoena.

We Wine Whenever (42:15.943)
I know.

Kelli (42:19.033)
God, who gives a shit?

Gina (42:19.775)
Yeah. Yeah. And then, and she said that they should have arrested her, she didn't show up. No, her lawyer called your lawyer and said, she doesn't know anything. I've had that happen to me. I've worked because of my job. I got subpoenaed all the time. No, didn't know anything, forgot, don't remember. You know?

Kelli (42:33.315)
Yeah. Yep. Yep. And it was a domestic violence situation between the ex and Louie. Like, what the hell is she gonna know about that? She doesn't talk. She didn't know them at the time.

Gina (42:44.201)
How we

Yeah, multiple.

charges against him for women?

Kelli (42:53.263)
I think so, I think the only one, I think Vanessa Riser was the only one who was actually suing him and trying to get a restraining order, shockingly.

Gina (43:00.947)
What kind of idiot dates a man that has that history? All right. When I first saw the video of what do they call that video? The warrior video. I've done a lot of management training. was director of human resources for 45 years. Okay. Did a lot of training, a lot of management training. I've done the yes training. I've done all kinds of trainings. And the minute I saw it, I was like, he's at a training. He's going somewhere. He's doing some type of, of

Kelli (43:09.657)
warrior video.

Gina (43:29.873)
you know, week long, month long training program where he's trying to be a better man. And it looks like he's going because of an issue, you know, to make a relationship better. It didn't look like a work, a work type, but I recognized it right away. And I don't know why they were making a big deal about.

Kelli (43:44.367)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (43:50.929)
because he looks like a lunatic. He looks like a lunatic.

Gina (43:53.074)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (43:56.475)
I mean, the no shirt, the guys behind him, like, ooooh, you know.

We Wine Whenever (44:01.743)
Yeah!

Gina (44:02.097)
People do that all the time. I've been to trainings where we've done that kind of stuff. That's why it didn't seem like such a big deal.

Kelli (44:07.005)
Did you go shirtless cuz I'm do you did you go shirtless?

We Wine Whenever (44:09.04)
Hahaha!

Gina (44:11.109)
hear a great story? We did this trust walk where we were at a hotel indoor pool where you have your coworker blindfolded and you walk them around the pool so that they you know know that you could trust you. I pushed my friend in the pool and I said don't trust anybody.

Gina (44:30.427)
And that's the truth. And that's... He.

Kelli (44:30.917)
That's a, that's great. That's great.

We Wine Whenever (44:33.243)
Was she pissed? was he pissed?

Gina (44:37.585)
Nah, not too bad.

We Wine Whenever (44:39.216)
Yeah, probably because it was a guy. If you did that to a girl and you screwed up her hair.

Gina (44:41.328)
Yeah, this was 1981, 82, things were different back then. The 1980s, if you remember them, you weren't there.

Kelli (44:42.573)
Yeah. Yeah. Different story.

We Wine Whenever (44:52.953)
Hahaha!

Kelli (44:52.963)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (44:56.779)
So then at the end, Melissa says that she feels relieved after everything. Like she's, you know, she feels like she's done with this chapter. She doesn't have anything to say. She had said her piece at the reunion the year prior when, you know, Teresa said, I, know, I'm never going to see you again and you're done. And I feel that way for her too. I could feel that she has this like weight lifted off her shoulders. And Teresa says that she feels vindicated. I mean,

Kelli (45:15.704)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (45:26.383)
I just don't know where or how she could feel vindicated.

Kelli (45:30.74)
She's not vindicated, so she shouldn't feel vindicated, but she's delusional, so she's gonna say she feels vindicated.

We Wine Whenever (45:34.223)
Exactly.

Gina (45:38.81)
Just like that guy I saw at that party on Saturday. I had a bunch of parties this weekend. I say, you're an idiot. What are you watching? Which show are you watching?

Kelli (45:50.107)
Seriously. Did you hear Dolores say after they showed the scene about Jen, you know, saying the thing about Nate with, you know, with the boobs and Dolores is like, what's the big deal? That wasn't a big deal.

Gina (46:00.56)
room.

We Wine Whenever (46:00.619)
huh.

Gina (46:04.324)
The surgery meaning that the.

We Wine Whenever (46:06.627)
saying that he had.

