"The Swinging Scandal: Taylor’s Truth Unraveled"

  "The Swinging Scandal: Taylor’s Truth Unraveled"

"The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: S1 E1 The First Book of Taylor"

The podcast delves into the lives of Taylor Frankie Paul and her fellow Mormon MomTok influencers, focusing on the fallout from a scandal involving swinging within the group. Taylor, a social media influencer and key member of the MomTok community, shares her personal experiences, including her strict Mormon upbringing, early marriage, divorce, and the dramatic events that unfolded within the group.

MomTok started as a collective of Mormon mothers who created viral TikTok content, amassing millions of followers. Behind the scenes, the group faced turmoil as it was revealed that some members engaged in "soft swinging." Taylor publicly exposed the swinging arrangement, leading to widespread controversy and fractured relationships within the group. Other members like Mayci, Whitney, Demi, and Jenn also share their perspectives, navigating the challenges of their marriages, motherhood, and public personas.

The episode focuses on Taylor's personal journey post-divorce, her relationship with her new boyfriend Dakota, and the tensions with her mother over her lifestyle choices. Whitney opens up about her husband Connor’s struggles with a porn addiction, and Taylor reveals her own struggles, including a pregnancy and subsequent miscarriage, which adds further strain to the group dynamics.

The episode culminates in a confrontation between Taylor and Dakota, ending in a domestic violence incident that results in Taylor’s arrest.

Takeaways

• The show highlights the contrast between Mormon doctrine and culture.
• Social media plays a significant role in shaping the cast's lives.
• Controversies can arise quickly in the world of reality TV.
• Personal struggles are often magnified in public settings.
• The dynamics of friendship can shift dramatically under pressure.
• The portrayal of women in reality TV can be both empowering and problematic.
• Cultural representation in media can influence public perception.
• The impact of scandals can have lasting effects on relationships.
• Reality TV often blurs the lines between entertainment and authenticity.
• The evolution of personal identities is a central theme in the series.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:01.005)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.858)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.751)
and I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:06.55)
We are talking about the secret lives of Mormon wives, the Hulu reality docu -series. I don't know what we're calling it, but it is, the first episode is called the first book of Taylor because we find out that the, the, the creator of this mom talk is Taylor Frankie Paul. And she was a social media influencer.

And she started this thing called Mom Talk.

Kelli (00:39.069)
Now, had you guys ever heard of this before, by the way? Me neither. And I feel like we're on TikTok a lot.

We Wine Whenever (00:41.11)
No. No. No.

We Wine Whenever (00:41.718)
I had not. I had not.

We Wine Whenever (00:46.254)
Yeah, no. Never saw them.

We Wine Whenever (00:46.53)
We are.

No, wasn't in our algorithm.

Kelli (00:52.881)
It was not in the algorithm. They're all unbelievably gorgeous, All of them.

We Wine Whenever (00:53.053)
No, no, but it's, it's.

Yes, there's a lot going on there though. There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on there.

We Wine Whenever (00:59.192)
They are, they're beautiful.

Kelli (01:03.668)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:08.301)
So we start out where we, like I said, we meet Taylor, Frankie, Paul. I don't know why she has three names. I don't know. I don't know. But we find out that they have a lot of rules to follow, which we kind of knew about the Mormons, that they have rules. No swearing, no tattoos, no alcohol. Their body is a temple. They're not allowed to have sex before marriage.

Kelli (01:16.18)
Peace.

We Wine Whenever (01:16.536)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (01:35.853)
They're expected to have children before age 21, but I've heard a couple people say that that is not exactly true.

Kelli (01:43.475)
Well, I've heard people say that a lot of what they said is doctrine is not true.

We Wine Whenever (01:48.125)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:49.05)
Well, there is a lot of issue and we can kind of talk about it maybe towards the end with what is Mormon church doctrine and what is Mormon culture. So there's a lot of kind of crossover. So this series is about do all these girls have Mormon background and they all are married and they all have, God bless you. And they all have.

Kelli (02:03.849)
Will that

Kelli (02:13.215)
Excuse me, sorry. Thank you, sorry.

We Wine Whenever (02:17.722)
They all have children. So that's the commonality between them. And then like Wendy said, this Taylor girl started doing some TikToks with some, you know, dancing and blah, blah, blah. And it originally started out with, Wendy sent me a really great TikTok. I didn't know anything about it I did a lot of research.

Kelli (02:44.691)
There was only four of them to begin with, right?

We Wine Whenever (02:46.864)
Well, to begin with, yeah, to begin with in three in 2020, there was three and one of the girls is not even in it anymore. That was from the original.

We Wine Whenever (02:47.21)
Three, there's only three.

Kelli (02:59.335)
Is that Michaela or Mary?

We Wine Whenever (03:01.747)
No, it's Camille.

We Wine Whenever (03:01.794)
Nope. Some girl coming out.

Kelli (03:04.159)
Because I had here that Whitney, Mary, Michaela and Taylor started it. But I so you so you did a deeper dive because that's what they said in the show. They said those four started it. So they're just keeping this girl's name out of it completely.

We Wine Whenever (03:17.169)
I but when we saw

Well, because she was, yeah, she was supposedly the one that was involved in the swinger scandal with Taylor. Yes. So she chose not to like go forward with this mom talk. So they're not, they're not mentioning her. Like she kind of bowed out.

We Wine Whenever (03:20.922)
Well, there were several other girls too. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:29.476)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (03:42.224)
Yeah, so I have in, 2021, then they added, some girl jazz and some girl Victoria. And then the beginning of 2022, there were several more moms. And then when everything shook out, then they got down to Taylor, Whitney, Macy and Michaela. And those were the four that you're talking about, Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (03:50.056)
Yes.

Kelli (04:07.067)
Macy, right. I'm sorry. I looked at it and it looked like Mary. You, yes, you're right. Macy, sorry. There's a lot of girls. There's a lot of girls and they all look alike. They do. Yes. I mean, it's, it's Utah. So it's, you know, fair skin, light hair.

We Wine Whenever (04:10.876)
There's too many names, too many names. There's a lot of girls and they all look alike. Very Stefford Wyfish. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:10.953)
Macy.

We Wine Whenever (04:32.346)
and lot of extensions. There's a lot of extensions.

We Wine Whenever (04:33.03)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (04:34.717)
and a lot of extensions. Yeah, I'm just gonna say right now, Jess so far is my favorite. She's a hairdresser. She's got the look I love. I love her hair. I'm all about Jess.

We Wine Whenever (04:45.944)
lot of extensions.

We Wine Whenever (04:46.792)
I like that you have a favorite. I like that you have a favorite already.

Kelli (04:48.305)
I already have a favorite and we haven't even heard that much from her, but she's definitely my fave.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.447)
Okay, good. I don't have a favorite yet. I don't know enough about them to, you

Kelli (04:58.671)
But I will say this, I like all of them. Like, because I've been seeing things on social media about Whitney and Taylor who clearly are gonna be the breakouts of the show. Neither one of them really bother me. I like both of them. I like all of them so far.

We Wine Whenever (05:17.957)
Yeah, okay, I think we care.

Kelli (05:18.097)
If anybody cares, my opinion. My opinion. Of course.

