Family Secrets and Shattered Friendships

Family Secrets and Shattered Friendships

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) Season 5, Episode 5,

Lisa and Bronwyn: Lisa reconnects with Bronwyn, who shares a deeply personal story about her daughter, Gwen, and her estranged relationship with Gwen’s biological father’s family. This triggers emotions in Lisa, who has her own connection to Gwen’s grandparents. Bronwyn feels conflicted about the family's desire to reconnect with Gwen after 18 years.

Whitney and the Jewelry Incident: Whitney is upset over Lisa’s involvement in a mystery regarding a box of jewelry left behind in Milwaukee. Whitney believes Lisa may have played a role in this, which has hurt her business.

Angie and Lisa’s Friendship Woes: Angie and Lisa's once-close relationship continues to deteriorate. Angie, in her confessional, suggests Lisa has had issues with everyone on the cast. This creates further division as Lisa feels criticized not just as a friend but as a mother, especially when her parenting is questioned.

Britani and Jared's Relationship Issues: Britani confronts Jared about their troubled relationship, notably his detachment in public and ongoing presence on dating apps. She’s frustrated with Lisa for meddling by reading her texts to Jared.

Group Adventures and Discussions: The women participate in activities like skiing, snowboarding, zip-lining, and even tailgating, where further confrontations emerge. Heather is caught between loyalty to Angie and Lisa, and Mary calls out Heather for being two-faced, particularly regarding body positivity and unresolved issues from the past.
Takeaways

• The title of the episode reflects the ongoing drama among the characters.
• Bronwyn's family history reveals deep emotional struggles.
• The impact of loss is a recurring theme in the episode.
• Lisa's connections in the entertainment industry influence the storyline.
• Whitney's business challenges add another layer to the drama.
• Mary's personal challenges are highlighted, showcasing her growth.
• The hosts appreciate the authenticity of the characters' experiences.
• Family dynamics play a crucial role in the unfolding drama.
• The episode contrasts typical reality TV antics with real emotional depth.
• The conversation emphasizes the importance of genuine connections in the show. Mary has rhythm but holds back in public.
• Angie is a committed mother and stands up for her daughter.
• Lisa's friendships are often shallow and conditional.
• Heather's insecurities stem from her past with Lisa.
• Parenting is a complex and often criticized journey.
• Reality TV often amplifies personal conflicts and misunderstandings.
• Friendship dynamics can shift dramatically in public settings.
• Public figures face intense scrutiny over their parenting choices.
• Investigations into allegations can complicate relationships.
• Meredith believes Whitney is innocent of the allegations. The editing of reality TV can significantly alter perceptions.
• Reality shows often manipulate narratives to create drama.
• Relationships depicted on reality TV can reflect real emotional struggles.
• The portrayal of characters can lead to p

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We Wine Whenever (00:00.79)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. I'm Callie. And I'm Laurie. We're talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 5, Episode 5. This title is Whitney Drew and Her Clues. I think it's kind of a lame title. start out back in Salt Lake City. Lisa walks into Henry's room and he's playing video games as all boys do, right? I totally agree. It's definitely...

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I'm Kelly. I totally agree. It's definitely what they do, but

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And I'm Lori.

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This title is for you and your students.

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as all children do, as all boys do.

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what they do, but what a dig after what Angie said. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. The next we see Meredith is with Ruth, her rabbi, and she is learning her prayers for her bat mitzvah. What I liked about this scene is it's the only one we saw Meredith in the whole episode. Is it really? It's it. That's it. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (00:31.381)
What a dig after what Angie said. Exactly.

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The producers are producing.

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What I like about this scene is that the only thing to to is that she's good it really? Yep. I was impressed for this whole- I didn't miss her either. I did not even realize and that's not good, Meredith. it's great for us because- Great for us. Then-

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It's the only one and I didn't miss her I didn't miss her. Yep. I did. I didn't miss her.

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That was the best part of this whole, right? Well, it's, good for us. Cause she drives me crazy. She drives me crazy. Then we see Bronwyn meets up with Lisa and they're talking about where they're, while they're getting, they're getting their legs massaged and Lisa and Bronwyn were in the airport in Milwaukee. This is very interesting to me.

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today.

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And this

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And this is one the three.

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this is crazy.

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Yes.

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This is very interesting. So Bronwyn made this funny face and Lisa said to her, look exactly like Gwen, her daughter. And she's like, no, no, she looks like her father. Everyone says she looks like her father. And then she pulls up a picture of her father on her phone and shows it to Lisa. And Lisa's like, I know him and I know his family. I know them. I know them really well. Which is craziness, craziness.