Kelli (46:06.829)
that when Jen Aiden said to Danielle, you know, your husband's got the boobs or whatever and Danielle reaches across the table and you wear the bra and Dolores's reaction was, what's the big deal Jen? That wasn't terrible or whatever she said. It's like, what? yeah. Then you, when, when Frank Catania senior called Paulie Buzz Lightyear, you flipped out. He fucking does look like Buzz Lightyear, Paulie. So, and she flipped out about that. Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (46:12.717)
and you wear the bra.

Gina (46:20.974)
The surgery...

We Wine Whenever (46:23.316)
making that comment.

Gina (46:24.972)
Gina (46:33.07)
I don't know what she sees in him. I don't know what she sees in him.

Kelli (46:36.323)
But it wasn't terrible that Jen Aiden brought up the fact that the guy had to have breast reduction surgery? Like, come on, Dolores.

Gina (46:42.67)
Was Dolores referring to the fact that the surgery in itself is nothing to make fun of?

Kelli (46:49.461)
Like she said, what's the big deal? What you said wasn't that bad. That's what she said.

Gina (46:54.633)
okay.

We Wine Whenever (46:56.31)
Because it's not like she said he had the surgery. She said, he's got the boobs and you wear the bra. Implying that, you know, he still has them. it wasn't, there was never any, you know, talk. Absolutely. Uncalled for, uncalled for.

Kelli (47:01.11)
Exactly.

Kelli (47:08.539)
We're just making fun of his physical appearance, you know.

Like you were you were not attractive before your husband did all that plastic surgery on you.

Gina (47:19.672)
She still isn't. I mean, she's not ugly, but she's not, you know, she's no supermodel. And her husband didn't do the surgery. She went to Turkey and had a stranger do it. Remember that? The nose job?

Kelli (47:21.582)
Agreed!

Kelli (47:26.584)
No.

Kelli (47:32.037)
her nose, but I think everything else, the liposuction, whatever she's doing to her body, cause she is snatched, let's face it, but it's all plastic surgery. when she is on Ozempic. That's right. That's right. She's definitely Manjaro. That's right. Yeah. And then, and then Jen and Dolores.

Gina (47:38.776)
Zephyk. Yeah.

No, Manjaro. Manjaro.

And can I mention something about

Something about semantics. don't know. Somebody must have mentioned it. You know how Louis keeps saying he didn't call Dolores's Margaret's son at work? You know why he's saying that? He didn't call the work number. He called his cell phone.

Kelli (48:00.547)
Margaret -san? Yeah.

Kelli (48:08.793)
No, I thought they said he called the office. Yeah. Yeah.

Gina (48:09.195)
because

We Wine Whenever (48:09.48)
No, it was the work number. It was definitely the work number. It was not the cell phone. No. No, it was his work number.

Gina (48:12.53)
No, I thought, I thought he called his cell phone. Okay, I'm wrong. Good. I'm glad I'm wrong because that makes it worse. It makes it a lot worse.

Kelli (48:16.942)
No.

Kelli (48:21.069)
It does make it worse because those spoof phone calls were only going to cell phones. They weren't going to landlines and that was a landline. And that's what they kept saying over and over again. And then showing the piece of paper with the phone number. This is a landline, not a cell phone number. Cause those spoof phone calls were only going to cell phones. Yep. Yep. And then Jen and Dolores talking about accountability, why accountability is so important in front of Teresa. Like, what do you, yeah.

Gina (48:34.668)
okay. Okay, I got you. Thank you. Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (48:35.508)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:49.3)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:50.875)
Like you're,

We Wine Whenever (48:52.522)
It's like the blind, blind leading the blind.

Kelli (48:53.985)
Anybody who sits exactly exactly

Gina (48:57.036)
Dolores way from one of my favorites to my one of my least favorite

Kelli (49:02.245)
Totally agree with you.

Gina (49:03.998)
And you said the baseball games this weekend?

Kelli (49:06.735)
tomorrow.

tomorrow.

Gina (49:10.986)
And they're not filming.

We Wine Whenever (49:13.396)
They're not filming and Teresa's in Greece still, right?

Gina (49:17.345)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:18.201)
Are they definitely not, no, they're not filming.

We Wine Whenever (49:20.786)
No, they're not filming. It's not going to be filmed.

Kelli (49:25.139)
I she gets it. mean, it's I do give Dolores credit for all of her charity work. So I do hope she gets a good turnout for that reason.

