Beer, Bikes, and Big Drama: The Milwaukee Meltdown

 Beer, Bikes, and Big Drama: The Milwaukee Meltdown

RHOSLC Season 5, Episode 4: "The Epiphany"

The episode starts in Milwaukee, where Heather and Whitney recreate the iconic Laverne & Shirley opening. The next morning, tensions simmer as Bronwyn discusses the previous night’s conflicts with Lisa and Heather, hoping to move forward. Whitney enters Mary’s room and learns about a straightening comb, with Mary pointing out, "It’s a black girl thing."

The women begin their day with a trip to the Miller Beer Caves, followed by a Harley Davidson Museum visit, and later, a drag show. Lisa opts out of some activities and instead goes curling with Britani and Miele, where they have a lighter moment. Meanwhile, Heather confides in Whitney about rumors Meredith shared regarding Whitney’s business, Prizm, which could potentially harm her reputation.

At the beer and cheese tasting, Mary, new to beer, enjoys what’s dubbed the “champagne of beers,” while Lisa and Whitney address underlying tensions over gossip and friendships. Meredith admits to starting rumors about Whitney’s business, leading to a heated confrontation. Whitney expresses frustration that Meredith didn’t come to her directly, calling it gossip.

At dinner, the tension escalates, with Lisa and Angie clashing over trust and loyalty. Angie accuses Lisa of being controlling in their friendship, while Lisa throws a personal jab about Angie’s child, stopping the table in its tracks. The drama culminates when Britani announces her breakup with Jared, calling it her “epiphany,” although the women joke that they may get back together soon.

Later, Bronwyn defends her relationship with Todd, fending off accusations of being a gold digger due to their age difference. The episode ends on a fun note with the housewives attending a drag show, where Whitney's love for drag is celebrated, and the women enjoy a lighthearted dance-off on stage.

Takeaways

• The opening scene of the episode was a nostalgic reference to Laverne and Shirley.
• Bronwyn struggles with the serious nature of the Housewives franchise.
• Mary and Whitney's friendship is developing positively.
• Meredith feels caught in the middle of Lisa and Angie's conflict.
• The beer tasting event was a highlight of the episode.
• Whitney's family health issues bring a serious tone to the conversation.
• Meredith's business practices are questioned by the group.
• The Harley Davidson experience was a unique outing for the cast.
• The group dynamics shift dramatically during the episode.
• The episode ends with a gift exchange that highlights personal connections. Fashion choices can spark significant conversations.
• Conflict often arises from miscommunication.
• Dramatic reactions can overshadow genuine issues.
• Friendship dynamics can be exhausting and complex.
• Emotional depth can change perceptions of a person.
• Breakups often lead to self-discovery and epiphanies.
• Confrontations can lead to memorable moments.
• Understanding personal finances is crucial in relationships.
• Personal information can blur boundaries in friendships.
• Stereotypes can unfairly label individuals based on age differences.

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.694)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (00:03.409)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.292)
And I'm You did it. Yeah, I was like, whoa.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.496)
Did I startle you, Lori?

We Wine Whenever (00:06.899)
You did look a little scared. She looked a little scared.

We Wine Whenever (00:11.982)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 5, Episode 4. It's called The Epiphany.

We Wine Whenever (00:21.319)
Did you love the opening with the Laverne and Shirley reference?

We Wine Whenever (00:24.118)
Loved everything about it. Loved everything about it.

We Wine Whenever (00:24.56)
very

We Wine Whenever (00:26.929)
I was singing, I was doing the dance. I really wasn't doing the dance, but I was singing.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.434)
Very cute. Very cute.

We Wine Whenever (00:31.734)
I did love everything about it, loved everything about it. And I was seeing on social media, they're saying that it's like an ad for like Visit Milwaukee. yeah, yeah, I loved it. So then the next, it's the next morning and we see Bronwyn's on the phone talking to her husband, Todd, about the conversation that she had in the suite with Lisa. And he was asking, you were you able to straighten things out?

We Wine Whenever (00:42.001)
Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (00:42.083)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:01.423)
And she's like, well, mean, not really, but hopefully that they can move forward now that.

We Wine Whenever (01:09.971)
Bronwyn, Bronwyn, did you not watch the show before Bronwyn? She's like, can't we just have fun? No, Housewives aren't fun anymore. It's all fighting, cat fights, who's talking about who, who's telling who somebody else was talking about them, people messing with people's businesses. This is what Housewives is, Bronwyn. Do your research, do better. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:13.792)
No, I think...

We Wine Whenever (01:16.568)
No, we don't do that.

We Wine Whenever (01:21.624)
Yeah.

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Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:30.02)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:30.082)
Yes.

And then we see Mary, Whitney goes into Mary's room and asks her what is that tool that she's using on her hair. Mary says it's a straightening comb. Whitney looks perplexed. She's like, it's a black girl thing.

We Wine Whenever (01:45.553)
Yeah, come on Whitney. Get your shit together.

We Wine Whenever (01:50.575)
Listen, I just like

We Wine Whenever (01:51.207)
Maybe I did I am I do you guys knew that right?

We Wine Whenever (01:54.34)
Yes!

We Wine Whenever (01:54.542)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:56.135)
I mean, I knew it from cosmetology school, but...

We Wine Whenever (01:58.624)
Yeah, no, but I just like that Mary, yeah, I just like that Mary and Whitney are getting along and I do like that. I do. And then she tells them that she's got this great day plan. They're going to go to the Miller Beer Caves factory for a private beer and cheese tasting next to the Harley Davidson Museum. And finally the drag show. I'm telling you, that sounded like a great day.

We Wine Whenever (01:58.758)
I know it from high school.