We Wine Whenever (05:19.79)
Well, Kelly, Kelly, you always like everybody anyway, Yeah.

Kelli (05:24.465)
I do, I do, but you know how I feel about Jersey and I have my strong opinions and you know, I'm just saying, I get strong opinions about people. thus far, episode one, no strong opinions.

We Wine Whenever (05:29.725)
my god.

We Wine Whenever (05:31.215)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:36.902)
So they started doing the TikToks and it kind of blew up overnight. Like all of a sudden they had 60 ,000 followers. then all of a sudden, two million of all the moms, and then all of a sudden from 60 ,000 followers to two million, like overnight, like out of nowhere, which is crazy. So then they started once it,

We Wine Whenever (05:38.82)
There you go.

Kelli (05:48.445)
This was during COVID, right? Everybody was home.

Kelli (05:58.687)
Wow. Crazy.

We Wine Whenever (06:06.66)
It became so big. These girls were out there besides doing the TikToks. They were partying together because they had this TikTok house, which is like an influencer house that they didn't live in. They just went there to make content, which is so cool.

Kelli (06:20.595)
They must have been making bank if they can just rent a house to make contact.

We Wine Whenever (06:24.387)
Yes, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (06:26.01)
Can you imagine being a young mom and having someplace you can run away to like that? That's freaking awesome, That's awesome. To run away to. Yeah. Just one room. Yeah. Yeah. That no one can come in. Get a bar. Yeah. So is

Kelli (06:32.253)
an old mom and I would like some place to run to. just want a room. Just give me a room.

We Wine Whenever (06:36.611)
Yeah, yeah, with a door and a lock.

Kelli (06:40.031)
That's right! And a and a bar. And a liquor bar. Or - or just a bottle of tequila. Exactly. I don't need a bar.

We Wine Whenever (06:47.301)
or a bottle, or a And a cup.

We Wine Whenever (06:50.35)
Good. we're easy. We're easy. We're cheap mates. So the women made videos about dance trends, beauty routines, and their lives as Mormon mothers.

Kelli (06:54.333)
I'm all set. I'm good.

We Wine Whenever (06:55.24)
We're simple. We are simple.

Kelli (06:57.821)
Very simple.

We Wine Whenever (07:06.658)
And then the group expanded to include some girl, Jennifer, Demi, Jessie, and Layla. I don't even think we get to meet them yet from the first episode, but that's how it ends up. That's the cast that ends up being.

We Wine Whenever (07:06.733)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:19.725)
Yeah.

So we kind of find out early in episode one that what really, the big controversy about this is that one of the moms, one of the MomTalk moms on Reddit started putting out that they were swinging going on at these parties. And this is when they already had 2 million followers. And Taylor took it upon herself to go live on TikTok and kind of out herself and her husband.

that they had broken up because of the swinging, because they had rules for their, what was it, soft swinging.

We Wine Whenever (07:59.994)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:00.497)
and she caught feelings for one of the other husbands.

We Wine Whenever (08:05.099)
Well, she broke the agreement. She broke the agreement. She broke the agreement because the agreement was they were supposed to do it in front of each other. It was supposed to be, they were supposed to know about it. And she admits, yeah, that she's the one who broke, you know, who broke the rules and her and her husband were getting divorced. Now at this point they already had two children. And the other mom talkers were like, why are you outing us? Like, this is not,

We Wine Whenever (08:05.124)
Well, who really knows what she did? Yeah.

Kelli (08:15.903)
So fucking weird.

We Wine Whenever (08:34.166)
Like this isn't cool. And so they kind of, for a couple months, they stopped talking to Taylor. And one of them, Whitney, her and her husband, they moved to Hawaii. And she said it was because of what Taylor did, but we'll find out later in the episode, that's not really the case. So right now we've, there's Whitney, Jen, Jesse, Layla, Demi, Macy and Taylor.

Kelli (08:35.636)
Right.

Kelli (08:54.651)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (09:02.85)
Taylor's 28 years old and she's the one who created it. She's the one who we see talking in the very beginning in her pink dress, kind of like, she gave me the Barbie, yes, in the confessional, she gave me that Barbie vibe with that pink dress.

We Wine Whenever (09:13.956)
Like a confessional.

Kelli (09:16.797)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:17.487)
Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Kelli (09:20.575)
It wasn't flattering. mean, listen, it would be hard to make her not look gorgeous, but I don't know. It looked like a Forever 21 pic.

We Wine Whenever (09:30.055)
Yeah. So then Taylor tells us that she got married right out of high school. Her mom pressured into it because she knew she was having sex with Tate, which was her ex -husband. And she's now divorced. But since the swinging scandal, Taylor hasn't seen the girls in months. And we find out, you know, a little bit later on in the episode that she

We Wine Whenever (09:30.158)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:55.082)
has a new boyfriend and she's only been divorced one month at the time. She's been out of her relationship with her husband for three to four months. And we're gonna meet also Taylor's mom, which I think is a big part of, I think a lot of these moms are a big part of the story. The only mom we've met so far though is Taylor's mom. So we're gonna have to wait and see kind of what happens.

Kelli (10:20.477)
Yeah, and she's not loving this new guy. But I get the impression from that scene with she and her mother that she was just that kid who was difficult and she caused issues in the family and it's always been Taylor causing the issues.

We Wine Whenever (10:31.31)
Yeah. She was, yeah, she just pushed the boundaries. Pushed the boundaries. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:42.948)
Yeah, it's in. She has two. Well, at this time now presently she has three children, but she had two children with her first husband and their names are Indy and Ocean. How do you like that?

We Wine Whenever (10:43.379)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:50.44)
Right.

Kelli (11:00.231)
But could you imagine your kid being 28 years old and coming to your house and telling you that she might be pregnant with her boyfriend's baby and she's only been divorced for a month and has two other kids? her mother, her mother reacted exactly how I would. I would have had to get up and walk away because you're, there's a film crew in your backyard and you want to.

We Wine Whenever (11:12.014)
No.

Kelli (11:27.465)
just go all in on her and you can't. And I would have had to walk away and I hope I would have, cause I don't know if I would have.

We Wine Whenever (11:29.509)
yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.231)
Well, I mean, her mom did, she did get some harsh words out and not that I think her mom is wrong. I don't think she's wrong. No, no, not at all.

Kelli (11:41.183)
No, no, she's not wrong. Are you kidding me? You're fucking 28 years old. You're divorced for a month. You got two other kids who are going to now have to navigate through divorced parents. Wear a fucking condom and take the take the pill for crying out loud.

We Wine Whenever (11:46.237)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:57.338)
Do something.

We Wine Whenever (11:57.532)
Right, right, right. Yeah, I mean, her mom says to her at that, well, she's out there before she even lets it known that she may be pregnant. You know, did you talk to the bishop yet? And she's like, well, no, I didn't talk to the bishop yet because I'm afraid I'm going to be excommunicated.

Kelli (11:58.857)
Do something, be smart.

Kelli (12:15.785)
Did she think that just because she was getting divorced she was going to be excommunicated?

We Wine Whenever (12:20.059)
Well, I think maybe because the whole swinger thing came up, right? And the whole world knew about it. I think that, yeah.