We Wine Whenever (49:34.632)
I'm sure Melissa will go. I think so, yeah. Although, you know, I just saw -

Kelli (49:38.948)
Are they back from Italy?

Gina (49:39.262)
Would Teresa not there? Would Teresa might be back though.

mean, how much trade vacation does she get? Because you know they're not paying for these vacations they go on.

Kelli (49:51.941)
How are they going on them then?

Gina (49:53.339)
Influencer trades.

We Wine Whenever (49:57.518)
Interesting. I saw that.

Gina (49:59.965)
That's how Jeff Lewis just went to that spa.

Kelli (50:03.46)
that's right. He did. That's right. He did.

We Wine Whenever (50:08.06)
I saw that Rachel, John Fuder just had his gallbladder taken out.

Gina (50:13.043)
is that why he was in the hospital?

We Wine Whenever (50:14.534)
Yeah, he had his gallbladder taken out. He went to the hospital because he was having pains.

Kelli (50:18.361)
I thought they did that because she was talking about it. I thought he did that like while they were filming.

We Wine Whenever (50:23.898)
No, no, it just happened.

Gina (50:25.799)
She had it on Instagram. She put a picture of him laying there and said something, but didn't really say where he was and why he was there. I mean, you he was in the hospital, but.

Kelli (50:35.255)
Right. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (50:35.814)
And then she, was watching her on TikTok, because she talks about like what's going on in her day. And she just went on and explained everything that had happened. So he just had his gallbladder taken out. I mean, I know, I know. I don't know if she's gonna, I don't know if she wants to come back.

Gina (50:49.575)
love she's pregnant

Kelli (50:57.721)
bet you he doesn't want her to come back unless Theresa and Louis are gone. Why? why? They don't need the money.

We Wine Whenever (51:03.056)
Right.

Now.

Gina (51:06.289)
season paycheck is a little too good to throw away. I mean that's where you're getting six figures.

Kelli (51:11.351)
Yeah, but I don't think if Teresa and Louie come back, I don't think if Teresa and Louie come back, they'll come back. They don't need the money. No.

We Wine Whenever (51:18.064)
Like they don't need it. Yeah. I mean, she's got those two beautiful little girls. She's having another baby. She doesn't need this.

Kelli (51:25.198)
Nope.

Gina (51:25.457)
And I would bet Theresa needs it because I would bet that's the only paycheck they have coming in.

Kelli (51:30.789)
She definitely needs it, Teresa. She definitely needs it. I don't think the Gorgas need it. I mean, I think that Danielle always wanted to be, you know, famous. you know, I think she kind of admits that, you know, but I don't think if it jeopardized their marriage that Nate and Danielle would continue doing it. And it's, if Teresa and Louie come back, it's stressful. It's just like what Matt Rogers said. Teresa is married to a dark, creepy,

guy. So if she's on the show, her storyline is going to be dark and creepy. He told Andy he was talking about when Dolores went into the fun room and he said you could he was on Watch What Happens Live. Let me. Yeah. With Bowen. But they just called them Bowen. I don't know what his first name is. Yeah. But it was a good episode. And he was saying, like when you could tell when Dolores walked into that room.

Gina (52:11.482)
see on with.

We Wine Whenever (52:13.246)
Bowen with Matt Bowen. No, not Matt. What's his name? It's not, it's not Matt Bowen. Yeah. Yeah. They have a podcast together.

Gina (52:16.303)
Okay.

Gina (52:21.093)
Okay, I gotta watch that, I didn't see that.

Kelli (52:29.837)
shoulders dropped, like she was happy, she was smiling, and he said to Andy, that's your cast next year. Everybody in that room plus Dolores, that's your cast. Like basically get rid of Teresa, Jackie and Jennifer.

We Wine Whenever (52:35.375)
Mm -hmm.

That's what he said.

Gina (52:43.201)
You notice that the guests are finally having enough chutzpah to say, get rid of Teresa, because before they all knew that Andy loved her and they would never say that to him because nobody wants to piss Andy off. But you got to tell Andy the truth because he's living in this glass bubble. And if everybody keeps, you know, it's like, it the emperor of the new clothes. Everybody keeps telling him he's going to continue to believe it. He needs a little bit of reality, Andy.

Kelli (52:48.729)
Yes. Yes.

Gina (53:12.908)
And now that he has children and that hit home, that comment that, slimy Louie made about Margaret's son. Why would he have to say that? Why? I don't understand.

