From Mammograms to Meltdowns: The London Showdown

From Mammograms to Meltdowns: The London Showdown

RHOC Season 18, Episode 14: "High Tea & High Tension"

The episode starts with Heather leading the ladies to get mammograms after a casual nail salon conversation revealed they hadn’t done so in a while. The check-ups spark concern, particularly when Jen reveals she’s had a lump for five months, but fortunately, everyone’s results come back clear or manageable.

Meanwhile, Shannon receives a snarky message from someone referencing a $75,000 loan she owes. Tensions rise as the women prepare for their trip to London, with packing scenes showcasing Shannon’s excitement to visit her daughters abroad. Tamra, discussing Jen and Ryan with her husband Eddie, advises staying out of petty drama, despite her ongoing issues with Jen.

The ladies’ trip to London kicks off with a celebratory flight for Shannon’s 60th birthday. Once in London, Shannon gives everyone English-themed gifts, including Burberry scarves and British flag bucket hats, while planning sightseeing excursions, including a thrilling boat ride on the Thames that not all of the women enjoy.

At a five-course dinner, Tamra addresses the group’s mammogram results, leading Heather to tearfully express her hurt that no one asked about her experience, despite her high cancer risk due to dense breast tissue. Gina, confused by Heather’s timing, wonders why Heather didn’t mention it earlier.

Tensions rise further when Heather confronts Shannon about inconsistencies between their private conversations and Shannon’s public statements on Jeff Lewis’s show, particularly regarding a car accident and Shannon’s relationship with John Jansen. Shannon denies misleading Heather, leading to a heated argument. Tamra accuses Shannon of using emotional manipulation, sparking Shannon’s furious exit from the restaurant.

The episode ends with Gina comforting Shannon, reminding her of her strength while tensions between Tamra, Heather, and Shannon remain unresolved.

Takeaways

• Heather's tagline was not well received.
• The timing of the mammogram episode aligns with Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
• The cast's behavior is often influenced by editing and production decisions.
• Health screenings are crucial, as shown by Jen's scare with a lump.
• The group dynamics are complicated, with Tamra often stirring the pot.
• Shannon's birthday celebration in London was a highlight of the trip.
• Miscommunication can lead to unnecessary drama among friends.
• The hosts appreciate the humor and absurdity of the cast's actions.
• Tamra's involvement often complicates situations for others.
• The trip to London provided both fun and tension for the group. The unexpected adventures in London led to mixed feelings among the cast.
• Personal choices regarding glam can spark discussions and judgments.
• Emotional conversations during dinner reveal deeper issues among friends.
• Family connections can bring both joy and emotional challenges.
• Conflict often arises from misunderstandings and differing perspectives.
• Friendship dynamics play a crucial role in navigating conflicts.
• Public scrutiny can add pressure to personal struggles.
• Confrontations can lead to emotional outbursts and revelati

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.992)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 18, Episode Number 14, High Tea and High Tension is the title of this one.

We Wine Whenever (00:03.309)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:15.767)
Yeah, I noticed I really don't like Heather's tagline. It is, just because I drink from a flute doesn't mean you can play me. It's two different kinds of flutes, Heather. It doesn't mean...

We Wine Whenever (00:20.183)
What was it?

We Wine Whenever (00:25.23)
Hmm.

Well, I think she knows that. I think she knows that. Yeah. I don't love it either. It's funny because we didn't ever break down their taglines. Like we skipped them.

We Wine Whenever (00:37.785)
No, yeah, I don't remember doing it. just because honestly, I don't pay that close attention. Like when they released them before the show's air, I probably pay more attention to it then. But when the shows are beginning, I don't really pay attention to them. But I heard that last night. But now we but but then I watched the episode and I'm like, well, she's saying now that Shannon will get there, but she's saying now that Shannon played her. now we get it. But I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (00:40.269)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:48.088)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:02.87)
Yeah.

Yeah. So we start out with Heather checking into some medical facility and they're all getting mammograms. And by the mall, mean her, Gina, and Jen. So she had mentioned when they were out someplace, they were talking about it. And she found out that none of the girls had had mammograms recently. And she's a big advocate for that. So how appropriate that it is October.

We Wine Whenever (01:14.841)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:35.435)
Yeah, I thought the same thing. Good timing with airing.

We Wine Whenever (01:35.477)
right now and it's breast cancer awareness. you know, that was perfect.

We Wine Whenever (01:40.227)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:45.736)
So they get there and Jen's telling them like what happened when she went over to Alexis's house and how she threw them out of the house. And Shannon Badour then says, well, she said, did you hear from her? Like, did you hear from her? Jen said, and she said, well, she sent me a text last night. And this is the text that she sent her.

We Wine Whenever (01:52.951)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:14.997)
Hi Shannon Bador, since you're hosting this amazing trip to Europe with our friends, surely you can scrounge up the funds to pay my future husband his $75,000 you borrowed and owe him safe travels. Heart emoji. Are you kidding me?

We Wine Whenever (02:32.515)
So like, again, they're just making themselves look like such assholes and then blaming her for making them look like assholes.