Kelli (12:22.255)
right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (12:25.306)
I think that it was the swinger thing.

Kelli (12:27.507)
Yeah, yeah, sorry. There's so there's so it was a lit. This episode was a little confusing. There was a lot to focus on. There were a lot of people to learn.

We Wine Whenever (12:35.214)
Yes. Yes, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (12:37.156)
Yes, yes there was.

Kelli (12:38.889)
and they all look alike. Have we said that yet? They all look alike.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.23)
And they all look alike, yes.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.509)
Yeah.

Yeah. So when Taylor does go over to her mom's house, you know, she also is going over there because she wants her mom to watch her kids. Cause she has a date tonight with Dakota, who's the new boyfriend and the, yep.

Kelli (12:56.755)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (12:57.53)
Who she met on Instagram. Met on Instagram. Yes.

Kelli (13:00.445)
You split into the DMs.

We Wine Whenever (13:03.204)
Yes. And her mom says, and even Taylor admits that he kind of has a sketchy past that, you know, he has addiction issues and he overdosed on fentanyl. Yeah. Which we all know is serious. Yeah.

Kelli (13:14.687)
Fentanyl. Yeah, yes, he's a recovery. He's a recovering addict. Which God bless him though. God bless him because we do see in the episode that he is prioritizing his sobriety over a relationship with her. So, because at first I'm like, is he with her for clout? Cause she's like a big TikToker. But when he made those comments, I was like, okay, so at least he's prioritizing, you know,

We Wine Whenever (13:14.81)
Fentanyl.

We Wine Whenever (13:31.142)
Yeah, and he

We Wine Whenever (13:36.654)
Maybe.

Kelli (13:43.409)
in his best interest.

We Wine Whenever (13:43.664)
But is he or is he just playing the game? They have a baby. I always question things like that because if you're really gonna take your sobriety seriously, it's about you, it's not about what other people do. So you telling other people what they can and cannot do.

Kelli (13:48.849)
I don't know because are they still together and now the baby?

Kelli (13:55.859)
Yeah, no.

We Wine Whenever (14:12.206)
I don't know, it just doesn't, that doesn't feel like really necessarily authentic to me.

Kelli (14:18.377)
I agree with you, but he could be so early on in his sobriety where he feels like I can't, you you get to, obviously we all have friends and family members who are in recovery and they're at a place in their lives where they can be around people who are drinking or smoking weed or whatever they're doing. But when you're early on in your sobriety, it's very, it's gotta be very difficult. I don't know. I, you know, I respect all of them for their journey, but.

We Wine Whenever (14:44.709)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:48.657)
it's got to be very difficult in the beginning, especially if that's your partner. Like, you know, you go out to dinner like, you know, and she seems like she likes to party. Let's face it. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:50.88)
my - right, right.

We Wine Whenever (14:59.79)
Well, she says it. She actually says it. says, I like to party and why do I find, you know, why do I wind up with people who can't or won't party? I mean, she does say that.

Kelli (15:08.307)
Well, you hang out with Mormons who aren't supposed to drink!

We Wine Whenever (15:11.169)
Right, right. I mean, I could actually relate to her mom when her mom said to her, you know, like you don't make good choices. And at the end of the day, you have two kids to worry about. And when you make these bad choices, it falls on your father and I, because we're the ones here picking up the pieces.

We Wine Whenever (15:11.706)
Right, well, there you go.

Kelli (15:29.403)
what I meant where she was always that kid. Because the parents are like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, when is this going to when is the cycle going to stop? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:32.32)
Right. No, I get it. I get it.

We Wine Whenever (15:36.944)
Yeah. Stop. Yeah. Make some good choices.

We Wine Whenever (15:37.409)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:42.048)
Right. Right. And you know, the fact that, the fact that she goes over there and she says, I think I might be pregnant. Well, don't you think you'd take the test before you got over there? Like, what if you're not, you're going to cause this havoc for nothing?

Kelli (15:45.854)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:56.691)
You want to hear something funny? saw her. just, I just saw a clip. didn't listen to it. She was on Lala's podcast. She said, do you know that I was actually approached to do Real Housewives of Salt Lake City? And they told me that there was not enough drama in my life to be on the show. And Lala bust out laughing. I'm like, that's hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (16:10.657)
That was on Sheenaz.

We Wine Whenever (16:15.017)
She said that on Sheena's too, I was Sheena. It was Sheena. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did hear that on Sheena's. And yeah, not enough drama. I mean, I think that they've already said that they do know Monica from Utah, from Salt Lake.

Kelli (16:17.051)
I'm sorry, you're correct, it was Sheena. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So funny.

-huh.

Kelli (16:35.825)
I saw a clip of Monica because somebody, people must have been DMing her saying she should be on that. And she was like, I don't think so. Like totally shading them. And I thought, bitch, you're not doing anything right now. So you would have been lucky to be on that. Maybe you wouldn't gotten kicked off after one season if you did do that show and not the other one. She was like shading them hard. I'm like, what are you doing? You're unemployed.

We Wine Whenever (16:57.503)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:01.546)
That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting.

Kelli (17:05.342)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:07.19)
So that's little bit about Taylor. mean, then we get to meet Macy. Macy is 27 years old. She grew up in Orange County, California, and she's been married five years to her husband, Jacob Neely. They have two kids excited to get together, back together, and start things up again. And she said she feels like her husband, Jacob, really never initiates sex.

Kelli (17:13.767)
out.

We Wine Whenever (17:34.608)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (17:35.325)
which that's a lot to put out there on your first episode about your husband.

Kelli (17:41.787)
It sure is.

We Wine Whenever (17:43.704)
And really, we don't need to know. We don't need to know.

We Wine Whenever (17:44.167)
But I did hear, no, we don't need to know that. We don't need to know that. But I did hear, and I think it was on Sheena's podcast that, so this actual episode that we're watching was actually filmed almost two years ago because maybe you heard it from me though. I think I told you that, yes. And I heard it, I think I heard it on Sheena's podcast because what happened was as we see,

Kelli (17:49.15)
No, no.

Kelli (18:02.481)
I heard that too.

I probably did. Thank you. I believe I did.

We Wine Whenever (18:13.311)
You know, we're gonna have to jump to this at this point. As we see at the end of the episode, Taylor gets arrested for domestic violence. And once that happened, they had to stop filming. Unlike other Bravo shows and Housewives where they wanna film all that stuff, this show stopped filming until that was all settled. So what we're seeing right now is old news. You know, it's all old news.

Kelli (18:20.756)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:29.587)
They keep the cameras rolling.

Kelli (18:42.079)
So wait, Macy isn't the one... Alright, I'll wait, I'll wait. Because I get confused.

We Wine Whenever (18:46.452)
I wrote down that she's blonde, but I wrote down a couple of them are blonde, so I don't know that that helps.

We Wine Whenever (18:51.812)
A -hole.

Kelli (18:52.651)
wait, I think I know who Macy is. I think I remember who Macy is. She's the one that sat down with Taylor for lunch, right? Okay, okay, okay, because I have things to say about Michaela, but we'll get there.

We Wine Whenever (18:59.41)
Yes, yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (19:00.378)
Yes. Now.