Kelli (53:12.987)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:18.659)
Louis mate.

Kelli (53:28.251)
And Teresa just defended him until finally Dolores got through to her at some point, but she just kept defending him. It's like, what are you doing?

Gina (53:31.937)
-huh.

We Wine Whenever (53:38.775)
Well, I did listen to Gabrielle talk about that and she said that Teresa called her that night that they filmed. Yes, yes, yes. She said that Teresa called her and she was like so upset and beside herself because she was begging production to not air it. And she was like, she knew how bad it was and you know, she didn't get her way.

Gina (53:39.086)
those.

Kelli (53:44.677)
Mm

Gina (53:44.748)
You're saying me Gabrielle Melissa's old nose. Okay.

Kelli (53:47.546)
Right.

Gina (53:58.326)
Yep.

Gina (54:05.784)
Dumb as a stump, Teresa is.

Kelli (54:08.869)
And the thing is is that I think...

Gina (54:10.34)
And that's why they call themselves tree stumps, because they all know she's dumb as a stump.

Kelli (54:13.647)
Well, I think they call themselves tree huggers. think I think Margaret came up with the tree stump thing out of reunion, right? Yeah. But I think for a long time, people just believed what Teresa said. So and producers always did her a solid. But I think after the hair pull with Margaret. All bets were off with production. So they're not going to protect her anymore.

We Wine Whenever (54:16.503)
We... Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

Gina (54:18.623)
okay.

Gina (54:30.147)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (54:34.871)
Mm

Gina (54:40.866)
Meh.

Kelli (54:41.989)
Too bad they protected her back in the day when she was setting Melissa up for stripper gait. They definitely were protecting her then.

Gina (54:48.065)
And that's what pisses me off is that Kim D went to the dark side. Kim D was my girl. I know, I know. Did I send you the video Kim D did for my girlfriend, the cameo?

Kelli (54:51.88)
yeah. Kim D is going to go to any side that's going to give her attention.

Kelli (55:00.985)
Yeah, yeah. I think we posted it, right? We posted it on Instagram and Facebook. really? we have to do that. Your friend said it's okay, right? Okay. I might read Kim D's book though, I'm not gonna lie. I don't like that she's... Yeah, it did sound good. I love all that shit. Like I have all the skinny domado books, you know that?

Gina (55:04.663)
Is it?

We Wine Whenever (55:06.122)
think we did post it.

Yeah.

Gina (55:11.661)
Yeah, I believe she did.

Gina (55:18.753)
What's it about? yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounded good.

I'll get it.

We Wine Whenever (55:25.461)
I know.

Kelli (55:30.555)
That attorney in AC, Paul DiMatto, and his uncle was Skinny DiMatto, and he had the 500 Club where the Rat Pack used to go. I have all those books.

Gina (55:38.231)
live down here.

that there's, there's another book, I have to look upstairs, there's another guy that wrote a book about that from a different he owned, or he worked at the 500 club. That was a good book, too. I think I have that upstairs. I'll look for it I'll bring it this weekend. But Atlantic City, that's I tell people, watch Boardwalk Empire, because Atlantic City, I've been living down here 30 plus years, and the biggest mistake they made was kicking the mob out of Atlantic City.

Kelli (55:54.851)
Yeah. Okay.

Kelli (56:10.649)
Yeah.

Gina (56:11.134)
because that was a decent city when they were here. They knew how to run it. And now the crooked politicians and the crooked this one and that one, it's just a mess. It's really a mess. Every day there's a shooting.

Kelli (56:14.917)
Mm

Kelli (56:22.479)
Did you ever go to, did you ever go to GNS market when it was there?

Gina (56:27.462)
G and S in Atlantic City?

Kelli (56:29.211)
Yeah, when Eric and I first started dating in 1999, it was right in the city. It was right near that 7 -eleven.

Gina (56:37.034)
We don't go to Atlantic City. When you go to, even if you live here, no, you go to the casino and then you go home.

Kelli (56:39.675)
It was GNS market.

Kelli (56:45.443)
We used to go to this place, GNS Market. They had the best sandwich. It was called a Brooklyn. It was Berjoult and sharp provolone with roasted red peppers and balsamic vinegar. It was so good. And then they had the best pasta vasul.