We Wine Whenever (02:41.939)
ridiculous blaming it on the edit they're blaming it on the edit

We Wine Whenever (02:44.461)
Yes, yes, them, Shannon, the producers, they really didn't have to do much. The producers kind of had a season off. They didn't even have to do anything. The show kind of produced itself, really.

We Wine Whenever (02:55.954)
I know.

I know, it really did. It really did. So then the doctor comes out and she says that, you know, she's gonna be seeing each one of them, you know, shortly they're gonna bring it back for their mammograms. And then Jen says, well, I have this lump over here. And I was like, and everyone, everyone's face dropped and five months and, know, she's like, all right, well, we'll take a look at it. And then, you know, we'll see.

We Wine Whenever (03:01.241)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (03:19.324)
months

We Wine Whenever (03:29.566)
after we do your tests. And she goes and she gets the mammogram and then she does an ultrasound and finds out it's just from her breast implant, something from her breast implant. right, whatever it was. But thank God, but again, like how dumb. I mean, I get it.

We Wine Whenever (03:41.355)
Yeah, just a scar tissue, whatever, whatever it is.

We Wine Whenever (03:48.173)
Five months, like that could be catastrophic though if it's, you know.

We Wine Whenever (03:52.145)
Yeah, yes, yes. And then Gina gets hers and they want to do an ultrasound because she wants to make sure she's got another lymph node and she's fine and Shannon's is fine. And she tells Heather hers is fine, but because of her age and her dense breasts, the mammogram doesn't really detect it as well. So she has an estimated risk.

number that she gives her and it's based on I guess her age and her family history and other criteria and hers is at 39 % which is pretty high. And then Heather's like, well, like what is like what is the average for my you know age group or whatever and she's like 12%. Yeah and I could see why she was startled with that and you know she's like okay so obviously she was gonna go home and talk to Terry about it.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.527)
Yeah, that's a big difference.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:49.69)
And then they go out in the waiting room and the girls are all talking and they're like, mine was good. Mine was good. Okay. Thank I have to go. have to go. And they really didn't ask Heather how hers was. I mean, they didn't. I mean, she says it in a confessional, but she was the one who invited them there. And I believe

We Wine Whenever (05:01.815)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:09.091)
Didn't she come out right then and say about the elevated risk or no? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (05:13.977)
She didn't because what, you know, I watched, did you watch Watch What Happens Live? Okay, so Shannon, yeah. So Shannon said that she came out at the same time as Gina and Gina's like, you know, everything's good. I have my other lymph node and everyone's like, good, good and good. And they didn't realize that they didn't ask her, which.

We Wine Whenever (05:20.643)
I did, with Shannon. Yes, I did.

We Wine Whenever (05:27.809)
Right, they were in the room together and they heard them, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:41.409)
Right, because while they were still in the room, they were like, yay, everything's good. So they assumed that it was Heather and Gina that, yay, it's all good. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:50.39)
Right, right. So I can see where it would happen. I can see how it would happen.

We Wine Whenever (05:54.987)
Yeah, I still don't think you need to cry and ruin a dinner over it, but we'll get there.

We Wine Whenever (05:59.364)
Yeah. And then all the girls are getting ready to go to London and they're packing, you know, with their hats and their crazy furs and Shannon's talking to her daughter and then her other daughter, Adeline calls and they want to show her, they want to FaceTime her the portrait, the boudoir portrait that she got and they show her that. And it turns out, which I thought was interesting, Stella goes to the University of Paris and Adeline happens to be visiting her at the same time Shannon's going to be there. So

We Wine Whenever (06:15.512)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:26.935)
Yeah, that's nice.

We Wine Whenever (06:27.951)
Two of her girls are gonna be there when she's there. Like in France, know, she's gonna be in London, which is just a, you know, a hop, skip and a jump away. So then Tamar's talking to Eddie about how things were with Jen and Tamar says, when she got to the tea party, you know, she sat down and Jen was there and she said, you know, I apologize. You know, we need to talk about this, but this isn't the time. And Eddie's like, well, what did Jen say? And she's like, well, she said fine, like she does.

We Wine Whenever (06:35.299)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:58.222)
Like, what did you-

We Wine Whenever (06:58.457)
Well then, but she sent her another text. Tamara sent her another text apologizing. Even after that. exactly, like what do you want? You pummeled them on air, on TV.

We Wine Whenever (07:04.59)
Right.

But what did she want her to say? did, like, what did, right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:18.286)
So then Eddie says to Tamara, like, do me a favor, please. Next time, don't get into fights with little bitches. I was like, Tamara says, well, maybe I need to bring him a tampon.

We Wine Whenever (07:32.741)
Like, here's the thing, Ryan handled that very well. He did. I mean, I definitely wouldn't have handled it that well. I would have gone right back at her and I would have hit way below the belt. So he handled that. So to me, he's not a little bitch because he didn't do that. And I don't think Eddie would either. So she needs to stop with the little bitch thing because

We Wine Whenever (07:37.101)
He did. He did.

We Wine Whenever (08:01.493)
He could have went in real hard on her. She's got a lot of targets on her people can go at. And he didn't.

We Wine Whenever (08:09.143)
I know, I know, but Eddie's...