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She's a child.

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She's a no-

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Insane. Insane.

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And I

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Which is crazy. Crazy. And that's something like Life is Stranger than Fiction deal. That's not, you know. Unless, unless it was. production knew about this, connection with them. Maybe this is a whole, listen, this is not that far fetched. It could be.

We Wine Whenever (01:54.485)
fiction. Absolutely. You know, that was not produced. No, unless, unless it was. No. Unless production knew about this, this connection with them. Maybe this is a whole, it is, this is not that far fetched. You know, I didn't think about it until you just said that, but quite honestly, his name has had to have come up. She and Bronwyn have been friends the longest and they keep saying that they've been friends the longest.

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Absolutely.

Maybe.

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You know, I didn't think about it until you just said that, but quite honestly, his name has had to have come up. If she and Bronwyn have been friends the longest, and they keep saying that, they've been friends the longest, how has his name not come up? I agree. I didn't think about it, but I agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (02:24.639)
How has his name not come up? I'm just saying it really truly could go either way. agree. Brilliant. I didn't think about it, but I agree with you. that is so, because it was believable. was, it's very believable. But like I said, it could be that this, maybe that's wrong. One's whole pull into the gig producers matter. Lisa said, we have this connection.

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I'm just saying it literally could go either way brilliance brilliantly produced if that is so because It was it's very believable, but like I said it could be that this Maybe that's Bronwyn's whole pull into the gig producers matter Lisa said we have this connection

We Wine Whenever (02:37.011)
It was believable.

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Good.

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I knew about the family. This is a whole storyline. Right. I don't think so. You know why don't think so? I don't think so because I would really hope that Bronwyn would not do that to Gwen. Well, that's true. There's that. Okay. So she seems like a stand up kind of person. I would hope that she would not do that to her daughter to put her daughters in that position to have to deal with this for one and to film it.

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I knew about the family. is a whole storyline.

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Right.

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I don't think so. I just really...

that went. Well that's true. She seems like a stand-up kind of person.

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Well, that's, there's that, there is that, there is that.

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in that possession.

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for two. really thought and I hope I am right, but that would be some serious acting even on the daughter's part. Yeah. If this is something that was all read upon and changed. Yeah. I hope not. I hope not. I hope not too, but I will say now you girls have me thinking because Lisa is really the reason that this show exists because Lisa

We Wine Whenever (03:22.735)
So I really...

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But...

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But that would be some serious acting, even on the daughter's part. If this is something that was all agreed on and prearranged prior. Just a thought.

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Yeah, yeah, I hope not.

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that's fine.

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Now you're

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least.

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Lisa is-

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because we

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has this whole producer entertainment background that we haven't really seen on the show. In the very beginning, when she first started, we saw that she was doing the Sundance Film Festival. And that's the only thing we ever saw about it. We never saw anything else, but Kelly and I were talking about it, or maybe you were talking with us too, Lori, how she's the one who has these connections in the entertainment industry.

We Wine Whenever (03:55.457)
We haven't really seen a show. In the very beginning, when she first started, we saw that she was doing the stuff at some festival. that's the only thing we ever

going to to talk to him about it. Maybe you will talk about this before. How she's the one...

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She's the one who these.

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Yeah, I agree. I agree.

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that made Salt Lake City happen. And now we see that there's this new show coming out, which is Lisa's involved in. So if anybody was going to make something happen like this, it would be Lisa, but I really hope for her daughter's sake that that's not true. So then we hear a little bit about the story. So Bronwyn was 18 when she got pregnant and in college in BYU.

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Yes, a real estate one and it's her friend.

Yes.

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Yeah, I agree. So then we hear a

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She was in college. She was in second year.

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in college, she was a second year and they went to his parents house and his parents were not warm and fuzzy, they were blaming her for everything. I guess they're those parents that, not my kid, which is insane. For sure. Yeah.

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She was a second year and they went to his parents' and his parents were not warm and fuzzy. They were blaming her for everything. I guess they're those parents that, not my kid, which is insane. sure. Yeah, Ron once said that, you know, letting his parents know was not a pleasant conversation. Right. And, you know,

We Wine Whenever (04:54.362)
And his parents were not warm enough to be.

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Yeah. Yeah, Bronwyn said that, you know, letting his parents know was not a pleasant conversation.