We Wine Whenever (19:06.256)
So she, yeah, it's Macy, has one child with this husband, Jacob, and one child from her former relationship with her partner, Eric, who tragically died in a car accident before the baby's birth in 2015. Yes. Yes. Isn't that awful? And she has tagged herself as the bad bitch. So I like that.

We Wine Whenever (19:06.258)
Okay.

Kelli (19:22.399)
that's awful.

We Wine Whenever (19:26.567)
Yeah, that is awful. That is awful.

Kelli (19:28.755)
that's terrible.

Kelli (19:36.265)
Well, listen to overcome that and you know, I can understand my poor nephew passed away six weeks before his son was born. So that is a bad bitch who can, know, like Kai's mother, Brittany is a bad bitch because she, you know, struggled, but yeah, she did it. She did it and she's continuing to do so. So, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:45.326)
That is a bad bitch.

We Wine Whenever (19:49.434)
She did it.

We Wine Whenever (19:51.112)
Yeah.

Right. And then the next one we get to me is Whitney and she is also a blonde at this point and she's part of the OG mom mom talk and she's the one who moved to Hawaii and now she's moving.

Kelli (20:07.719)
with her husband who's clearly in the witness protection plan with that hair and mustache.

We Wine Whenever (20:11.746)
I know, but then when we see McKenna it's all gone. Which is what makes it so hard to follow this damn show.

We Wine Whenever (20:12.112)
Clearly, clearly.

Kelli (20:17.76)
And then when he admitted to the Tinder thing, I'm like, my god, he really was like trying to disguise himself. That's fucking hysterical. The blonde hair on top with the dark porn mustache. I'm like, what are you doing? You're bringing more attention to yourself with that ridiculous look. That was bad. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.574)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (20:34.725)
I know, it was bad. It was bad, I agree. So then they bought that house in Utah, sight on scene. And we see them like pulling up to the house and then we see them come in and you know, the champagne's on the counter because they're realtor left it for them. And she's like, I've never drank before. Have you ever drank alcohol before? And they take a sip of it and she like spits it out and she's throwing, I'm like, all right, come on, really?

We Wine Whenever (20:34.818)
That was, yeah.

Kelli (21:02.717)
Yeah, come hang out with us for a week, Whitney. You'll love alcohol by the end of week.

We Wine Whenever (21:02.916)
Yeah, stop it.

We Wine Whenever (21:06.936)
Yeah. I think it was just a little extreme.

We Wine Whenever (21:08.418)
Yeah, we'll introduce you to the Shambong. We'll introduce you to the Shambong. You'll have it all going on. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know if I believe that neither one of them before that episode had tried liquor. It's so stupid. Stop it.

Kelli (21:11.222)
We'll get you over that.

Kelli (21:15.235)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (21:15.256)
That's it. That's it. That's what they need. They need the Shambong.

Kelli (21:18.611)
Yeah, they need some Shambong.

We Wine Whenever (21:24.771)
No!

Kelli (21:27.783)
It was a little overdramatized.

We Wine Whenever (21:29.92)
Well, the whole thing is overdramatized,

We Wine Whenever (21:30.136)
I think so too.

Kelli (21:32.51)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:34.384)
So then the next one we meet is Jessie and Jessie's 30 years old and she's the one with the hair company and she does, she's a hairstylist. She has a hair extensions, a hair salon and her company is called Jay Z hair. And she's got the billboard and people are calling it Jizz. It was funny.

We Wine Whenever (21:53.103)
Yes.

Kelli (21:55.167)
That was funny.

We Wine Whenever (21:56.176)
Yeah. So she's 32 and married to Jordan for four years and they have three children. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (22:02.16)
So now she's 32. So at the time she was 30. So that's what I said. It was two years ago.

Kelli (22:06.301)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:08.815)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:11.632)
And then the next one we meet is Jen and she is 24 at the time. And she says, she says she was there at the parties, but not a part of the swinging group and didn't know anything about it.

Kelli (22:23.881)
So she's the one that said that, not to me.

We Wine Whenever (22:27.151)
No, so then Demi, Demi we meet Demi Angaman. She's 29 years old and her husband Brett, they said to him at the parties, like, do you like to share? And he's like, no. And she announces that they will absolutely not be sharing. And Brett is 46 and she is 29.

Kelli (22:52.095)
heard her say something about an age difference. was that well, what is that? 17 years? Well, it's a big it's interesting because it is a big age difference, especially I mean, maybe I don't know enough about the Mormon Church, but it does seem like they promote young marriage like young girl, young, young man. But but then I think about Whitney on Salt Lake City and Justin. I mean, she's his second wife. I wonder if

We Wine Whenever (22:55.926)
Yes, it was that. That's a big age difference. That's a big difference.

We Wine Whenever (22:56.016)
Yeah. 16 years. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:13.87)
Yeah. So listen to this.

Kelli (23:21.939)
Demi we're talking about, correct? I wonder if she's his second wife. I think she said Demi, because I know it can be pronounced both ways. I think she said Demi. But maybe she is his second wife.

We Wine Whenever (23:24.021)
Yes, yes. Why is it Demi or Demi?

We Wine Whenever (23:28.228)
Who knows?

We Wine Whenever (23:30.526)
to me.

We Wine Whenever (23:34.423)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:34.672)
Yes, I believe so to me. Well, let me tell you. So they first met when she was nine years old and he was 25 because they're, yeah, they kind of knew each other. So Brett was previously married to Angie Harrington from Real Housewives of Salt Lake.

Kelli (23:44.585)
What?

Kelli (23:54.591)
That's right. So she is the second wife and she's Angie H's... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right.

We Wine Whenever (23:56.17)
and

We Wine Whenever (24:00.772)
Yeah. So Demi was previously married to this guy, Blake Corbin, and they had a kid named Maude together, a daughter. So while they were married, Demi and Blake run into Brett, who now at this point is single. And Demi and Blake suggest Brett for the show, The Bachelorette, which he was cast for, and then it was delayed due to COVID. So when they met and they were still married,

and Brett was single, they met because they wanted their daughter Maude to do some modeling and Brett was talking to him about that. So then when Demi saw online, Brett posting things in regards to the bachelorette that was, you know, delayed, she reached out to him and, know, at this point he was single and blah, blah, blah. And they started talking back and forth. So that's how that went.

Kelli (25:00.467)
So she left her husband for him.

We Wine Whenever (25:00.735)
I no, no. I had heard her, yeah, I had heard her talk about it on a podcast and she had said that they are the ones who talked him into doing the Bachelor and he took down all of his social media like they have to do and then all of a sudden she saw that he had posted something and he should have been away but.

We Wine Whenever (25:03.82)
No, no, they were already divorced.

We Wine Whenever (25:14.542)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.343)
So then that's when she reached out to him and said, well, what happened? And that was because of COVID and they sent everybody home. So that's when they reconnected. But she also does go on to say that the last party that she went to with Taylor, Taylor was flirting with her husband, Brett. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:35.14)
Yes.

Kelli (25:35.187)
Okay.

Kelli (25:43.281)
Yeah, I have that written down.

We Wine Whenever (25:46.518)
excuse me, but I think I would flirt with.