We Wine Whenever (08:11.319)
And I do wonder what Shannon knows about Tamra because Shannon keeps like alluding to that. Like I'm not, I'm not going back at her with things I could. So there must be a lot there, especially, well, I'm not going to say it because I keep getting myself into trouble and I wish I knew what Shannon knew about Tamra because I think it's a lot.

We Wine Whenever (08:27.147)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (08:33.75)
Well, maybe we'll find out at some point.

We Wine Whenever (08:36.065)
And Tamara said that her and Jem would be fine if they just left Ryan out of it. You're the one who keeps bringing up Ryan. So stop bringing up her boyfriend and then everything will be fine. She's not doing it. And she's not bringing up your husband either.

We Wine Whenever (08:40.491)
Right.

Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (08:49.704)
No, she's not doing it. Exactly. Right. It's Tamar stirring the pot every single time. So I thought you'd be very happy to see that the ladies had this very long flight and they were dressed appropriately for a long flight. They were wearing their leggings and their sweats and their comfy clothes.

We Wine Whenever (08:57.142)
every single time.

We Wine Whenever (09:06.733)
They were.

We Wine Whenever (09:10.605)
They were so comfortable. I was so happy to see it. But see, these are veteran housewives. They get it. You know, New York, they're still new. They'll get there.

We Wine Whenever (09:14.195)
As I watched it. Yes, yes.

Well, I mean, they were only going a 30 minute helicopter ride. This was probably a 13 hour flight. I just, the things that Emily does, she makes me laugh.

We Wine Whenever (09:26.573)
Yeah, that's true. How about Emily brushing her teeth with, what was it, Dr. Pepper?

We Wine Whenever (09:34.775)
That's yeah, that's right up there with the turkey sandwich in the sauna, which I would do the same thing if I'm hungry, I'm eating.

We Wine Whenever (09:41.281)
But are you gonna use Dr. Pepper when you're brushing your teeth? No, I don't either. I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (09:44.482)
No, I don't like soda.

No, I would have asked for a bottle of water.

We Wine Whenever (09:52.158)
Yes. And then Heather gets up and announces to the flight that they are celebrating Shannon's 60th birthday and that she's single.

We Wine Whenever (09:59.907)
That was cute. I actually liked that. I really liked that. I thought they went a little heavy with it once they got to London.

We Wine Whenever (10:06.588)
Yes they did, the poor guy, the, the, my, yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (10:09.145)
The silver fox. But that was cute when she did it on the plane. I thought that was cute.

We Wine Whenever (10:14.398)
Yes.

What else? so they get there and Shannon introduces herself at the hotel as Shannon Storms Bedore, the Duchess of Corona Del Mar. I was like, what?

We Wine Whenever (10:30.617)
And would she say these are my ladies I'm waiting

We Wine Whenever (10:36.774)
Yes, and these are my ladies in waiting. Listen, I love how she takes a theme and she goes all out with it.

We Wine Whenever (10:40.887)
Mm-hmm. For sure. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:45.403)
and she was nice enough to buy them English themed gifts. She got them all their own Burberry scarves, which were beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (10:54.732)
Absolutely beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (10:56.683)
And you know, Heather said, take mine back in her confession. yes. And listen, just be nice. Take the scarf. Just be nice. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:00.279)
And Tamara, and Tamara had a comp.

We Wine Whenever (11:06.723)
Just be nice. She offered him the money. She's not trying to hide the fact that she's, she does, like, she's not saying, I mean, she's saying, I don't want to pay him, but she did make him the offer. And did you hear what she said on Watch What Happens Live last night? So he finally accepted her offer, but she has to issue a statement saying that he was very generous throughout the relationship. How insecure is this guy?

We Wine Whenever (11:18.462)
She did. She did.

I did.

But.

We Wine Whenever (11:32.764)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:36.673)
How insecure is he?

We Wine Whenever (11:36.702)
They say, just do it. Everyone knows it means nothing.

We Wine Whenever (11:42.721)
At this point, it would actually be funny if she did do it. But she said you have a big penis. She said you're good in bed. She offered you the money back and you gave her $75,000. So nobody's going to question if you have money at this point. You handed this woman 75 grand. You're asking it back now. But what more do you need?

We Wine Whenever (11:47.197)
100%.

We Wine Whenever (12:09.639)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:09.719)
Nobody's questioning if you have money now when you just handed her 75 grand.

We Wine Whenever (12:14.555)
Yeah, yeah, I, it's ridiculous. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (12:16.619)
It's so bizarre to me. I don't think John J. I don't think Shannon's ex realizes that nobody really knows who he is and nobody really cares.

We Wine Whenever (12:29.095)
Well, that's it. Nobody really cares. That's it. You got that right. Nobody really cares.

We Wine Whenever (12:33.581)
Yeah, stop making these foolish demands and get your money back and move on with your new... Good luck to you, but move on with your new.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.466)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. I totally agree. Totally agree. Then Tamra goes over to Heather and says to Heather, are we gonna bring up the Jeff Lewis thing?

We Wine Whenever (12:48.398)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:55.278)
And Heather is saying that she has a very hard time supporting Shannon now when she tells me one thing and then she goes on Jeff Lewis and says something else.

We Wine Whenever (13:04.993)
Now I'm curious to know your opinion on this because I have an opinion on this.