We Wine Whenever (02:05.287)
Yes. Me too.

We Wine Whenever (02:20.518)
See you then.

We Wine Whenever (02:27.325)
Great day.

We Wine Whenever (02:28.248)
But too much. I mean, that sounds like exhausting. I mean, a lot of food too and alcohol, I would imagine, right?

We Wine Whenever (02:31.12)
Exhausting.

We Wine Whenever (02:35.4)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:38.607)
Yippee!

We Wine Whenever (02:38.717)
Well, yeah, a beer tasting and then they were drinking at the Harley dinner and then the drag show. Yeah, that's a lot of drinking in one day. Even professionals like us, that might be hard.

We Wine Whenever (02:42.679)
Yes!

We Wine Whenever (02:46.708)
Yes, that's what I was thinking.

We Wine Whenever (02:47.098)
Now.

We Wine Whenever (02:50.692)
I just want to point out that I did not really see any food going on at the Harley place. I see any food. I really didn't see anybody's food. We think it's fake. I didn't see any food on anybody's plate and I any food.

We Wine Whenever (02:58.397)
Well, they always have fake dinners.

We Wine Whenever (03:05.031)
They don't eat.

We Wine Whenever (03:05.176)
They had a very nice table setting.

We Wine Whenever (03:07.812)
they did. And I, and I know, I know I'm skipping, but since we're there, I really want to see what was in those swag bags.

We Wine Whenever (03:07.815)
They did. They did. That they did.

We Wine Whenever (03:18.996)
from Harley?

We Wine Whenever (03:19.812)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (03:22.061)
Yeah. I'm sure it was like hats and t-shirts and stuff like that, right?

We Wine Whenever (03:22.906)
Yeah

I don't know, but I just wanted to see it.

We Wine Whenever (03:25.878)
Yeah, probably.

We Wine Whenever (03:29.915)
Yeah, I hear you. like I love a swag bag. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:33.418)
Who doesn't? Free stuff? Sign me up. Then Meredith goes into Lisa's room while she's getting her glam done and asks her what she thinks about last night. And Meredith says, I was talking to Angie and she said, I'm having a hard time because Lisa doesn't want to talk to me. And she says, I should be careful of you. And then Whitney chimes in. Now, come on, Meredith.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.251)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:00.101)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:01.929)
She's a problem. She's a real, real problem.

We Wine Whenever (04:05.942)
Yes, she really is.

We Wine Whenever (04:06.02)
The best, the best is in the confessional when Lisa, who I really just, I don't really care for, but she just says, friendship fuckers. I loved it. It was so good. It was so good.

We Wine Whenever (04:19.853)
I wrote that down. she says in her confession, they're trying to fuck with my friendship, friendship fuckers. I was like, my God.

We Wine Whenever (04:23.238)
It was so good.

We Wine Whenever (04:23.539)
That's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (04:29.703)
That's great.

We Wine Whenever (04:34.941)
That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.048)
goodness. And then in Meredith's confessional, she says that obviously Angie and Whitney are having trouble with Lisa and they want me to join their team, but I'm not having any trouble with Lisa and we work so hard to get to the place we're at. Who are you kidding? Who are you kidding?

We Wine Whenever (04:53.424)
Yep. She knows too much about you, Meredith.

We Wine Whenever (04:57.25)
Yeah, that's it.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.845)
You need to protect that.

We Wine Whenever (05:01.11)
And then Whitney goes into Heather's room and Heather has the Laverne and Shirley outfits. I loved it. And then Heather and her confessional says she's very torn because of what Meredith told her about the jewelry and she wants to tell Whitney, but she was hoping Meredith would tell Whitney, but you know, she...

We Wine Whenever (05:07.485)
So cute.

We Wine Whenever (05:24.492)
doesn't know what to do and what would Laverne do to Shirley? Like, when she cuts on that, would Laverne tell Shirley? What would she do?

We Wine Whenever (05:33.316)
I don't know, do you guys really buy it that they're really getting along? I don't know. Mm-hmm. I don't know about that. You don't? I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (05:39.219)
Heather and Whitney.

We Wine Whenever (05:43.029)
I do.

We Wine Whenever (05:45.101)
I do, I think that Heather and Whitney know that there's power in numbers.

We Wine Whenever (05:51.726)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (05:53.541)
I think that Heather and Whitney both equally think that they're top dog on the show and they feel like they need each other. So I do think they're getting along, but I do think it's for reasons for the show. Do I think they're hanging out in the off season? Hell no.

We Wine Whenever (06:07.622)
Mmm.

No. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:11.67)
You don't, huh?

We Wine Whenever (06:12.975)
I don't. But that's just my personal opinion.

We Wine Whenever (06:16.16)
Well, I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to mention at the top of this episode and I forgot so our thoughts and prayers go out to Whitney and her family because her daughter Bobby was rushed to ICU over the weekend for asthma exacerbation as of yesterday, she's still in the ICU and Whitney said she's she's made a slight turn but it's gonna be a long road Yes, and she's only 14 years old so

We Wine Whenever (06:41.789)
It's terrible.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.98)
It is terrible.

We Wine Whenever (06:45.585)
Very scary.

We Wine Whenever (06:45.861)
Hopefully Heather is there for her because this is the off season for her, you know, so hopefully her cousin's there for her and our prayers are with them.

We Wine Whenever (06:49.818)
That would be nice.

We Wine Whenever (06:52.583)
Yeah. Yeah.

He's Louise. Did Andy Cohen mention it at all on Watch What Happens Live last night? I mean, maybe he...