It's cute.

Kelli (25:51.463)
I mean, a couple of them, Sons Connor, are very cute.

We Wine Whenever (25:56.849)
Yes, I agree. definitely agree. Listen, I'm not loving Dakota though either, to be honest with you. I'm not loving Dakota.

We Wine Whenever (25:59.577)
And that's

Kelli (26:02.097)
No, me neither.

We Wine Whenever (26:03.696)
No, not loving him. So that Jennifer Affleck, the one who's 24 and married to Zach for four years and has two kids, she is like, her husband's like the second cousin of Ben Affleck.

We Wine Whenever (26:17.746)
Right. Which by the way, she's never met him. Never met him. And every time her name comes up on screen, they say Jen Affleck and they don't put anyone else's. They don't put anybody else's last name.

Kelli (26:18.761)
But she's never met him.

We Wine Whenever (26:20.676)
Yeah, nevermind.

Kelli (26:29.023)
I didn't even notice that.

last name on there and she's never met him so who cares put it on there

We Wine Whenever (26:34.852)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:37.043)
Well, they're trying to jump on that bandwagon. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:39.674)
Yeah, they're trying.

Kelli (26:41.085)
So stupid.

We Wine Whenever (26:44.297)
What else do I have?

Kelli (26:45.887)
We met Michaela. I like Michaela. She looks like, she's, she got married at 17. She's 23. She's been married for six years. She looks like Leighton Meester Blair from Gossip Girl. She reminds me of her and she has that skin condition.

We Wine Whenever (26:53.778)
So.

We Wine Whenever (27:02.173)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:03.044)
Mmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:07.817)
Yeah. So she was 16 when she met her husband and he was 21. And you know, there's a lot of people talking about that. Her mother was a prominent person in the Mormon church and her mother, what they're saying is made her marry him. And well, yes, but she was 16 and he was 21. And in, in most places that's statutory rate. Yeah. So.

Kelli (27:10.653)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:25.513)
Well, she got pregnant, I think.

Kelli (27:33.065)
They're legal. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:34.34)
Right. But they've been married for six years and they have three kids, so.

Kelli (27:38.537)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:39.559)
Yeah, listen, and I think she's, I also wrote down she's another blonde. I agree, I think she's a beautiful girl. She said that she has this chronic skin condition, but they don't know what it is.

Kelli (27:45.982)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:51.901)
Yeah, she's done a hair test, she's been to all kinds of doctors. That's, you know, it's scary.

We Wine Whenever (27:52.271)
You

We Wine Whenever (27:54.663)
Yeah, it is scary.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.21)
But she did say that she did have her breast implants removed. And you know, that's a real thing. You can get really sick from them. So that could be part of what her... Yeah, that could be part of what her problem is.

Kelli (28:04.935)
Yeah, yeah, if your body rejects them, I guess. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:08.477)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:11.175)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.527)
know that what's her name Yolanda from Beverly Hills she had hers removed too because she had all those problems with the Lyme's disease and autoimmune disorders and once she had hers removed it really improved her health as well.

Kelli (28:23.805)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:24.858)
So maybe that's what our deal is.

We Wine Whenever (28:28.231)
Yeah, it definitely could be. definitely could be. So then what else to.

We Wine Whenever (28:33.338)
So I have down, I have Whitney Taylor and Michaela Mead for lunch and Michaela confronts Taylor about the social media posts. And Taylor kind of just kind of blows it off a little bit. Doesn't necessarily really apologize.

Kelli (28:48.211)
But kind of agree with her because then they so Whitney and Michaela were making posts of their own making jokes about it. So it's like being part of the swinging group. Yeah, so you if you're gonna if you're gonna if you're gonna post things and and make light of it.

We Wine Whenever (28:58.397)
Making jokes about what?

Kelli (29:10.483)
Like say you're part of a soft swinging group, when everyone in your neighborhood thinks you're part of the soft swinging group or something like that, they were making like funny videos about it. And that blew up their TikToks. So don't be mad at her for doing the original one when you're piggybacking off of it and monetizing it.

We Wine Whenever (29:30.793)
Well, right. And I think what they were saying about it is that they felt like they had to do something because she already blew it up. and they, and the other thing about them is that these women were the breadwinners of their family with, with the TikTok. So they needed to keep making the bank because they were feeding their family. They all had kids and husbands that, you know, were relying on them.

We Wine Whenever (29:31.172)
Right now.

Kelli (29:38.449)
Okay.

Kelli (29:45.692)
For sure.

Kelli (29:52.509)
Right, right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:58.244)
And then Michaela, Demi, Taylor and Whitney are at Macy's house. God bless you. And Whitney confesses that Connor is struggling with a porn addiction and states that he never really met up with anybody.

We Wine Whenever (30:15.089)
No, that was actually, that was actually so Whitney called a family meeting with all of them at the MomTalk house.

We Wine Whenever (30:24.888)
okay.

Kelli (30:25.695)
thought it was at somebody's house too, quite honestly. I didn't think it was at the MomTalk house.

We Wine Whenever (30:28.378)
doesn't matter.

We Wine Whenever (30:30.265)
No, I mean, because I, she talked to her husband about it and before she met up with them, she talked to her husband about it and she said that at her house, she said that, you know, she's got to tell them the truth now. And he says, well, I, you know, I don't want, I don't want to look like the victim here because I've done horrible things to my wife. And then, right now you certainly don't. And that's when he, that's when his mustache was gone and he had shaved his head.

Kelli (30:50.493)
You don't, by the way. You don't look like the victim.

We Wine Whenever (30:58.51)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (30:58.813)
But then they're all at the Mom Talk house and they said, listen, Whitney called a family meeting and then she shows up there and they're all there. And she tells the story that she had been lying to them about what had happened with her and Connor. And the real reason that they went to Hawaii is that he was actually on Tinder and that he...

Kelli (30:59.945)
God.

Kelli (31:21.811)
So it wasn't because Taylor put that video out on TikTok.

We Wine Whenever (31:26.607)
Right. That's what she tells him. that he, you know, there's more to it, that he has the porn addiction. And then I'm not sure which one of them asked her, how long has this been going on? And she says, my entire marriage. And then they asked her, well, did he meet up with them? Because initially she was saying, and she said, no, you know, that's what he told her. But initially she was saying that, you know, this was, they took his, his, his Facebook, old Facebook pictures. It wasn't him.

Kelli (31:38.719)
That's fucked.

We Wine Whenever (31:56.071)
when she knew it was him and she was, you know, trying to cover up for him, which is why they moved to Hawaii to get away from it. So she did tell them, well, that's why she called them together. And then as soon as she's done telling them, that's when Taylor drops her bomb that she's been pregnant for four weeks or it's an egg topic pregnancy or she's miscarrying because she's going to the hospital. Egg topic, yep. Right.

Kelli (32:20.211)
Yeah, either miscarried or it's an ectopic pregnancy. Either way, she's not having a baby.

We Wine Whenever (32:26.764)
Either way, Whitney and Taylor are dueling for who's the bigger asshole.

We Wine Whenever (32:27.101)
and

Kelli (32:34.409)
for sure. For sure. They want, they want to be the number one girl in the group, both of them. And it looks, I mean, with the coming attractions, it looks as if they, like, they really start dueling for this and the other girls pick sides.