We Wine Whenever (13:09.647)
Well, the interesting thing about it is I watched this today and I had one opinion about it. And on the way home from work today, Jeff Lewis podcast was on and he had on Katie and he had on Jen Pedrani.

We Wine Whenever (13:29.546)
I have to listen to that.

We Wine Whenever (13:31.1)
And it was after they just, it was actually, they did it on Wednesday, because it was after they did the reunion. And he spoke about this. He spoke about this whole situation. And what he said was that, and I remember this at the time, Jeff Lewis was supposed to be on OC and have this conversation with Shannon on camera.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.483)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (13:57.965)
Yes he was, yes he was.

We Wine Whenever (13:59.079)
And he made that slip up on Watch What Happens Live and Andy was pissed about it. But then Bravo refused to cover his ass if John Jansen were to sue him. They were making him responsible and liable for anything he said. And he said, well, I'm not gonna go on here for entertainment purposes because I know who, even if he was, even if he was.

We Wine Whenever (14:24.429)
He's not getting peed.

Right, you're just putting a target on your back.

We Wine Whenever (14:30.242)
Right, he said, I'm not doing that. So that's why he didn't do it. That's why he didn't do it. So then when he had Shannon on the podcast, he said something different than what she said. So he said that when he had her on the podcast, she was very upset, which you can see that she was upset because they, you know, they.

We Wine Whenever (14:35.641)
interesting.

We Wine Whenever (14:57.892)
They've played it back. Like we've seen the, we've seen the converse. Yeah. And when he said it to her, she was afraid and he could see that she was afraid. again, he's already suing her and she was afraid if she said that this, that he would sue her for more money. And so he just dropped it. He just dropped it. Now, when she was on watch what happens live, she said she misspoke, which could have also

We Wine Whenever (14:59.703)
Yeah, we saw the clip.

We Wine Whenever (15:26.711)
been the case. either way, I don't think that she had, either way, even before I heard the podcast, even before I saw the Watch What Happens Live, I don't think that when she went over to Heather's, I don't think that she was trying to dupe her. really believe what she said, that she was really having a hard time with what was going on after she just got that news and she was really upset. that's what she told Heather.

We Wine Whenever (15:27.917)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:56.45)
tell Heather that so she could get it on camera? There was other ways she could have done that if that's what her motive.

We Wine Whenever (15:59.351)
So I totally agree with you. And quite honestly, this, and maybe I'm wrong because I sat there for a minute and I rewound and I sat there and I'm like, maybe, did I hear something different? I heard her say to Heather when Heather said, do you think he heard you crash? She said, I don't know. When Jeff asked her, she said, I haven't really thought about it. Now to me,

Okay, they're not the same, but they're in the same realm of an answer. Like, I don't know if he heard and I haven't really thought about it. To me, they are not vastly different answers. They're certainly not different enough for Heather to think she got duped or played. Don't you agree?

We Wine Whenever (16:47.99)
right. I agree and really what she was saying is because at that time she spoke to Heather, she said a good friend of mine, didn't she didn't know she didn't

We Wine Whenever (16:57.941)
Exactly. She wouldn't even name his name because he's such a litigious person they're all scared.

We Wine Whenever (17:03.112)
She didn't name his name. Heather had no idea who she was referring to. And she said to Heather that this friend of mine said, do you think he heard it? And she's like, well, I don't know. I didn't give it any thought. That's what she said to Heather then. And when he asked her on the podcast, again, whether she was afraid or she misspoke, like she said she did,

We Wine Whenever (17:07.694)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:19.607)
Exactly!

We Wine Whenever (17:31.877)
on watch what happens live. Again, like either one is plausible and they both have the same kind of, there was no mal intent in that conversation. It wasn't that she was going to try and dupe Heather. She's not that devious. She's not that person. That's not who she is. And I was very surprised to be quite honest with you, because you know me, I like Heather. I do like Heather. I don't like that she,

We Wine Whenever (17:56.088)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:00.633)
listens to Tamra too much and every time she does it bites somebody else in the ass because also on the podcast with Jeff Lewis, Katie was talking about what happened with Gina and the paparazzi and you know, do you think she threw you under the bus? And what Katie said was, you know, initially what happened was is I was talking to Gina

We Wine Whenever (18:03.171)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:30.035)
Before we started filming.

We Wine Whenever (18:34.541)
Did you hear that?

We Wine Whenever (18:35.784)
I did. Is that at your house?

We Wine Whenever (18:40.511)
I think a car just drove by and kids were screaming. I think that's what just happened.

We Wine Whenever (18:47.239)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.761)
I'm going to ask Bill later if he heard that.

We Wine Whenever (18:52.092)
Okay. I forgot what I was saying.

We Wine Whenever (18:58.179)
Katie was talking on Jeff Lewis about the Gina thing.

We Wine Whenever (18:59.938)
yeah, so Katie said, so she was talking to Gina before filming started and she had mentioned about the paparazzi thing and she thought it was funny. And Gina said to her then, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, you can bring that, you know, you can bring that up. And then a couple of days later, Gina calls her up and said, you know what I thought about it? Don't bring it up, do not bring it up. And Katie's like, well, I already talked to casting. They already know about it.

because she was already, it was already, they were already working on casting her at the time.