We Wine Whenever (07:01.581)
He did not. Well, no, wait, no. You know what? I didn't watch, watch what happens live. That's the one with Mary. That's the one with Mary.

We Wine Whenever (07:05.925)
Okay. And listen, if he didn't, I mean, maybe Whitney hadn't released it yet, so he might not have even known. I was just curious because Salt Lake aired last night and I was just curious if he would have mentioned it. That's all.

We Wine Whenever (07:17.071)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:21.347)
Whitney actually, it's funny because I did see she did put a post like, you know, thank you for like, because I think it came out on page six first. And then she said, thank you for, the prayers. And that's when she said that, you know, she did make a slight turn. So we will keep them in our prayers. Then what happened?

We Wine Whenever (07:36.071)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:44.167)
Well, Lisa asks Melee, who's Whitney's friend, Whitney just brought her, supposedly brought her on the show to go curling with her, and then Britney's like, well, I'm gonna go too.

We Wine Whenever (07:45.871)
Ugh.

We Wine Whenever (07:56.549)
Well, because first Whitney goes into Lisa's room and says, tells her what's on the agenda. And Lisa's like, no, I'm going to pass. And Whitney's like, but why? I just don't, I don't want to go. And like you said, then she hijacked Brittany and Melee and they went curling.

We Wine Whenever (08:02.885)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:13.553)
Yes. Which was produced, I think.

We Wine Whenever (08:17.815)
was totally produced.

We Wine Whenever (08:20.942)
And did you see that she used to be a figure skater?

We Wine Whenever (08:26.105)
Yes, Miele?

We Wine Whenever (08:28.324)
yes, yes. That curling cracks me up.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.676)
My brother's girlfriend used to be a figure skater.

We Wine Whenever (08:35.515)
I watched it on the Olympics one year, Eric and I were like, what is this? I've never seen this before.

We Wine Whenever (08:40.25)
they doing?

We Wine Whenever (08:44.282)
Eh?

We Wine Whenever (08:44.963)
I know Lisa said she's done so much sweeping and you know, don't, she doesn't want her family to get any ideas like she's going to be doing that at home. I don't think they will. I think you're, I think you're safe, Lisa. I think you're safe. So then they get on, you know, they go on the Sprinter van and she says, I'm not good with Lisa either. Whitney says the only thing that makes sense, cause they want to know why Lisa wasn't coming. The only thing that makes sense is that

We Wine Whenever (08:52.883)
So funny.

We Wine Whenever (08:56.764)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:13.253)
Meredith, did you tell her what we talked about last night? And Meredith's like, yeah, yeah, I did.

We Wine Whenever (09:18.483)
Thank God she admitted because holy cow, I was literally sitting there waiting for her to just completely ignore it and not say what she did.

We Wine Whenever (09:25.946)
Deny.

We Wine Whenever (09:27.013)
Right, right. No, yeah. So then they get to the beer place and Ben is their beer expert. So funny. He asks if everyone has had beer before and Mary's like, no, I've never had beer. And he's like, well, do you like champagne? And we know that she likes her Dom Perignon. What year was it? 19, whatever. 2003, that was it.

We Wine Whenever (09:47.046)
2003. 2003.

We Wine Whenever (09:47.965)
When he twos not 2003. Did you hear her explanation of why?

We Wine Whenever (09:54.462)
why she likes Dom Perignon 2003.

We Wine Whenever (09:56.061)
There was a heat wave, 5600 people died. It was the best year for the, for the whatever.

We Wine Whenever (10:01.85)
Great.

We Wine Whenever (10:04.345)
She just said that this time? that's so funny. I missed it both times. She's so funny. She's so funny. So as soon as, as soon as he tells her that and then she tastes it and she's like, I like it. Like this, this is good. Like this is regal.

We Wine Whenever (10:06.321)
They flashed back to her saying it and I don't remember her saying that. She says 5,600 people died and it was the best year for that.

We Wine Whenever (10:08.666)
Dang it.

We Wine Whenever (10:18.852)
America.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.182)
Mary.

We Wine Whenever (10:32.688)
So, on a.

We Wine Whenever (10:32.689)
Yes, this is regal. That's what she said. This is regal.

We Wine Whenever (10:32.717)
Regal. This is Regal. I was like, she's like, there's an upscale beer? This is Regal. I'm like, it's Miller.

We Wine Whenever (10:36.374)
Great.

We Wine Whenever (10:41.533)
And it's Miller. Like she needs to have like a Chame. Like she needs to have a good beer.

We Wine Whenever (10:43.012)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:47.204)
She needs to have some, yeah, yeah, like a good Polish beer.

We Wine Whenever (10:48.901)
And then he gives her other ones and she's loving them too. I was like, Mary, all she got to do.

We Wine Whenever (10:57.671)
I do like a beer if I'm really thirsty. Like nothing quenches your thirst like a good cold beer, right? Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:00.208)
Yeah.

Like a nice, yep, like a nice summer shady. Nice.

We Wine Whenever (11:08.803)
I don't like beer.

We Wine Whenever (11:10.109)
I like a pumpkin ale too, I'm a big pumpkin girl.

We Wine Whenever (11:11.976)
Thank

We Wine Whenever (11:16.581)
I just think it's funny with Mary, like you give her a label or give her something that she thinks is like upper echelon and she's all over it. Right? Right. Miller. Exactly. Miller of all things. It's like the Meisterbrow. I mean, do they even make Meisterbrow?

We Wine Whenever (11:16.823)
We Wine Whenever (11:24.561)
Yes. Yes. Which is why I thought it was hysterical that she said that Miller was regal.

We Wine Whenever (11:34.875)
Yes. I don't think they do anymore. Or, or, what was the other one?