We Wine Whenever (32:34.557)
Mmm. Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (32:40.216)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:41.011)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:53.109)
Yeah, it does look like that. It definitely looks like that. The other thing is I will say that I did hear that although it would what is surprising to me is that they're all using Reddit as their sources. I think like Reddit is like the the sleaziest of all sleazy sources for information. And I mean,

Kelli (33:18.611)
mean, none of it's good. None of it's good.

We Wine Whenever (33:18.67)
Yeah, where are you going with that?

We Wine Whenever (33:22.194)
So supposedly all over Reddit was that it actually wasn't Tinder that he was on, it was actually Grindr, which is a whole other can of worms. So I don't know. I don't know. I think the people that use Reddit for their sources, like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (33:28.432)
Eww.

Kelli (33:28.639)
Hmm.

We Wine Whenever (33:32.282)
thing. Yes.

Kelli (33:44.935)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:47.472)
And so she tells him that she's pregnant. The girls all agree that they really need to support Whitney at this time. And, you know, they're going to rally.

Kelli (33:57.703)
And Whitney's salty because Taylor tried to steal her thunder with her pregnancy story right after she divulged to the girls her struggles with her husband. So hence now we have the dueling.

We Wine Whenever (34:03.568)
Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (34:08.522)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:12.591)
Yes, I do.

We Wine Whenever (34:12.604)
Right. But before that happens, we see Dakota and Taylor, go out together, they go out to eat. And she says that, you know, they're not, you know, they're not going to share, they're not going to be swapping, soft swinging, they're not going to be doing any of that. And he says how beautiful he is, she is and how much he loves her. And she asks him, do you want to marry me? And, you know, he says, listen, I, I have to, I have, you have to be sober when you're around me. And

As they're leaving, she literally says, I'm drinking tonight and I'm going to get effed up. Those were the words out of her mouth. And then the next thing we see is the two putting their kids to bed and then the 911 called for the domestic violence. Yeah, the garage door is opening and closing. Then we see her talking to the Harriman police officer with the body cam footage. you know, she says,

Kelli (34:46.301)
Yes, she does.

Kelli (34:55.455)
Yep. By a neighbor. They must have been...

We Wine Whenever (34:59.536)
own.

We Wine Whenever (35:06.148)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:08.852)
you know, he threw me in the garage and he's like, yeah, because you were throwing things at me. And she's like, I peed myself. I was so afraid of him. And then the garage door's opening and closing. We don't know exactly what happened because the next thing we see is the police officer saying, well, I'm arresting you for DV. And she's like, what? He goes, domestic violence. I need to handcuff you. Put your hands behind your back.

Kelli (35:30.505)
She looked shocked. She never thought she was getting arrested. She did not think she was getting arrested. She was clearly... very intoxicated, though. Clearly.

We Wine Whenever (35:35.432)
Yeah. No.

We Wine Whenever (35:42.898)
Yeah, yeah. And then we, I was gonna say then we see that Taylor, she, on the upcoming season, she says getting arrested was the worst time of her life, from the scandal to having a miscarriage to getting, you know, arrested and being pregnant again. Of everything that's happened to her, being arrested was the worst thing that's happened to her. Which, yeah, I would think so.

We Wine Whenever (35:44.922)
To me, this whole... go ahead, Wendy, sorry.

We Wine Whenever (36:09.336)
one would think. Yeah. So to me, it just all screams Bravo -esque, overly produced drama off the back of a scandal. And I just think that's sad, especially for Taylor and Whitney. And you know, like if that was me, I'd just stay home and shut the fuck up. And you know what I mean? I just think that that's sad to make, that that's how you're making your money off of that.

We Wine Whenever (36:11.05)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:35.367)
Yeah, but we're living in a world. These people, these people think they're, yeah, these people become famous because of social media posts. So if they don't continue to post, then they're not famous anymore. And I don't even think they get addicted to the money. I think they get addicted to the fame. They just want to be famous.

We Wine Whenever (36:54.17)
But it's, just saying you're becoming, you're, but you're becoming famous for bad behavior. That's what I'm saying. That's what I think is sad. That's what I think is sad. And like we said, they,

Kelli (37:00.831)
the wrong reasons. For sure. 100%. 100%. But I don't think at that point they can't see the difference and they don't care.

We Wine Whenever (37:11.786)
Right. And they all look too much the same. Like everybody's, everybody's Rapunzel. I can't take the fucking extensions.

We Wine Whenever (37:16.527)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:21.841)
a lot of extensions.

We Wine Whenever (37:23.234)
And it's like hand, like giving like Handmaid's Tale with like the blue coats in the beginning instead of the red coats. Do you guys ever watch Handmaid's Tale?

Kelli (37:31.537)
Yeah, I never did, but I know I can understand the reference.

We Wine Whenever (37:35.47)
They all have to wear these red coats. So in the opening scene of this new show, they're all holding hands wearing those blue coats.

We Wine Whenever (37:36.037)
I never do.

We Wine Whenever (37:45.465)
It's behind me.

Kelli (37:48.018)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:48.204)
Yeah, that's what it's that's what it's giving to me. It's like giving Handmaid's Tale. It's like. I don't know.

Kelli (37:54.11)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:57.531)
I like the blue better than the red.

We Wine Whenever (37:59.296)
Most definitely.

Kelli (37:59.421)
I did see something. I did see something. come on. Where'd go? It was the funniest thing. And it was a picture of Whitney when she put, when she changed her hair to red. And it said, I couldn't figure out who she reminded me of. And then it hit me. Did you guys ever watch the help, the movie, the help?

We Wine Whenever (38:21.381)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:21.676)
Yes.

Kelli (38:22.847)
Okay, that's by the way, one of my top five books I've ever read, The Help. So good, definitely top five, maybe top two. But anyway, and they said she reminds me of Hilly Holbrook, the redhead in The Help. It's Bryce Dallas Howard, it's actually Ron Howard's daughter. She took over the, she took,

We Wine Whenever (38:28.855)
he's so good, so good.

We Wine Whenever (38:41.913)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:47.997)
okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (38:52.551)
well, I won't even get into it, from Twilight. She took over the role of the one. But she does remind me of Hilly Holbrook. Personality, looks, everything, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:55.617)
Okay. That role.

We Wine Whenever (38:56.695)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:03.6)
That's so fun.

We Wine Whenever (39:03.756)
That's interesting. Yeah. And it's funny because she really did look like a natural redhead. Like not everyone can pull that off. I mean, she really did.

Kelli (39:11.441)
I agree. thought the red looked better than the blonde on her.

We Wine Whenever (39:15.766)
I did too, I thought the blonde washed her out. I thought it washed her out. And I was thankful, one, that we have at least a redhead now, we know who she is.

Kelli (39:17.864)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (39:18.042)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (39:24.585)
For sure. It is interesting that she and Taylor, are they the only two that aren't blonde now? I mean, Taylor's got the highlights, but she's pretty much a brunette.

We Wine Whenever (39:35.083)
Well, I think there's one we haven't met yet who's a brunette. There's the one we haven't really met yet. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:35.152)
Pretty much,

Kelli (39:38.201)
Okay, great. There's another one. Awesome.