We Wine Whenever (19:33.485)
so production was involved.

We Wine Whenever (19:35.089)
Yes. And then, and then what happened when she went to the golf outing was that Gina was saying to her, you need to tell Heather because she had already told Tamara and the other girls and she didn't want to get back to Heather from somebody other than Katie. And that's exactly what happened. Tamara went there first. Once again, Tamara making it worse and still perpetuating to this day that Gina threw her under the bus. So what Kate,

We Wine Whenever (19:52.643)
Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:04.123)
What Katie said was, listen, after I watched it back, I don't really think she did throw me under the bus. She goes, at the time I did. She goes, but after I watched it back, like she was in a tough situation. Like she was in the middle and she explained exactly what happened. And her and Jen are close right now. Katie and Jen are very close and you know, they were talking and they were agreeing about it. So I believe that that's what happened.

We Wine Whenever (20:21.115)
I know and I love that.

We Wine Whenever (20:30.135)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:30.78)
Both of these instances are all because of Tamra. Like if Tamra hadn't been involved in it, these things wouldn't be going on. She has to insert herself in things that have nothing to do with her. It's frustrating to watch. It really is frustrating to watch.

We Wine Whenever (20:38.53)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:43.128)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:46.485)
It is very frustrating to watch.

We Wine Whenever (20:50.063)
So then they go and they're going on to their trip. They're going to go on a boat ride and Shannon got all the girls their bucket hats and they're walking over the London Bridge and she wants them all to put on their British flag bucket hats and take a picture. Listen, I'm here for it because I would have done the same damn thing and you know I would. I do. I do. So they got their picture and then they're all going on the Thames River rocket boat.

The rocket boat's the thing that got me. I didn't realize it was gonna be like a rocket boat.

We Wine Whenever (21:24.437)
Yeah, rock being the operative word. That was crazy. I would have been so seasick on that thing.

We Wine Whenever (21:31.372)
It was funny to watch, I'll be honest with you. I mean, they didn't really want to go on it to begin with, but then at the end when Emily's like, love the boat, like this is like the best thing ever. And everyone else is like, I hate it. And Heather's like, you know, this was not on the list, my London list, not, you know, I wanted to see the crown jewels, maybe go to Harrods, Harrods, you know, department store, not this.

We Wine Whenever (21:34.115)
Yeah.

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You

We Wine Whenever (21:54.029)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was great.

We Wine Whenever (21:58.529)
It was good. Then Emily and Gina are back at the hotel and they're getting ready for their next adventure and they ask where all the girls are. And Emily's like, well, they're, you know, they're getting their glam done. And Gina brings it up again about Jen getting the glam and you know.

We Wine Whenever (22:13.753)
feel like Jem was using Katie's glam though. Yeah. Not that it's anybody's effing business, but I do think that that was Katie's glam and Jem was borrowing them.

We Wine Whenever (22:16.151)
I think she was. I think that they were sharing.

We Wine Whenever (22:21.507)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:25.645)
I do, and like you said, not that it's anyone's business. Right. No, no, it's not. It really isn't.

We Wine Whenever (22:28.311)
It's not! It's certainly not Gina and Emily's business.

We Wine Whenever (22:36.521)
but by the way, what Gina said is exactly what I did for my wedding. So I had gotten my wedding dress at the time Menlo Park Mall, Macy's had a bridal Rama. So I got my wedding dress at the bridal shop in the Macy's at Menlo Park Mall. So when I, the day I picked it up or my last fitting, whatever, I went down to the Mac counter and I had the girl do my entire, I told her I'm getting married, do my bridal makeup. She showed me how to do it and I bought every product she used.

So she got a nice commission. You know, I'm sure I tipped her. I'm sure I gave her something, but she basically showed me how to do my whole face for my wedding. And I did it myself. So it wasn't exactly, it was what Gina does. And it's fine. You're buying the product for them. They're getting the commission. No.

We Wine Whenever (23:13.676)
And then you did it yourself, which is what Gina does.

We Wine Whenever (23:23.136)
Right, right. There's nothing wrong with that. Then Katie is asking Jen how she's doing with Tamara and what does she think about going to dinner tonight because they still haven't really spoke. And Emily and Gina go to Shannon's room and she's not ready yet and they're helping her tease her hair.

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when she was sitting there and she had like the snookie poof. I'm like, I hope nobody took a still shot of that because that will come and bite her in the ass.

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It's so funny. Sometimes in her quirky moments, she is so disheveled, but she always cleans up very nice. Yes, yes. She really does clean up well. So they get to the dinner and they're having a five course meal. noted that. And then Tamra at the dinner.

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She's like Chrissy Snow from Three's Company.

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Said I heard about the mammograms once again. Stirring the pot and Gina's was good, but I didn't hear how yours was, Heather. Come on.

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That was like a layup. Like you know they had her, they didn't show them talking about it, right? But they clearly talked about it.

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No. Yep. And that's when Heather said no when he asked me how mine was.

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Did you notice she changed the numbers? Did you notice she said that she has a foot? It's not a big deal, but she said she has a 40 % chance of getting it. And the normal, you know, when it was really 39 and the normal is 11 when it was really 12, not a big deal. But if we're putting so much emphasis on being trustworthy, Heather, you change the numbers in your favor of, of sympathy, looking for sympathy.