We Wine Whenever (11:36.844)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (11:42.596)
Let's.

We Wine Whenever (11:42.919)
neighbor used to drink it. I'll think of it.

We Wine Whenever (11:45.411)
Ooh, slits. That was another one too. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:47.162)
Yeah, yeah. Might have

We Wine Whenever (11:47.644)
It might have been that.

Was there red on the box?

We Wine Whenever (11:52.92)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (11:53.509)
Was that PBR? PAPS Blue Ribbon? How about that one?

We Wine Whenever (11:58.323)
Yeah, I don't know. So funny. Exactly. Might as well go down that mad dog 2020 road too. How about when Lisa called Jared a DList husband?

We Wine Whenever (11:59.898)
I think it slits though. Yeah. Mary Cosby.

We Wine Whenever (12:01.118)
All right, we're talking about cheap beer. There you go.

We Wine Whenever (12:14.341)
Yeah, that, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:16.115)
That was hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (12:19.505)
Well because they're, you know, they're out there and Britney's like, I missed a text from him. It's like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (12:26.356)
She is making herself look desperate.

We Wine Whenever (12:29.53)
Horribly desperate. What are you doing?

We Wine Whenever (12:29.851)
Yes, she is. Yes. Yeah. And then they're looking at the text message and they're like, there's all these red flags. You know, he says that we're, you your friends.

We Wine Whenever (12:32.187)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (12:42.001)
Yeah, Lisa is the ultimate hype girl though. Like we all need a Lisa when it comes to that. She's like, you're beautiful. What's wrong with you? You're this. You don't need him. You know, he's a D-list Ozman, you know.

We Wine Whenever (12:57.489)
Listen, I don't need Lisa. I'll find another hype girl. She drives me crazy. I'm sorry. Yeah, she is a hype girl, but she still drives me crazy. And then Bronwyn talks about how Todd used to work at the beer place, the beer cave. And then she goes on to say that before she was born, he worked there. Like, why does she have to keep throwing that in things?

We Wine Whenever (13:01.96)
She's a... I mean in that respect though...

We Wine Whenever (13:08.092)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (13:16.494)
That was great.

We Wine Whenever (13:25.043)
actually have that written down too. feel like she's just can't stop talking about it. then when Brittany asks her, she gets offended when somebody, yeah, just stop talking about the age difference.

We Wine Whenever (13:38.977)
Yeah, we'll get there. Exactly. We will get there. It's weird. It's

We Wine Whenever (13:44.452)
Yeah, it is weird.

We Wine Whenever (13:45.047)
It is weird. And then Ben, they start asking about like ghost stories. So then Ben's going to take them to the, room to tell, you know, the bartender is going to tell them ghost stories and Whitney and Heather are going to stay behind a minute because Heather now wants to tell.

We Wine Whenever (13:59.684)
Well, you know what?

Yes, but that's kind of like Heather doing her own producing. You know, come on. Stop it.

We Wine Whenever (14:10.375)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:10.51)
Well, I mean, she did need to tell her cousin. was her cousin and she was hoping that Meredith would tell her and Meredith didn't tell her. So I think it was her place to tell her. And I think it was right that she didn't do it in the whole group.

We Wine Whenever (14:23.226)
That's true.

We Wine Whenever (14:24.879)
No, I think that she did the right thing by waiting for everybody, but I agree that it was produced where it was like, okay, you guys are gonna go listen to ghost stories and you two are gonna sit here and talk about blah, blah. But you have to.

We Wine Whenever (14:36.302)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (14:40.002)
Right, I mean, they had to get it out and it shouldn't have been in the group. you know, Whitney obviously is very upset and...

We Wine Whenever (14:42.811)
Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (14:51.294)
She goes off about, you know, how Meredith never supported her and, you know, she's always come for her and she's the gatekeeper of everything. And Heather just begs her, do not say anything on the Sprinter van. Do not say anything on the Sprinter van.

So she doesn't on the first sprinter, not on the first sprinter run.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.419)
Not yet.

We Wine Whenever (15:22.389)
And then that Sprinter van run is when Melee calls Whitney and says that, you know, they're back. And I thought for sure that's when it was going to come out, but it didn't. And Whitney's all upset with her because she never even told her she wasn't coming. And she just didn't show. She went doing, it was weird. It was weird.

We Wine Whenever (15:44.366)
That's weird.

It's like not showing up for the helicopter. But this is even worse. You're on a trip with somebody, they just invited you into a group of friends.

We Wine Whenever (15:50.432)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:51.376)
this room.

We Wine Whenever (15:54.157)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:57.751)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:59.974)
Yeah, and you're going to ditch her. And I thought it was great when they were in the bar and the bartenders were going to tell them the ghost stories. And Mary Cosby's got to talk about her stupid Jeffrey Dahmer shit with her father. The look on the bartender's faces was just like, what?

We Wine Whenever (16:00.253)
What are doing, Millie? Right!

We Wine Whenever (16:02.936)
It is weird.

We Wine Whenever (16:22.662)
Great.

We Wine Whenever (16:22.929)
And who said it? Was it Angie? She's like, I don't care what this guy's about to tell us. Nothing's as scary as what Mary just said.

We Wine Whenever (16:29.37)
It's what Mary just said.

We Wine Whenever (16:30.335)
It's true though. So Whitney tells her, listen, we have to leave in an hour. So make sure everyone gets ready. Cause you know, we have the van that's going to be taking us to Harley. And she also, Whitney talks about how like, I didn't realize how into Harley Davidson she was that she's a Harley girl and that, you know, they did this special for her and which is great. You know,

We Wine Whenever (16:59.059)
Yeah, I didn't know she wrote Harleys. I thought that was very interesting.