We Wine Whenever (39:41.53)
There's another one. I know it's exhausting. So I think that the bottom line to ask is, does this show or will this show do anything to empowering for women? I think that's.

We Wine Whenever (39:59.51)
Well, I don't know that that's a question. I mean, it's not empowering women. Honestly, we're watching it because it's entertainment and it's something to talk about. And it's something that happens. know, the 20 and 30 year olds, they really are into social media. They're very much into TikTok. And it really, when they started, it was them dancing. It was just them dancing. That's how it started. listen, I used to love watching the people dance. Like we were watching...

Kelli (40:00.135)
Absolutely not.

Kelli (40:05.907)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:17.054)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:21.362)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:27.722)
The other one that we did with the dancing, the, yeah, the M6, exactly. Those were also started out the TikTok dancing.

Kelli (40:29.779)
That was six.

Yeah, they still come up on our TikTok.

We Wine Whenever (40:37.63)
Yeah, yeah. So

We Wine Whenever (40:39.578)
So when I say that, I mean that from the perspective of, you know, I've watched a lot of social media stuff in regards to the show and that's kind of the agenda that the girls from the show are trying to kind of push, is that there's such this push in the LDS community for everybody to be portrayed as perfect.

And then there's this new generation of Mormon women, like kind of breaking the mold, kind of saying that, you know, it's a, can still be Mormons and not be perfect and all have flaws and make mistakes. That's what I mean when I say, does it do, cause that's kind of like what they're, they're putting out as their kind of platform is that they're kind of trying to, because of this whole scandal and the way things have gone, that that's the positive they're trying to take from it.

Kelli (41:21.599)
Got it.

We Wine Whenever (41:23.966)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (41:35.084)
is that they're portraying young Mormon wives as something other than the prescribed perfect.

Kelli (41:47.375)
that personally and I'm almost three drinks in so I don't know if I said this already. I lined them up because I was afraid I wasn't gonna be able to go re -up. But listen, we've said this before, you know I have to have I have to I have to have a backup and a backup to my backup. So I'm all set over here. you know...

We Wine Whenever (41:52.621)
Ha ha ha!

We Wine Whenever (41:59.054)
You are a professional, Kelly, you are a professional.

We Wine Whenever (42:00.816)
professional.

We Wine Whenever (42:06.292)
Okay, I And I'm just gonna mention I'm just gonna mention this It's only 40 minutes. We've all been on for 40 minutes

We Wine Whenever (42:07.758)
and I just bring the whole bottle with me.

Kelli (42:15.251)
I and I have to be at church at nine o 'clock mass tomorrow. But that's all I was going to say. we're, we're, you know, we've said Wendy and I are Catholic, Laurie is Lutheran. Like we're, and we're big parts of our church. All of us. I don't, I don't even know if I should say this as a CZD teacher, but you know, there's a lot of things with the Catholic church I don't agree with. You know, I, I believe in gay marriage. I am pro -choice. Like, you know,

We Wine Whenever (42:39.315)
Right.

Kelli (42:45.137)
So I see what you're saying, Lord, that they're saying they're trying to kind of break the mold, and that's okay. It's okay. Like we're...

We Wine Whenever (42:48.572)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (42:52.86)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (42:53.946)
I just think that there's better ways to do it besides on the backs of a tacky swinger scandal.

Kelli (43:02.183)
Well, the swingers thing I agree with because that's to me, that's immoral. You're on your spouse. So to me, that's immoral. However, the TikTok thing, the making the videos, that's the world we live in now. That is this younger generation. You know, we didn't grow up with it, but that's okay. Our kids did. And we can embrace it. That's how these kids want to make money. And some of them are very fortunate enough to do so. So God bless.

We Wine Whenever (43:17.178)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (43:30.062)
do so. And then my last takeaway is, was the whole thing manufactured as a whole?

Kelli (43:42.409)
I've thought about that. I've thought about it. That thought crossed my mind.

We Wine Whenever (43:42.834)
don't think so.

We Wine Whenever (43:44.272)
I don't trust anything that I see or hear on TV.

Kelli (43:49.373)
That's why I asked you both when we first started this, had you ever seen them before? I never heard of this. I never saw it. This happened and was filmed two years ago. How have we who follow Bravo and all reality TV not heard of this? I thought the same thing, Laura.

We Wine Whenever (44:10.8)
good, because I'm just a conspiracy theorist all the way now that I'm old. And so I'm thinking to myself, well, you know, that's a pretty good, pretty good setup. Like if, you know, I don't know.

Kelli (44:22.718)
Mhm.

We Wine Whenever (44:24.176)
Honestly, I think, again, I think we didn't hear about it because one, the mom talk wouldn't have been in our algorithm, seriously, because it was 20 somethings. But yes, because it was young people dancing, right? And unless you're watching that, you're not gonna keep getting that. And the stuff that we're looking at, we're looking at the Gen X stuff, so it's not gonna show up. The other thing is it was all over Reddit. That's where it was all over. And I just got done saying, I'm not.

We Wine Whenever (44:34.48)
because we're too old.

We Wine Whenever (44:53.411)
following Reddit. I'm not going to Reddit for any information. don't even, I honestly feel like if I go to Reddit, I'm going to get a virus. Like I'm staying away from Reddit.

Kelli (44:55.891)
We neither.

Kelli (45:00.381)
Honestly, I didn't I didn't think reddit was a reliable source like when I google something and reddit comes up I don't even go to that. I'm like Yeah, I just Okay

We Wine Whenever (45:08.631)
Me neither, me neither, but that generation does. That's what I'm saying to you. Like that generation uses Reddit as their, and I won't go near it either. Like I will not go near it because like I said, I feel like I'm gonna get a virus from it. Like I just think it's, I'm not going near that. So I think that that's why we have not seen this because like I said, we are older, we are watching more mature things. And you know, that's not gonna show up in our, I mean, listen.

Kelli (45:18.493)
Right, and I'm not.

Kelli (45:23.124)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:35.805)
Real Housewives.

We Wine Whenever (45:37.21)
Yeah. Very mature.

We Wine Whenever (45:38.595)
That is our guilty pleasure, that Jersey shore. Yeah. But that's not, yes, I know. I know I can't wait, but that's not going to show up for us on Tik Tok. It's not.

Kelli (45:40.639)
for sure. Yes, this week that comes on.

Kelli (45:49.107)
Right. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (45:51.007)
And that's my thought. I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (45:51.162)
So I definitely wasn't, I gotta say, well, you know, I'm not a big fan of reality TV anyway. I was not a big fan when I watched the first episode and I was like, God, all right. But I know I understand that it is relevant for a lot of people. But you know, even the whole thing, cause you guys had me watch the Real Housewives of

We Wine Whenever (45:59.576)
No, really?

Kelli (46:00.703)
Come on! Yes you are! You love this!