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Yes, I did.

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I know I did. I did.

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Exactly. did. I did notice that. I will say this. When she started crying at the table, I thought it was fake.

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I totally agree with you. I think she's the biggest narcissist.

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And I thought it was fake. I mean, she is a trained actress. Again, I'm a huge Heather fan. But I have to call out what I saw. I thought it was fake. I thought it was fake. I thought she made too big of a deal about it. know, okay, you had your moment. Then let's just let it go. And then Gina says, you know, she sees the hip.

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Exactly. I know you are. I know you are.

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hypocrisy with Heather. you know, you say you want me to tell you when something's bothering me. Well, why don't you tell me? Like, why didn't you call me afterwards and say it? Like, now we're in London and you're crying at the table. Like, I get it. I get where Gina's coming from. Like, it's not right. It's not right.

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Yeah, no, I totally, totally agree with you. I totally agree.

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And then Katie, then Katie's Katie starts talking about how, you know, thank God Heather has her medical history because she doesn't have hers because she was adopted and she's going to go to Korea, which we knew to go meet her birth mom. And I was very shocked to hear that her birth mom was 15 when she had her. yes. So her mom is 55 and she's 40. So her mom was 15 when she had her.

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I it was ridiculous.

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Right, right.

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I didn't hear that part.

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And you know, she starts when she's telling them she's a little bit emotional, she starts crying. And you know, in her confessional, she said like, I think that what my mom gave me was a gift because she obviously wasn't equipped at 15 years old. And she said her mom took her home for three days and tried to do it. I mean, at 15. Listen, she did the right thing. She did the right thing. I really hope we get to see this like next season.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, she did do the right thing,

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Like, like, like we gotta bring, yeah.

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Yeah, me too. Me too. Like, because like, just the fact when she said like, I just wanted to know that I'm okay. And like, I was raised really good and had parents who loved me. Yeah, I really hope we see that or you know, I hope we find out either way.

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Yeah. And then Heather says to her when she's saying that, she's like, my gosh, that's really nice. What kind of gift are you going to bring your mother? And Emily's like, do you see they're talking? And Heather's like, what? She's like, I'm just saying, you guys are getting along. I didn't really know that you were talking. I didn't know that you guys were. And I'm like, why are you doing that, Emily? Right.

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Yeah, you could have just let it play out. Because then Heather said something not nice at all and said, right, and said that Katie's not interesting. She just holds a mean grudge, Heather. Because if anybody sheds a light on her that makes her look anything less than perfect, like that's it, you're cut off.

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Well, that was interconfessional. Right. Right.

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I don't like that.

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No, I don't either. And then once again, Tamar says, what's going on with your lawsuit to Shannon? And Shannon said, why are we talking about this?

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Right, it's my birthday and I'm on vacation.

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Right, and Tamar said you just went on the Jeff Lewis show and talked about it for an hour.

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And we just talked about this. Like, that's not what, I mean, like, come on. Come on.

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Right. And you know what? Jeff Lewis is her good friend who supports her. So there you go, Tamra.

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Exactly. You know what else Jeff Lewis said? He said that right now Shannon is mad at him. Because when she went to Mexico and that host made that Instagram post about her, what's his name? Kim, Kim Butch. I don't know his name, whatever. Yeah. No, I didn't. means, interesting.

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cares. Nobody knows who he is. He apologized today. Did you see that? he issued an apology. Yeah, so who cares who he is?

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So when she was on that show, somebody had asked him, like, you know, have you talked to Shannon? And he had said, no, I hadn't talked to her. But in his mind, what he was thinking is because the guy said that he had like video footage and he didn't know if Shannon did this or not. But what he had said was, listen, I know that Shannon's been having a tough time and she's, you know, she's not in the best place.

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Mm-hmm.

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that if something like this did happen, he equated it to back when he was filming. he would say things on camera that he regretted and he had to apologize for. he just was... So what he was saying is, listen, I'm really reserved. I'm not gonna really speak about it, but if this is what happened, this may be why it happened. I don't know exactly. I haven't talked to her about it, but I do know myself. This is when I've been in a bad place and I've done these things.

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I actually heard this. I think I actually heard him say this.

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Right.

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And she was upset about that.

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Because she felt like he was like admitting that she's she's capable of that behavior.

Like as her friend, he should have just been like, absolutely not. She would never. Is that what she wanted him to do?

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I think that's what she wanted him to do. And listen, he's always stood by her. He's always been a good friend to her. he said he reached out to her. She didn't reach back out. He said he's gonna give her a little bit of time. The girl said that she was late, like after the reunion, the reunion was tough and she was getting ready to go someplace. And he said, well, I'll just give her a little bit of time. And he is gonna reach back out to her. And I'm sure they'll mend it because, and he even said like,

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I'm sure they will.

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I should have been on the reunion, because I could have cleared this up. And they both said, I wish you were, because this explains it better than what happened. So he was able to explain it. Shannon talked about it a little bit on Watch What Happens Live. And we saw what played out on the episode. So there's many sides to these things.

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Right.