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He was never involved in the child's life. So when she left after that happened, she knew at that point she's going to have to do this on her own. His parents would have preferred that she went and did a semester abroad and gave the child up for adoption and just pretend it like it didn't happen. Well, because that happened. And she went home to her mom and it wasn't easy. She went home to her parents, but eventually

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She left after that happened. knew it awful. She didn't have to do it on her own. His parents were worried if he went to the

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Yes.

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Yeah, she said that they actually said that.

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Well, because that's happened a lot.

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yeah, I'm sure.

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here.

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No, eventually. Her father was very, her father was very high up in the Mormon church. So he was not warm and fuzzy about it either.

We Wine Whenever (05:46.436)
You know, she was very, her father was very high up. Right. So he was not Mormon fuzzy about it Correct. And, but we did also find out that after she gave birth, Braunwyn's father did call Gwen's father and the family to let them know that she was born. So they had an opportunity and you know,

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Right. Yeah.

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And we did also talk about.

We Wine Whenever (06:02.366)
did call wet father and the family to let them know.

So they had an opportunity and they chose not to reach out.

We Wine Whenever (06:14.745)
They chose not to reach out. What I can't understand is why when their son passed away, when Gwen's father passed away, they did not at that point reach out. She was two years old because I have two nephews who have passed away and we both have children. Thank God they both have children because that's a blessing to our families. Right. That we have these these kids to love. Absolutely. After their fathers have passed.

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What I can't understand is why when their son passed away, when Gwen's father passed away, they did not at that point reach out. She was two years old.

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She was.

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because I have two nephews who have passed away and they both have children. Thank God they both have children. Cause that's a blessing to our families that we have these kids to love after their fathers have passed. So it blows me away that this guy's parents didn't at that point reach out and be like, listen, we fucked up, but now we lost our son and we really want her in our life. And I'm sure at that point Brahman would have been like,

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Absolutely.

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So it blows me away that this guy's parents didn't at that point reach out and be like, listen, we fucked up. But now we lost our son and we really want her in our life. And I'm sure at that point, Bronwyn would have been like, absolutely. It blows me away that they lost their son and didn't reach out at that point. Well, you know what? It's really, really sad because they have no idea what they missed. That is their grandchild.

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Yeah. Right. Come on.

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Absolutely. It blows me away that they lost their son and didn't reach out at that point.

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Yeah. It's crazy town.

Well, you know what? It's really, really sad because they have no idea what they missed. That is their grandchild. That is a piece of their son that they would have forever. I'm curious as to how he passed. They don't say.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

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That is a piece of their son that they would have forever. I'm curious as to how the past... I know they don't say. They don't say. They don't say, but maybe we will find out.

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Yeah.

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It is very sad and it's also very sad how Braunwyn found out about his passing. On Facebook. mean, really? I mean, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, know, this is what Housewives is all about. This is what it's all about. Not the catty bullshit, you know, lying and, you know, not this is.

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It is so.

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yeah, horrible.

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Yeah, on Facebook. Yeah, that's nuts.

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So either way the girl's bringing it. Yeah. Rom was bringing it. She bringing it.

We Wine Whenever (07:40.691)
Yeah. This is what Housewives is all about. This is what it's all about. Not the catty bullshit, you know, lying in and, you know, not all this is. She's a great pick. Bravo. Bravo. You've done good. Right. Yeah.

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Backstabbing, right. Yes, bravo, bravo. Well, hopefully, like we said.

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She's a great pick. Bravo, bravo. No, because this is real. This is real. I mean, even the fact that, know, Bronwyn's sitting there talking to Lisa and she's struggling with the whole concept of Lisa's perception of the grandparents because, you know, Lisa speaks so highly of them and what wonderful people they were and she

We Wine Whenever (08:11.937)
But this is perception of the grandparents because, know, Lisa's feet popped so highly of them that one whole piece of it was going to make a giant difference in her life.

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Right, trying to reconcile the two.

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Right to what her experience was and Lisa was there when he passed away and she was there with the family and You know, it does it really does blow me away Yeah, yeah, but I don't blame Brahman for being cautious to be on board with her daughter

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And least.

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there with it. And it does really well.

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It seemed like a sincere tear from Lisa, so either her acting skills are getting better. Yeah. Or it is a true thing. Right.