Gina (56:55.816)
That sounds good. We have a place down here, Primos. We have a place down here, Primos, that has stuff like that. But if we go to Atlantic City for sandwiches, it's usually just the White House, the Sub's place. Yeah, Atlantic City has some good food, but honestly, don't go anywhere in Atlantic City. It's not a good place.

Kelli (57:07.117)
White House. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to White House, too, yeah.

Kelli (57:15.267)
Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

We Wine Whenever (57:18.054)
Okay, so this is it for New Jersey. We're just going to have to wait and see what happens. We're going have to wait until we hear from Andy or Bravo or Bravo Andy. And, you know, we're moving on to what do you have to say?

Gina (57:18.43)
you

Kelli (57:20.559)
That's it.

Gina (57:31.431)
I have one thing to say, Rachel Fuda, bad hot dog lips. I'm still laughing. I'm still laughing.

We Wine Whenever (57:37.564)
hahahaha

Kelli (57:40.675)
Excellent line, excellent line. The flash to Melissa's face to see her reaction was amazing.

Gina (57:47.294)
was doing Melissa imitations practicing before. How she was standing like this. Couldn't get it right.

Kelli (57:53.923)
Yes, yes. But the flower arrangement, I'm sorry. The delivery of the flower arrangement. I'm so sorry for the loss of your dignity. It just that is a mic drop moment. mean.

We Wine Whenever (57:54.238)
you

Gina (57:58.27)
UHHHH

Gina (58:02.026)
All season.

Gina (58:08.934)
It eclipsed the table drop.

Kelli (58:10.939)
100%. 100%. I mean, dare I say Marge is the queen of Jersey after that.

Gina (58:19.422)
She is the queen, you're right Kel, number one, and that's the group that should come back, was that group down there minus Jen Fessler.

Kelli (58:23.321)
She took it. Yes.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (58:28.708)
know if I'd give her queen of Jersey. I mean that that was a good move. No, I'm not giving it to Teresa, but that doesn't mean I'm giving it to Margaret either.

Kelli (58:31.971)
With that move!

Gina (58:34.032)
You are - You're gonna give it to Teresa?

Gina (58:41.679)
Danielle?

Kelli (58:41.923)
I just think with that move, with that move.

We Wine Whenever (58:43.5)
No, not Danielle. Listen.

Gina (58:46.8)
Yael is my rising star. I love her. Love, love, Love, Rachel.

We Wine Whenever (58:48.93)
I love Daniel. I love Rachel.

Kelli (58:52.281)
Me too. I honestly, everyone in that room, I'm down with. I don't even care if they bring Jen Fessler back. She's got to be a friend of though, because she can't. We just need a friend of. It's too much for her. Right.

Gina (59:01.981)
She can't hold the full tub. There's nothing to hold. We shouldn't give a pizza pizza or something. But those ladies, man, they put up with a lot of shit with Teresa this year. And Melissa should get triple the salary for having to deal with that girl. I don't know how she has dealt with her since the day she met her brother. God bless.

Kelli (59:10.255)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (59:10.854)
Hahaha!

Kelli (59:23.181)
all these years.

Gina (59:28.528)
Joe putting up with his sister like that. I'm so glad she's out of his life.

Kelli (59:32.419)
Somebody said something on social media today about him. You know, maybe if he maybe if he didn't pick his wife over his pick, yeah, pick his wife over his sister. And I, you know, I have to stop. I know I have to stop commenting, but I'm like, that's his wife and she's a good wife. He did the right thing. Facebook. Not on our stuff. mean, people are commenting on our stuff, too. That was not our stuff. That was on like, you know, some Real Housewives.

Gina (59:44.529)
No.

Gina (59:47.822)
She's a very good wife. Where are these people commenting on TikTok?

Kelli (01:00:01.803)
age but I loved it when the people were like you must be getting paid I'm like yeah we're getting paid

Gina (01:00:02.022)
Yeah.

Gina (01:00:09.488)
Yeah, yeah.

I wonder where Melissa's old nose is gonna go. She still has more stuff.

Kelli (01:00:16.26)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:17.805)
Well, her and Chrissy Ball said that they may continue. They want to still work together.

Gina (01:00:22.916)
the balls is last when I didn't hear it I was listening to velvet rope this week but

Kelli (01:00:28.835)
Yeah, I'll still listen to it because, you know, I want to know, like I want to hear what's coming out and then.

Gina (01:00:35.846)
I have a favorite ear.