We Wine Whenever (17:01.96)
Yeah, I didn't know anything. I didn't know anything about that.

We Wine Whenever (17:05.053)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:05.958)
we find out all kinds of stuff. Dry queens, Harleys, whole thing.

We Wine Whenever (17:09.078)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (17:09.319)
Well, it's very interesting because Tamra Judge said that she was the only housewife that rode, was a Harley girl, that rode Harleys.

We Wine Whenever (17:17.816)
So nanny nanny haha, she's not.

We Wine Whenever (17:20.529)
That's right, nanny nanny, ha ha.

We Wine Whenever (17:22.858)
Well, because, you know, she was talking to Margaret about that because Margaret rides on the back of Joe's. Doesn't ride her own. Right. So they get on the bus to go to the Harley place and or the van and Whitney brings it up and says, you know, people are starting rumors that I buy my pieces from Alibaba. And Meredith says, yeah, that was me.

We Wine Whenever (17:27.995)
Right, but doesn't ride her own. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:53.031)
mean, at least she's, exactly. This is a different side of Meredith that we're seeing.

We Wine Whenever (17:53.151)
She owned it again. She did own it again.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.657)
When he says, why didn't you call me? Meredith says, you didn't want to hear from me.

We Wine Whenever (18:05.542)
true. But you know even with her when she was talking to Heather in the beer cave she did kind of sort of skirt around the issue. She never really said no I don't buy anything from Mally Bobby. She just said you know it's commerce and like if you watch it again she kind of skirted around it.

We Wine Whenever (18:06.217)
Be had or.

We Wine Whenever (18:37.255)
she said she curated it and she designed her pieces.

We Wine Whenever (18:42.099)
She did say something about commerce. didn't understand what she meant by that.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.462)
Yes, she didn't say anything about that she curated the pieces. She said that they're curated from vendors and blah, blah, blah. But she never said, no, I don't buy my stuff from Alibaba.

Just saying.

We Wine Whenever (19:03.091)
I I feel like her reaction tells us that she doesn't, but I don't know. I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (19:10.388)
who knows, maybe we'll find out before the season's over, right?

We Wine Whenever (19:14.331)
Yeah, I'm sure we will.

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Maybe.

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I just find it interesting that, I mean, this was her trip she planned, the Harley-Davidson was her thing, and then she brings it up before she, before they get there.

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I know normally it's the person who's throwing the event asking like, please don't start a scene. It's like, for the love of God, you're on Housewives. You literally, you host these events so there will be a scene.

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Right.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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You

And so she like puts it out there and then she's like, okay, they pull up in front of the place. All right, can we put a pin in this for now? I love Harley and this is special just for us. I'm like, wait, what?

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Yes.

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until I

Yeah, put a pin in it until I bring it up again.

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I

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Exactly. So they meet Bill Davidson. He's the VP of Harley and she calls him the modern day prophet of Harley Davidson. I was like, what? So his great grandfather in 1903 started the business with his brothers and their friend, Bill Harley, and they built their first Harley.

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Yes.

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They have 120 motorcycles and they've been in business 121 years. guess 120 different motorcycles, guess that's styles.

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will probably a model from each year. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, they probably come out with a new one every year, like a Corvette. Yeah.

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Right, right, right. So at this point, Bronwyn in her confessional says, I am surprised with these women. It was like a full on assault in the Sprinter van. And then all of a sudden she's right. Then they're on their best behavior. It's like Jekyll and Hyde. It really is interesting. Especially if you're seeing it like on the inside, like we're watching it, but I can't imagine sitting there.

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This is housewives. Yeah, this is housewives.

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firsthand.

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watching this go on because you can kind of, yeah, like you can see the looks on their faces.

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Well, it's very cringy like when there's a waiter there or, you know, somebody else there, a driver.

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Yes.

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Yeah, I had it written down that, yeah, I had it written down that Bronwyn said, like, what are we in the upside down? Did you guys watch Stranger Things? I thought that was great. I thought that was a great comment. Great comment.

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You're like.

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Yeah.

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But you are with them.

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Yes. Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, she did say that, yeah.

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So then they're sitting down at the dinner and Whitney, you know, she has a gift. She said, I want to give her everyone one of my custom designs. And she hands them all out. And she says to Meredith, if you really cared about me, you would have called me. So now she brings it up again at the Harley dinner. That is so important to her.

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Right. Right.

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I'm sorry, actually two things. Mary never has glam with her, but always looks amazing. They always show Mary doing her own hair and makeup, and she always looks amazing. So kudos, Mary. The second thing is, did you see that big ass Louis Vuitton bag that Whitney was carrying around with her in the Harley Davidson?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yes.

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I think it had changed her change of clothes for the drag show.

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Yes, yes, yes it did. Yeah, I did notice that.

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I'm like that can't be her everyday pocketbook for crying out loud. It's bigger than her

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No, no, no.

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No. I didn't notice the bag the brawn one was carrying, but it must have been huge based on what she was wearing.

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Okay.

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so

That was so funny when Mary was like, that's a costume.

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to you,

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Just saying, that's a costume.

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Well, since we're there, I just want to tell you that when she came out with what she was wearing to the drag show, was like, yeah, was like, what the fuck? And then I got it afterwards. was like, it's a penis. Yeah, I got it. It's a penis. It's a hot dog. You know, go, yeah, I got it. Yes, don't tell me it's not about that wiener. Come on.

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Hot dog outfit.

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You got it?

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That's yeah.

A wiener, she was a wiener.

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Yes, yes. Yeah, come on.