We Wine Whenever (46:02.244)
you

We Wine Whenever (46:20.668)
Salt Lake. I really before prior to watching that I really didn't have that much information in my noggin about Mormons and how what their gig is. So that's that is holding a little interest for me. But the small nuggets that I learned of Mormonism, I don't know if it's definitely worth my time to watch. mean, I'm going to watch it because

Kelli (46:31.579)
Mmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (46:47.236)
we're doing a podcast on it, it's certainly not, it's not light my world on fire. I'll just say that. But it is interesting to see, you know, like Mormonism, there was a lot of things that I watched. were saying how a lot of it is, it's more about the community, not just the church. So there was like a lot of incentive to play ball in the church.

Kelli (47:14.269)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:17.508)
so that you're accepted by the community. And then there's a lot of questioning between what the actual church guidelines are and then what is just the culture. So that aspect I find interesting.

Kelli (47:28.542)
Yeah.

Well, listen, do yourself a favor. You know, we talk about that podcast, Two Teas and a Pod. If you go to that, there's a subset of that called Popping Off and it's Teddy and Emily. Emily is a real housewife of Orange County and is married to Shane, who is a devout Mormon. Never took a sip of alcohol. So what they do is they recap this show.

We Wine Whenever (47:37.167)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:53.712)
Kelli (47:58.995)
and then Emily has her husband watch it. And he kind of like, not really fact checks it, gives his perspective. And we love Emily and Shane. Shane's not on the podcast, but Emily will talk to him about it and then report back. So that, to me, that motivates me to watch the show because I love Emily and Shane. So I want to hear Shane's perspective.

We Wine Whenever (48:16.964)
and then report back. interesting.

We Wine Whenever (48:17.684)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (48:26.605)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (48:27.145)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:28.158)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:30.111)
That is a good tip for any of our listeners as well. Although we are not a big fan of Tamara, but we do know, but we do listen to her podcast when she has the right people on and we love it when she's not on when it's Teddy and Emily. Or even her husband, the two Eds, we love that podcast too.

Kelli (48:32.713)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:36.883)
Not right now.

Kelli (48:45.321)
For sure. For sure.

Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:52.642)
And I don't listen to any podcasts, including our own.

We Wine Whenever (48:56.371)
Yes, that is so true, which drives me freaking crazy. It drives me crazy, Lori.

We Wine Whenever (48:58.402)
There you go. That's all right. It's okay.

Kelli (49:01.907)
Yeah, so, Laura, start listening to ours, asshole, and then start listening to Popping Off.

We Wine Whenever (49:06.143)
Hahaha!

We Wine Whenever (49:08.822)
I might keep popping off a try.

Kelli (49:09.727)
Just kidding.

We Wine Whenever (49:12.617)
We need the downloads, Laura. We need the downloads.

Kelli (49:14.803)
Yeah, exactly. Hey, Ari, before we finish up, Wendy, did you see the promo picture for Potomac?

We Wine Whenever (49:15.554)
Okay, I'll try and figure out how to do it.

We Wine Whenever (49:22.969)
my god. Yes?

Kelli (49:24.498)
Did you see who's front and center?

We Wine Whenever (49:28.456)
yes, yes, yes. I didn't even recognize her at first. I had to zoom in with that blonde.

Kelli (49:30.525)
Mia and when you're looking at the picture Mia's front and center, Karen here to the left, you don't even fucking know where Giselle is. I don't even know where Giselle is. Or Ashley.

We Wine Whenever (49:43.056)
No. No, I saw me with that blonde. Like I said, well, I saw Ashley. I saw Ashley.

We Wine Whenever (49:48.676)
Hey, how about this?

I don't even know who Gisele is. How about that?

Kelli (49:51.902)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (49:55.804)
You know what Potomac is coming out too. We didn't even mention that one the other day. I can't wait. I can't wait because Karen with the DUI, there's some big stuff going on Potomac. Yep. Karen had the DUI after they stopped filming last time. Yeah.

Kelli (49:55.881)
not ha

Kelli (49:59.367)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (49:59.424)
god. god.

Kelli (50:03.889)
my god, I forgot about that. I totally forgot about that.

Kelli (50:10.953)
I'm very curious to see Giselle navigate this season without Robin, Wendy navigate the season without Candice,

We Wine Whenever (50:15.324)
Without Robin. Yep.

Kelli (50:22.299)
I'm curious because I'm a big fan of Wendy, Karen and Candace. I was fans of them, not the green eyed monsters. Mia sitting front and center, I thought, damn, she hasn't even been here that long.

We Wine Whenever (50:37.224)
I'll tell you, when Mia, after the last reunion with her and her husband, or ex, 100%, that really turned me on her. I really like her now. really, like, listen, I'm rooting for her. I'm rooting for her. I'm excited.

Kelli (50:44.275)
Yes, they were very honest and forthcoming.

Kelli (50:53.479)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. I do want to G though. I still want G to be on the show. I need it to be like a Frank Catania situation. You can have your man, but we need G too. Mm -hmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:55.704)
And I'm not.

We Wine Whenever (50:58.984)
I think he will be, because...

We Wine Whenever (51:05.029)
I think we will see him. I think we will. And did you, I know you don't care. And did you see, it's not confirmed, but did you see Dr. Nicole is not coming back to Miami, but she says it's not definite, but I think it is definite. Why would it come out?

We Wine Whenever (51:07.694)
And I'm not curious about any of it.

Kelli (51:18.931)
I did!

Kelli (51:22.927)
know but I just hope that it was her decision and not Bravo's decision because

We Wine Whenever (51:28.496)
loves her why would Bravo decide that?

Kelli (51:29.533)
Everyone loves her. She is a self -made woman. She is beyond wealthy. She's wealthier than any of them on the fucking show. Let's face it. Nobody can touch her money and she's classy. So I hope that it was her who decided to walk away because she has a new baby and she's got a lot going on. And I hope it wasn't Bravo's decision because Bravo's making bad decisions lately. Not bad ass like.

We Wine Whenever (51:42.032)
And she's classy. She's classy.

We Wine Whenever (51:52.197)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (51:58.675)
you're a great badass like bad, bad, bad decisions. Like bad, you're not making good decisions. I think we're gonna have to hang up. I think I drank too much already.

We Wine Whenever (52:03.238)
you

We Wine Whenever (52:06.948)
Like bad, like bad, bad decisions. Like B -A -D. That's right. These are going south.

Kelli (52:11.903)
I called Lorraine asshole, things are going south.

We Wine Whenever (52:14.736)
Ha ha ha.

All right, well until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Why Whenever. Please subscribe, give us some five star reviews, tell your friends about it and share us. Bye.

Kelli (52:28.435)
Yes, please.

We Wine Whenever (52:29.742)
Yeah, not in the soft swinging way, but share us. my God. It's just too exhausting. We're too old. Everything's too decrepit. You young girls will see one day.

We Wine Whenever (52:33.978)
my gosh.

Kelli (52:36.125)
Yeah, none of our husbands are on board with that. Like, at all.

We Wine Whenever (52:39.117)
No, no. Who's got time? No one's got time for that.

Kelli (52:41.821)
Yeah, no shit. I have to ask. Nobody's got time for that.

Kelli (52:51.807)
Thank God that soft spring and shit came in after we were young. We're too old for that. All right. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (52:55.246)
Yeah, let me out now. No, no. Yeah. All right, good night.

We Wine Whenever (52:57.091)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:01.123)
Bye!