Kelli (01:00:38.519)
I just want to know and then especially to see what Bravo chooses to do because if all this stuff keeps coming out about Teresa talking to bloggers and they let her come back, listen, just give her a spin on. They shouldn't let her do anything. They should just fire her from the network because of she doesn't.

Gina (01:00:55.374)
think she deserves a spinoff at this point. After what Louis said? Nope.

Kelli (01:01:01.763)
She doesn't. But give her one and let the rest of the ladies carry Jersey. Because let's see her fan base show up for her.

Gina (01:01:08.09)
It's a good way to get rid of her. We did it with Manzo.

Gina (01:01:15.574)
She has a fan base. I really don't like I said that one person on Saturday that I saw Mostly most everybody can can see her through her lies Because she doesn't shut up. She just just steamrolls Okay, she just steamrolls. She doesn't let you talk. No, you're liar. You're liar. You're Here it is. Here's proof Jackie told you that she had this woman. it's okay Jackie

We Wine Whenever (01:01:15.576)
I agree.

Kelli (01:01:27.525)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:01:32.847)
That's it. That's it.

Gina (01:01:45.228)
I know you hated me. I know you didn't go to the blog. I know that's all you do is have her at your house. It nauseated me. It nauseated me.

Kelli (01:01:51.065)
Yeah. She's too stupid to hold a conversation. So she just repeats herself over and over and over again. And then just basically to exhaust the other person into not talking anymore.

Gina (01:02:04.62)
Now, the Watch What Happens Live that had the Teresa imitator. Let's hire her. Andy, hire her to do Teresa. How great would that be?

Kelli (01:02:09.242)
Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:15.639)
I told the husbands they should get her to open for them down in Atlantic City.

Gina (01:02:19.994)
That's genius, Wendy, that's genius. how great would it be? What are they doing? What are we doing for two hours?

Kelli (01:02:20.409)
Yes.

Yep, yep.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:26.347)
That'd be hysterical.

Kelli (01:02:31.415)
Is the show two hours?

Gina (01:02:31.884)
do? I don't know. just you know, most comedy shows are an hour and a half to two hours. I'm wondering, do these guys do comedy? Or do they just get up and take questions or?

We Wine Whenever (01:02:40.426)
Well, last time we went, Kelly and I went to this two years ago and Joe does a little comedy, he does stand up and I saw him do stand up in Princeton. I looked, it was in October and then the other guys came out and they did like questions. Like they asked, know, they took questions from the audience.

Kelli (01:02:46.49)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:02:52.973)
Yeah.

Gina (01:03:02.784)
Okay.

Kelli (01:03:04.035)
Yeah, yeah. And then the wives came out.

Gina (01:03:06.487)
You know, there's still tickets on sale.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:07.508)
Yeah.

I know.

Kelli (01:03:10.797)
I know, because we were telling Lori she should come with us.

Gina (01:03:12.631)
Yeah, the seats, right near us, they're like for 50 bucks, but there's no meet and greet with it. Just a seat, you know, like maybe about 10 rows back, like behind us or wherever.

Kelli (01:03:27.461)
I wonder if Lori would want to do that.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:30.335)
Lori doesn't want to go.

Kelli (01:03:31.759)
Lori doesn't want to go. I keep trying to rope her in. I know.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:34.217)
Yeah, she doesn't want to go. And it's not like she... Eh, sometimes.

Gina (01:03:36.417)
She's watching the show now though, right?

Kelli (01:03:40.397)
Yeah, she's watching the old episodes, so we might start recapping the old episodes.

Gina (01:03:46.41)
medicine.

Kelli (01:03:48.001)
I don't. Do you, Wendy?

We Wine Whenever (01:03:49.109)
I tried to watch it. I tried to watch it. I couldn't watch it. It just, was unwatchable for me. Cause I love Phaedra.

Gina (01:03:53.527)
Try it again. You know what? Start watching the new I hate Phaedra.

Kelli (01:03:57.369)
I know Gina loves it!

We Wine Whenever (01:04:00.211)
I love Phaedra. I love Phaedra.

Kelli (01:04:01.819)
Well, do you hate her because of how she is on Married to Medicine?

Gina (01:04:03.265)
hate her. I hate her.

I'll tell you why I hate Phaedra. I hate Phaedra because she should be... I would have had her ass arrested. She told...