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Yeah, she was a wiener at a drag show. It is pretty clever.

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that's stupid.

That's ridiculous. No, I think it's ridiculous. I think she was ridiculous.

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It was horrible. Absolutely horrible.

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I totally agree with you.

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Why didn't you give us a designer of that?

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Right. Well, she said she saw it on a runway.

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Yes.

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so that means it's true?

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I mean, they talk about is couture, couture, couture. listen, just because you see it on a runway does not mean it's gonna translate into everyday Salt Lake City life. Or maybe Salt Lake City, maybe just not brick New Jersey. Or Milwaukee, maybe not Milwaukee.

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We're gonna have to.

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Milwaukee maybe not Milwaukee we're gonna have to look it up and see if it really was I don't care what she said I don't believe her but we're I'm gonna look it up maybe you know maybe she'll prove me wrong but when they're before we get there they're back at the table and Lisa's inserting herself in this conversation between Whitney and Meredith

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She says she saw it on a runway.

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I remember saying that.

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I don't believe you're either.

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Yeah, what is she doing?

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hard, inserting herself hard, like yeah, for absolutely no reason. And Whitney's trying to say, like, let me talk to her.

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For no reason.

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Yeah, I don't understand why she was jumping in there. Lisa is just coming hard for Whitney is what it is. She's mad at Whitney and she just wants to come for Whitney. if Meredith is gonna pile on, she's gonna jump on that bandwagon. That's what I felt like she was doing.

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No.

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Mm-hmm.

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And Meredith doesn't communicate, like you know Meredith will just get up and walk away because she can't hang. Yeah, because she can't handle it. Not because she's too good for it. But you know, they're all doing the same thing to each other, but then calling each other out on doing the same thing to each other, right?

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you'll disengage.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I think we know why Angie has center snowflake now though.

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Yeah, we certainly do.

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She buried Lisa in that. Buried her.

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But it was overly dramatic with the standing up and the chair and that stuff. was very kindergarten. was not good. It was not good. was not warranted. It was just overly, it was overdone.

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The chair.

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when she kicked that chair back, was like,

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I

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I thought it was interesting, like who thinks to stand up and kick the chair back?

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I think what happened was she was standing there and the chair was like right up against her legs and she probably like couldn't move like, you know, cause then her hands started flying and like she didn't have room to really express herself. So that's why she kicked the chair out. Yeah. Yeah. She was getting her Greek on.

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Uh-huh.

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you

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She was getting her Greek on.

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That would make sense because normally they go lunge towards the person they're yelling at, not like kicking back. thought, well, that's interesting. So she could get really closer to her and more like, yeah.

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I think she had to make room for herself to really start expressing herself.

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Lisa just seems like an exhausting friend though. Like if she said I talked to her three times a day, listen, of course you're gonna say, I would say anybody, would say Jesus is calling me, I gotta go. I cannot sit on the phone with you any longer, Lisa, because you know damn well she's just sitting there talking about herself. You know in any part of that conversation did Lisa say, how are you, Angie?

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please.

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I'd let the dog out.

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Well, that's it.

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Okay.

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But then to drop her daughter's name.

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yeah, that was wrong, that was wrong. And when Angie said, I am an engaged mother, I'm a very involved mother, you saw the look on Lisa's face. Because it was kind of a, you know, I don't know what kind of mother Lisa is, but it seemed like a bit of a dig.

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Mm-hmm.

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And how do you like Mary being the peacemaker?

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Yeah.

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Did see her face though? Her face. Then she says, it's very emotional. You do love each other, you two. was like, preach Mary, preach.

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I feel like that.

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Yeah.

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Yep. And then Brittany gets up and has to, I'm liking Mary a lot this season. I think it's a great comeback season for her. Because last season it was hard to watch. She was always complaining and you know, I saw an interview on Facebook with her and somebody who was interviewing her and they...

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I'm like in Marin.

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You know, I saw her on Watch What Happens Live.

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We haven't seen it yet, but there's gonna be a scene this season where she's talking to her son and they both start crying. And she's explaining to the guy who's interviewing her that he, I don't wanna say he was under the influence of a substance. I felt like that's what she was alluding to, but I have no idea if that's true. But he felt like he didn't wanna be here anymore.

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He was.

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Yes, that is true.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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and she started crying in the interview and they showed the scene of she and him crying together. I gotta be honest with you, it was like a different side of Mary that I don't think any of us have seen before. It was very touching. I feel awful that they were going through that, but it was very honest of her. She was so honest.

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Yeah, he got-

Yeah, he got a driving under the influence for fentanyl, marijuana, I think, cocaine. And then he was supposed to go, like they mandated that he go to rehab. And I think he just kind of blew it off and didn't go. And then he missed like a court date because he did go, then he did go to rehab.

did go to a rehab. And that's why when we see her say, he's home, he's not going to school, he's not working, it's because he's back from rehab. And he's not legally married to the check.

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Okay, well hopefully he's doing well.

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Right. I saw her say that as well.

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Yeah, say that. But on Watch What Happens Live, was saying how she's... Yes. Yes.

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Well, we wish him nothing but the best. We'll say prayers for him because that's a horrible road to have to go down. For him and for her.

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Yeah, she was saying how she is, she is much happier this season. She did say it. So I guess that's why she's, she's better.

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So maybe last season, maybe she was in the midst of dealing with all of that with her son, but we didn't know. That makes sense.

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It's all that. I think that's it.

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Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense.

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And then Brittany has to announce that she's broken up with what's-his-face Jared, but he doesn't know yet.

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Jared. And that she's had an epiphany. right. then Heather's like, and then we see all the epiphanies that she's had for the same subject.

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Right, again.