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She's just really going through it right now. She's got a lot of shit coming at her for that Purdue. I hope that guy never works a day in production again. I really hope so because come on, how many people are out there making like billions, know, millions of dollars that are acting like that way worse than I'm sure anything Shannon did.

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Mm-hmm.

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and nobody's calling them out. For that guy to call her out publicly like that on social media, F you, you should never work in that industry again. You should be ashamed of yourself, especially because you issued an apology today. Like somebody wrote it. Like, was he just looking for his 15 minutes? I mean, listen, chances are she acted a certain kind of way.

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You know what though? Luanne came out and made a statement, because they asked Luanne about it. Luanne was there and she said, I did not see anything like that. She was getting along with everybody. She was having a good time. So Luanne said that she had no idea what this guy was talking about. Just like Shannon said, she had no idea what he was talking about. And I'll be honest with you, Shannon did make this point and a couple of people made this point. This is a Bravo show that Shannon's doing. Bravo isn't going to take difficult

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she was there.

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Okay, good.

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personalities to do other shows with. So she's obviously not a difficult personality. She's never been accused of this before. Even if she and she's we've seen her go through a lot. So why all of a sudden is she being accused of this? I mean, she's done many other things.

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That's true.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yeah, I never even thought of that point, but you're right. You're right. Yeah.

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Right?

So listen, I'm team Shannon. That's all I have to say. I'm team Shannon.

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Weird. Absolutely. I did think it was interesting though that she said that John sent her a promissory note though.

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Well, he did. I mean, she said he did. No, she said, she said she flipped out on him because she said, I'm not signing that. And he's the one who put it in the email. She never responded to it and she never signed it. And he dropped it. And it didn't come back up again until Alexis got involved, which is exactly what she was saying from the beginning. Exactly what she was saying from the beginning.

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But then he never brought it up to her again, right? She said, I'll watch what happens live.

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Right, right.

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So then what happens? Tamra. Lawsuit, I said that. Heather gives her thing. She feels like she's the one who's disseminating the information, which is baloney.

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Heather was totally making it about herself and it wasn't about her. And Tamara is exhausting and the most terrible friend. She's not anybody's friend. She's just a bad, bad person.

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No, no. And

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No, she's not. No, and then really what sets Shannon off is Tamara, you know, she jumps in and says, Shannon, you're not the effing victim. And that's when she gets up and storms out of the restaurant. She's like, and she's standing there waiting for the elevator and she's, know, Tamara's like, well, you were caught in a lie. And she wasn't caught in a lie.

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She wasn't caught in a lie. She was not caught in a lie.

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And Shannon, no, she wasn't, she really wasn't. And then Shannon turns around and starts yelling at Tamar, don't ever call me a victim again. I told you I'm working on myself and she is working on herself. I'm not a victim. And Tamar's sitting there laughing. I mean, that laughing was so disrespectful. And she's like, you're laughing at me now? And she's like, well, I was laughing because you're behind the bars. And every, even the other girls at the table were like, like, what are you doing?

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She's an asshole.

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You're like, laughing at her. And then Tamra says, I'm not going running after her again. you know, surely she's going towards the bar again. Just.

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I know when she first said it, I was like, what an asshole. But then they do, then you do hear Shannon go, can I have a diet Coke and Belvedere? And she wasn't driving. She wasn't driving anywhere for crying out loud, but how.

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She does go to the bar. She does go... Yeah, listen, she needed it. That's where I'd be going too. Right.

So I love that Gina went over. I love that Gina went over to her and you know, Shannon's trying to explain that when she talked to Heather, she was at her breaking point. She just needed a friend to talk to and you could see it when she was talking to Heather. You could see she was at her breaking point. We saw her break down at the spa with Gina and Emily. when she, like this is not, this isn't made up. This isn't a lie and Tamara wasn't there for any of that. So.

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Yup.

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Yeah, she was beside herself.

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Right.

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Just stop it. Just stop it.

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And then when she shows Gina the text with Alexis completely implicating herself, completely implicating herself to be part of that lawsuit. How she's so stupid, Alexis.

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Yep.

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Yes.

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She really is. She really is. I mean, good for her for having that text from 2018.

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Yep. Yep.

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Good for her for having that. And then the other kicker of it is, Shannon tells Gina when she found that text, she sent it to Tamar. So Tamar knew that she had that text and she's still writing for Alexis. What does that tell you? Like, what does that tell you?

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Yep, she's disgusting. Yep. She's terrible, terrible person, Tamara.

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She's not a good friend to anyone. She's there for herself. She's there for herself.

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Nope. And honestly, I think that's why Heather feeds into her bullshit because Heather knows if she gets on Tamra's bad side, Tamra's gonna come for her next. as, as you know, hoity toity and high blue and Heather tries to be, she, she can't, she can't even, she can't even go head to head with Emily. She's not gonna go head to head with Tamra. I think she's scared of Tamra, Heather.

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Well.

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Or, and I mean, maybe not scared, but unsure of what her future on the show would be. Not that she really needs the show though. If Tamara goes down and dirty, you know, something could come out about Heather that she doesn't want out. I mean, my God, she doesn't even want people to know when she calls the paparazzi on herself. Could you imagine if Tamara pulled out some real shit?