Gina (01:04:17.107)
that Candy and her husband were gonna drug her and have sex with her. That's what she said. We all saw it. We all saw it. How is she back on the show?

We Wine Whenever (01:04:22.363)
I I watched it. I watched it.

Kelli (01:04:29.805)
I know. I agree. I do agree. The only reason she's back is because Candy left. She would...they would never let...

Gina (01:04:32.105)
That is...

She broke

We Wine Whenever (01:04:35.814)
No, she's back because Kenya got kicked out. That's why she's back.

Kelli (01:04:39.083)
Right, but I'm saying if Candy were still there, there's no way she'd be back.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:42.447)
No, there's no way she'd get back. right.

Gina (01:04:44.191)
Wait, she was on Married to Medicine when Candy was on Atlanta. Sorry. And she was on that other show, she was horrible, I hated it, Traders or something.

Kelli (01:04:48.431)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:48.701)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:55.537)
Yeah, I didn't watch that. She was also on Dubai the first season. She made

Kelli (01:04:55.787)
I don't watch any of those.

Gina (01:04:57.661)
It's horrible. She was on Dubai. It was like she was going anywhere. Who will have me? Who will have me? You know what? I'll move to Dubai, married to medicine. said she was dating a doctor and nobody saw him.

Kelli (01:05:05.828)
Yeah, exactly.

Gina (01:05:17.362)
and appear.

Kelli (01:05:18.715)
Talk about thirsty, huh?

Gina (01:05:20.617)
you see what I just did? If I wanted to do that, I couldn't have done it. I threw the pen up in the air and it landed in my water cup.

Kelli (01:05:31.161)
Magic tricks now, cousin Gina.

Gina (01:05:33.331)
never have done that if I tried but no I don't like Pager she never should have been allowed back to the show and if I was Portia I would have I would have filed I would if I was candy I would have filed lawsuit charges against her

Kelli (01:05:45.965)
agree with you, but now wait a minute. Is she going to be on the show with Portia? Because Portia's back.

Gina (01:05:49.457)
Mm -hmm. Yep Yeah, but Portia was Portia never really had a problem with her. Yeah Portia's an idiot because I would not have been okay with her. She was setting your ass up And then I hate Kenya and I'm glad she's gone

We Wine Whenever (01:05:53.575)
think her and Portia were okay. Yeah, they were okay.

Kelli (01:06:00.397)
Yeah, I mean, not that serious,

Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (01:06:09.907)
I try not to hate. I don't like to be so extreme.

Gina (01:06:12.794)
You're right, I'm using hate in the wrong way. When I say hate, I mean dislike. You're right. When I say hate, mean I don't like them. But it's just a shorter word.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:15.089)
You

Kelli (01:06:16.949)
used to use hate too and then Wendy would say that and I'm like alright alright

We Wine Whenever (01:06:23.97)
Okay. yeah, I, I usually say I'm not a fan of, so I'm not a, I was not a fan of Kenya. Not a fan of Kenya. Like I said, I do love Phaedra. I like her quick, quick wit. I like that she's an attorney. I like that she's a mortician. I like that she has her son, Mr. President and the prince. I like her sip and see. mean,

Kelli (01:06:24.547)
Right. Right.

Gina (01:06:33.188)
Yep.

Kelli (01:06:50.773)
I do like how she calls her sons those names.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:53.496)
like her pomp and circumstance. Like there's more about her I like than that I don't like. So that's why I like her.

Kelli (01:06:59.577)
Yeah. Yeah.

Gina (01:07:01.074)
She's a she's a she's just like she seems really slimy crooked to me like I wouldn't trust her

Kelli (01:07:09.519)
Well, think that, I mean, I think that she has some, I don't think she's the most ethical person. And I don't mean that about her with like business. And as far as being a lawyer, I'm sure she's a very ethical lawyer. just mean, she knows how to do reality TV. Let's face it. Cause what she did worked. Cause she got back on the show she wanted to be on. Right.

Gina (01:07:18.672)
no problem with people that aren't ethical.

Gina (01:07:31.875)
She sure did. And do know what's going on now? It's a Tom Girardi trial.

We Wine Whenever (01:07:33.423)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (01:07:37.807)
I thought that it was starting. Why?

Gina (01:07:39.652)
It's not getting any press.

We Wine Whenever (01:07:41.454)
Why?

Gina (01:07:42.914)
I don't know, I'm listening to a podcast about it right now. Hold on a second, I'll tell you.