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And again.

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And Mary says, I want my five minutes back.

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Yeah, that's great.

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That's what she said. They're gonna be back together in five minutes. I want my five minutes back. And then the producers ask Brittany if she's told Jared yet that they broke up. Nope, no she has not.

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I thought I, when she started.

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I mean, she's lit.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead, Lore.

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When she started going for Braum when I was like, girl, you're out of your league. I knew Braum was gonna come back at her and just like whip her ass with words. And I was just like, what are you, you swim with shark, what are you doing? What are you doing?

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She was out of her league.

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when Bronwyn said, anybody else have any questions about my husband's dick?

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Great line.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it was a bit of a mic drop moment. She did eat her up with her words. She did eat her up with her words.

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It was good.

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It was.

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She did eat her up.

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So that this all happened because Heather's Heather says, you know, because he's an Osmond, he's like royalty when he walks into the room, everyone wants to know if he lives on Osmond Lane. And she's like, no, she's really in love with him. I mean, she really is in love with him. That's when Braunwyn asks her, that's why she went after. Braunwyn says, well, are you in love with him or his name? And you know, that's that's a harsh thing to say. She said she was in love with him.

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Right.

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Heather's the one who said it was about his name and who he was. She never said that.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So that's when she asks, you know, I thought it was hysterical when she said, what's your husband's name?

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She's like, you're accusing me being a gold, you don't even know my husband's name.

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I don't know.

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And by the way, hasn't he come out and said like they weren't even together. He agreed to be her boyfriend on the show or something like that. Like a, like a Roger situation for Kenya, her first year on Atlanta. Remember the refrigeration guy.

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something.

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He came out on social media before this actually came out and said that. But again, I don't know if that's true or not.

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Right, I know, he could just be saying that to save face.

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Yeah, I don't know.

Mm-hmm.

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Right. Right.

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She does look like a high schooler though.

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Yeah, she does. She does. I agree. I really agree.

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I mean, this is like, it's like watching my high school relationship play out on reality TV, but she's 40.

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Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, not good.

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I do think it's interesting though that at the end too before she said about his dick

She doesn't have a prenup. Now what well-established smart businessman would not get a prenup?

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Bronwyn said that, right?

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Yes, she doesn't have a prenup.

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Yeah.

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I thought that was crazy.

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Right. Like, what?

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Yeah, I don't know what that's all about. No, that math is not math-ing.

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It doesn't, that doesn't make sense, does it?

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Not at all. No, that math is not mapping.

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Right?

I mean, it's not like, you know, I don't know. I thought that was.

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Somebody said it though, they're like, maybe his first wife got everything and he doesn't even have...

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Yeah, maybe.

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I don't know, she's-

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but I thought that was wild.

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She's got enough money for a couture hotdog outfit, so I don't know.

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She said she brought money into the marriage too, right?

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Well, she said she was in finance. She said she was in the financial industry when she met him. And she has a real relationship with him. She really loves him. She's not going to take him to the cleaners. And it's like, come on.

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Right.

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Right.

Yeah, that was wild to me that they don't have a prenup.

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Yeah, that's pretty wild.

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And then Meredith in her confessional says, this is some very personal information. And then she's like, well, Seth and I decided to get a post-nup, but that's when things were kind of dicey.

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I agree with Meredith. you know, I don't... That is personal. Because... I don't know. I mean, we've seen people talk about it on How His Wives Allot. It came up on Jersey.

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It is personal information.

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No, it does get talked about a lot.

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But I guess like for a lot of the housewives, you would do it to protect yourself because you are on TV and people do know who you are and somebody will seek you out like a Brooks and take advantage of you. Louis for sure, I mean 100%. But in her case, obviously, know, that's, it flipped but.

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Like a loon.

Mm.

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Yeah, I thought that was wild that they didn't have one but again, it's nobody's business. Maybe he's got plenty for to go around

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Yeah, maybe, maybe. And then Whitney comments that she doesn't like that Britney's doing this, calling her the stereotypical gold digger, because she said she got that because Justin and her have a big age difference too. And she felt like, just because there's an age difference doesn't mean you're a gold digger. I mean, it doesn't, you're right. It doesn't mean you're a gold digger.

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Yeah.

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Alright.

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Yeah, I guess.

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No.

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No, we know, know plenty of people.

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So.

Yeah, when I was watching Watch What Happens Live with Mary Cosby, they asked her if she thought that Meredith Marks was kind of retaliating against Whitney in regards to the jewelry thing. And Mary said,

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Yeah, Mary's got Whitney's back.

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Yeah, yeah, know. Mm-hmm. And she also said that, I think Andy asked her, you know, about her and Whitney, and she said that Whitney apologized to her and her husband. And she felt after that, that that's when her relationship with her took a big turn.

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Hehehehehe

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That's great.

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Okay.

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Why did Whitney need to apologize to Mary's husband? after she went to church with them? That time she went to church?

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She called them predators.

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Yes.

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She called them predators.

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It came up on the trip last year. Mary said it was something else. She called it something else. She called it pedophiles.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now I remember. Yeah, now I remember that. Now I remember that.

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Yeah, yes.

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did? Mary. I saw the first couple minutes of Watch What Happens Live and Andy did ask Mary if we were going to see Robert Senior at all. And she said, no, not yet. he said, I don't know how she phrased it, but she said that, you know, he

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She said, you called us a pedophile or something. And, and when he was like, no, I didn't. It was a predator.

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Yeah.

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Do you remember what he said, what she said, Lori? Something about like he

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She said something like...

He's not happy about the city or he holds a grudge against something. He's not happy.