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She doesn't need the show.

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they talked about that too on Jeff Lewis. You got to listen to it. You got to listen to it.

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Yeah, I will. will. Because I like those two, Katie and Jen, and I'm so glad that they're close and they're friends. I think that's great.

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I am too. I am too. And then Gina tells Shannon, you're a strong, this was the best, you're a strong woman. You have bigger balls than even Travis. And I'm serious. I was like, Gina. And she laughed, Shannon laughed. that's, know, she needed a laugh and that's what Gina was there. Yeah, she needed that. I don't know. I mean, like I said, I like Heather.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Gina's good for comic relief. Yeah.

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I don't like when she associates herself and she allows Tamara to manipulate the situation because that is what's happening. And I do think that Heather is smarter than that.

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No.

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Right. Yeah, that's why there's got to be a reason she like...

plays along with it, goes along with it.

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You know, the interesting thing is when Jeff was talking to them, he was talking to Katie and he's like, you know, I, he was saying, I like you. think, you know, I think you're going to be a good housewife. He's like, you know what I like about you? Like you, I think you're smart and you're like, you're even keeled. Like you're not going to be the one like yelling and screaming and flipping out. He's like, I can see you. And Jen was saying like, Heather and Katie are actually more alike than they are different. Cause they're both very kind of proper and

Well, they're not, yes, conservative, reserved. Exactly. Whereas Tamara is just a loose cannon. Shannon wears her emotions on her sleeve and she just can't get past that. I mean, Emily is, when Emily is sober, Emily is, Emily's good. Like Emily's good, but sometimes she does get catty. She does get catty.

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Conservative. Reserved. Yeah.

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Yeah, she's a firecracker.

She sure does.

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Well, when she drinks, she can get messy when she drinks, for sure.

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When she can get messy.

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She can get messy. She can get messy.

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And God bless Gina, she's still not drinking. Right?

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Yeah, good for her. Yeah, good for her. Listen, she looks good. She looks good. She feels good. So, you know, it's working for her. It's working for her.

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I know, I know, I should try it.

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So that's all I have. know you would want to talk a little bit about your latest revelation on New Jersey.

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Yes, and I think that this is going to surprise some people. And let me preface this by saying I am still 100 % Team Gorga. 100 % Team Gorga. But I was watching, you know, prior episodes for probably the 150th time, because that's what I do. And I was watching from the beginning of season three when Melissa and Joe first came on the show. And, you know, it really

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Okay.

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The first episode I'm like, and I've never felt this way before, like Joe Gorgas started that fight at the Cresting. When Teresa came over, now I'm sure, and I think they've said this, so I don't think I'm making it up. She didn't allow them to film the first two seasons she was on. Like she would actually tell producers, don't put my sister-in-law on the show. And quite honestly, I believe that she would do that.

One scene Audrion is christening, they pan to Melissa and Kathy Wachile. I guess they were sitting together at a table.

But when Teresa walked over to the table to say hi to them at the christening, they, should have just said, thank you. Thank you for coming. That's all he had to say. But instead he went at her. And I understand it's because now they're on the show and now they're filming and now they have to allow her to film. And he didn't want her to film because she didn't let them film. Like I get it, but he did kind of start that fight. And then the whole season,

Melissa's saying she wants an apology from Teresa for starting the fight at the Christmas And I'm like I've never seen it like this before and again, I've watched it like 150 times the whole series and I never saw it that way and I This is my revelation now. So I think that this will surprise people because of how I normally Am about Teresa

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It certainly surprised me when you told me. I was like, no, we have to tell everyone this because...

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, listen, I don't think that this negates anything Theresa did after that. I think Theresa was 100 % responsible for the stripper gate. think she 100 % called Melissa a gold digger. All the things that came thereafter, I think Theresa's responsible for, and I think she's responsible for the demise of the relationship. I think she screwed up his relationship with his parents. May they rest in peace. You know, I do, but

That initial scene or season, I think that fight was Joe Gorgas' fault. And then Melissa asking for an apology I thought was out of line. Now what was I just gonna say? Damn it, it just went right out of my head.

Damn it. I know. Okay. So the reason that these reruns were on this week is because Teresa's on House of villains. Now I don't watch that show and I won't watch that show, but I did see on social media that Teresa cooked a whole meal for the people on the cast and they were all complaining that it wasn't good. I swear. And I had to watch it for myself because just because I just got myself into so much heat for talking about her cooking online.

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no.

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You're right, right.

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They pretty honestly, they pretty much just said it was salty. So that's really not saying her cooking is bad, but I just thought that it was hysterical that. Cause now she's saying she and Gia are going to open up an Italian restaurant, which God bless. I wish you nothing but the best, but that's what they said. It was too salty. So that's my revelation.

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No.

Hahaha!

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that's interesting.

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All right, and I also wanted to let our listeners know, they probably know by the time this hits, but on our last episode, I had mentioned about Whitney Rose's daughter being in ICU, well, she was released and she's home, she's home now, she's home now. So that's great news. And we will continue to pray for Bobby and Whitney Rose's family.

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thank God!

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Great news, holy cow.

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Absolutely. I'm really happy to hear that.

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Yeah, me too. Me too. Okay, well until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Bye.

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