What it is.

Kelli (01:07:49.849)
Why aren't they, why aren't, why isn't anybody talking about this?

Gina (01:07:53.454)
It's been going on all week and nobody's talking about it. go back to August 7th behind the velvet rope with David Yon T has Kimberly Archie on. I didn't know this, but this is part one from August 7th because I went on today and I saw talking about it. And he basically said, everybody, this is part two, go back and listen to part one. So I just turned it on, but it sounds like

Kelli (01:07:56.417)
Stupid election in the stupid Olympics!

Gina (01:08:23.514)
they're in the preliminary, you know, with jury selection and all of that, you know, the voir dire and

Kelli (01:08:26.927)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Gina (01:08:30.82)
But they said Erica is not a part of the trial. She won't even be there.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:31.96)
That would explain

I was gonna say, but I've heard that Erica is not really having such a great season right now, because they are filming.

Kelli (01:08:43.995)
So she's being very defen - I saw something where she's being very defensive with the producers, like they must have asked her a question about it and she was like, I don't know, look it up. Like, you know how she gets.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:53.782)
Yeah, which I don't blame her, especially if he's on trial right now. especially... Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (01:08:56.931)
And especially if she's not a part of it, like first of all, she can't talk about it. And

Gina (01:09:01.954)
She gave a lot after he was arrested. She gave a lot.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:07.084)
Yeah. And I also heard that Dory is not very kind this season because of everything that's going on with PK and her.

Gina (01:09:14.969)
Did you see her picture?

Kelli (01:09:15.021)
Yeah.

Gina (01:09:19.658)
I heard that. was that? Watch What Happens Live something. But I saw a photo. Marcel said it on Jeff Lewis. That's where we heard

Kelli (01:09:20.025)
Now what picture?

Garcelle said it somewhere.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:24.598)
Yeah, on Jeff Lewis. Yeah. Yeah, Garcell and Jeff Lewis.

Kelli (01:09:27.024)
Yeah.

Gina (01:09:29.91)
what was I just saying? We were talking about, I saw a photo of Dorit there on a, on a trip, on a cast trip and she's in a bathing suit. She looks horrible. She's skin and bones, all skin and bones. And it's not, it's not attractive skinny. It's like sick skinny.

Kelli (01:09:42.831)
He does.

I mean...

It's probably stress for her. I'm really hoping she's not on Ozempic because she certainly didn't need it.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:54.845)
No, she certainly did not.

Gina (01:09:55.508)
If the doctor gave her ozempic, he should have his license taken away from him.

Kelli (01:09:59.543)
agreed agreed actually the same thing goes for Teresa whoever gave her Ozempic should lose their license because she's I mean she she goes to the gym obviously so she didn't need it and she does not look good either I don't know what these women are doing

Gina (01:10:16.462)
I have it, but I haven't taken it.

Kelli (01:10:19.908)
You haven't?

You gonna start?

Gina (01:10:25.026)
Nah, because it's not, I don't think I want to deal with too many problems. Too many health issues, you know? I just hear not so good stuff about it.

Kelli (01:10:35.002)
Yeah.

Gina (01:10:37.152)
I didn't have a problem getting it. You know.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:40.395)
Maybe that's for another episode.

Gina (01:10:43.958)
No, I'm overweight. You you get it if you're overweight and you have, you know, you have sugar issues.

Kelli (01:10:44.091)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:10:50.479)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:50.741)
thought you had some black market thing we were talking about.

Gina (01:10:53.356)
No,

We Wine Whenever (01:11:00.619)
Hahaha!

Kelli (01:11:06.447)
I know I can get it. My doctor said, because I'm pre -diabetic, I'm overweight, you know, I can definitely get it, but I'm with you. I'm kind of on the fence going back and forth about it.

Gina (01:11:09.86)
Yeah.

Gina (01:11:14.922)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:11:17.962)
Okay, until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (01:11:18.181)
We'll see.

Kelli (01:11:23.958)
I'm Kelly.

Gina (01:11:24.299)
Thank you ladies for having me.

Kelli (01:11:28.407)
Of course, this was fun. Yeah. Can't wait for Saturday. No. All right. Don't go anywhere. Keep doing that. Keep trying to use the mouse.

We Wine Whenever (01:11:28.531)
Thank you for joining us.

We Wine Whenever (01:11:33.981)
Bye.