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He holds

He's not, yeah, he holds a grudge. Yeah, yeah, he holds a grudge. And at first I thought a grudge with like her, and then Andy goes with Bravo, and Mary's like, well, he's like, producers, me? And she's like, well, not you. But yeah, like he doesn't like the way he was portrayed. No, and.

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I don't blame him, but you were her step grandfather. But two things can be true. He was her step grandfather, but Bravo did, I mean, they produced that to make it look as salacious as they could.

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Yeah, so that's.

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Yeah.

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Definitely. So, you we were speculating like, where is he? Is he still in Las Vegas? So maybe he's there. We're just not seeing him because he doesn't want to be on camera.

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Yeah, he could be at the house. Do they still have their church?

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Maybe, yeah.

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Right?

They haven't had their church for a while.

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Yes. Well, no, they do because she was just saying she was she just said she said it just got refurbished. They redid all the pews, all the carpeting. So, yes. Yes.

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No. she said it on Watch What Happens Live?

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So I wonder, now somebody said she was suing two people from her church, right, for stealing money? Okay, so they must have maybe settled that lawsuit and now they can rebuild or, you If somebody stole that much money, maybe they were like in a hole and they couldn't proceed. And now hopefully they settled and...

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Hmm.

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Yes, she is.

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And maybe that gave him the injection. Yeah, I don't know.

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She made it sound like.

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I think the lawsuits, I think the lawsuits knew. I don't think that lawsuit is settled.

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Well, how do we find out about it?

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No, that's no, that's no. I'll find out about it. But that is a new thing. Wendy's right, that lawsuit is a new thing. She, yeah.

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The lawsuits? No, yeah.

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The lawsuit is? okay. I thought they said it on the show and I'm thinking, well they... okay.

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No, told us. Laurie told us about it. But Heather MacDonald went there last year. Like she went to the church. She physically went there and she announced that it was closed, like it wasn't open. That's why I said the church isn't open. And she announced it on her on her show.

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No. Yeah.

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So maybe it was closed and they were doing virtual while they were renovating it. While they were renovating it.

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or renovating it. Maybe.

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right at right and Mary made it sound like that the reason why it hasn't been shown is that that was Bravo's decision to not show her church that's what she said yeah but she right but she said the reason why it hasn't been shown again was kind of Bravo's decision but she said it's getting remodeled and blah blah blah so we'll see

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They did at one point though. We saw the inside of it at least once. It was choir practice or something.

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Okay.

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Well, there were allegations at one point that they were, you know, stealing money, not stealing money, but, you know, manipulating people into giving them a lot of money. And maybe Bravo, yeah, and maybe Bravo was like, yeah, we're gonna, we're not gonna film there. We don't need to be named in any additional lawsuits.

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taking out mortgages on their homes.

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Well...

This is a thing, part of Mary's mother or grandmother, when she started the church, she was in a lot of different things. She had also has a mortgage, she had a mortgage company also. And that is a division of the church that the people who were stealing the money worked in.

So there's a whole tie-in with that. Yeah, there's a whole tie-in with that whole thing.

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wow.

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All right, I'm gonna say this, but I'm not making any allegations, but it sounds like the guy from the TikTok dancers.

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Right? Didn't he do the same thing? He had a church and then he started businesses like that. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not making any allegations, but mortgages and church don't really seem to go together.

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Mm-hmm. Yep. Yes.

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Yep. Yep.

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No, it's not good.

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No, it is not good. Did you see Jen Shaw's sentence just got lessened again? Now she's getting out, I think December 19th, 2027. It was supposed to be 2028. They just lowered her sentence again. This is the second time it's happened. I have no idea. That I don't know, but I do know that they just lowered her sentence. And then there was a, I saw a meme up. think it was, she's coming back three years, season eight.

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No.

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for what, like good behavior?

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Season 8, and Shaw returns.

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She won't be back.

She won't be back, but I'm gonna say this. The brown girls get treated differently by Bravo. I've said it before, I'm saying it again.

The only difference I'll say between she and Teresa is that Teresa screwed banks out of money and Jen Shaw screwed innocent people out of money. So maybe that's what Bravo's defense will be, but I don't know, Bravo. I see a lot of difference.

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Yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe she'll get it reduced even more.

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Yeah. She's still ain't coming back. Once they kicked her out of BravoCon, that was it, Jen.

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So do kinda...

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Yeah, that's true. So then we get we didn't even get there. Then they go to the drag show. We've just gone off on our tangents. They go to the drag show.

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I'm just out of even... I don't even have anything about that.

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They go to the drag show and it was very short to be quite honest with you, but Whitney says her love and fascination with drag started when she was a little girl and she loves supporting drag queens. She's always had, she feels like it brings the community together and then it ends up with all the housewives get up and they have like a dance off on stage.

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I did see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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and Lisa has no rhythm. No rhythm. No rhythm. Mary. Mary. Mary. And the crowd loved Mary for chanting her name. I loved it. Yeah. Mary can move. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah, but it was not. It's not. There's not a lot of seasoning going on there. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, she does not. No.

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don't think any of them did. Did any of them?

Merry

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Yeah. Angie maybe a little bit? Was Angie twerking?

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Hmm.

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No,

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Not good.

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I didn't even see Meredith dance. Did you see Meredith dance?

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I don't think Meredith can dance. That would be my guess. If I had to say, can Meredith dance? I'd say no. I think she would have no rhythm.

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Yeah, I would think.

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Yeah, she probably just didn't even attempt.

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Yeah.

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another dog.

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I guess that's it for now. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Please like, follow, and share, and Five Stars Reviews would be great as well. Bye.

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Mm-hmm. Thank you. Bye.