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improving. let's all hope that this is genuine, you know, but I don't blame Brahman for being cautious to be on board with her daughter meeting her grandparents, but you know, obviously you understand why her daughter would want to, but it doesn't seem like it was going very well. And I think Brahman was asked on Watch What Happens Live

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her grandparents, but, know, obviously you understand why her daughter would want to, but it doesn't seem like it was, it's, it doesn't seem like it was going very well. And I think Bronwyn was asked on watch what happens live and she basically said it's going to play out on the show. Yes. Yes. Yes. First of all, I don't know why Lisa would insert herself in that way. I think that she put her daughter.

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sure.

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And she basically said it's going to play out on the show. So she'd rather not comment. Right? Yeah.

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My thought of it is two things. First of all, I don't know why Lisa would assert herself in that way. I think that she put her daughter in a very uncomfortable situation.

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in a very uncomfortable situation. What do mean? Because if anyone was to decide to reach out to them and mend this thing, it shouldn't have been Lisa. once Lisa reached out to the family, what else? Like you've now started that real going. now, you know what I mean? Like you've kind of taken it out of Bronwyn's hands and put what I feel like you put when in a situation where

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What you

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Because if anyone was to decide to reach out to them and mend this thing, it shouldn't have been Lisa. Like once Lisa reached out to the family, else? Like now you've started that wheel going and now, you know what I mean? Like you've kind of taken it out of Ron's hands and put Gwen, I feel like you put Gwen in a situation where.

We Wine Whenever (09:51.713)
Yeah. You know I'm saying? I didn't get that impression. I got the impression that Bronwyn gave Lisa the okay. Yeah. I wish they would have said. Yes, I agree. Yes. They didn't make it clear, but I did get that impression that she gave her the okay to, you know, reach out. Yeah. And then I forget what the second thing is. It'll come to me. All right. And we're going to get back to this in a little bit.

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Yeah. Yes, I agree. Right. I did too. Yeah. It'll come to you.

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You know I'm saying?

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The okay, I wish they would have said because you really you really you know you really don't know

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you know, reach them. And then I forget what the second thing I was going to say was.

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She's a great mom, though, Bronwyn, for supporting her daughter, though, I think. And her daughter's a very brave young lady for speaking about it on camera.

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a very brave young lady for speaking about it on camera. Yeah, absolutely. And like I said, we're going to get back to her again a little bit towards the end. Then we see Brittany, Heather and Whitney, they go skiing and snowboarding. And Brittany sends a video to Heather after she got back from Milwaukee with all the flowers and the card that Jared had sent her.

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on camera.

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Yeah.

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then see.

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Thank you.

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I don't know what to make of this.

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Jared Osmond and

Listen, because he basically came out and said, I wasn't her boyfriend. I agreed to do this for the show. Right. I almost believe him. No, I do believe him. I believe him. do believe him. He looks even like a bigger douchebag by saying that, though. I don't think it helps his case. I don't think it helps his case. So then Brittany goes on to say how she's not really happy.

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Because he basically came out and said I wasn't her boyfriend. I agreed to do this for the show. I almost believe him. Do totally believe him. I mean, because he could just be saying that to save face because he looks like such a douchebag.

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So then.

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with Lisa. yeah, that was awful. Right. Crazy. mean, girl, you've been spelling your beans. Right. yacking it up. Like Mary said, I don't want to know about your shit. I'm loving Mary. Lisa saw who he was. Right. Right away. He's basically calling him out on it. And that's why he's. And you like how like when she meets him for lunch, I know we'll get to it, but when she meets him for lunch.

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Just crazy crazy crazy town girl you've been smelling your beans You've been yacking it up. We like Mary said I don't want to know about your shit I'm loving Mary

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yeah, that was awful.

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Lisa saw who he was is basically calling him out on it and that's why he's

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Right away god is number. Yep

And you like how like when she meets him for lunch, I know we'll get to it, but when she meets him for lunch, he totally manipulates the situation, make her think like she fucked it all up. When there was nothing there to fuck up because you're not in a relationship with her. It's just crazy town.

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He totally manipulates the situation to make her think like she fucked it all up. When there was nothing there to fuck up because you're not in a relationship. It's just crazy. is, it absolutely is crazy. It is crazy. And then we find out that Whitney gets a call from the manager at the hotel that they're staying at in Milwaukee.

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Right, right. is absolutely, it is crazy. And then we find out that.

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from.

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that somebody left behind a jewelry box with the prism jewelry and of course it's Lisa's room. Now I can understand that I can understand the hotel calling because I was online reading a bunch of different blogs and stuff and now it's getting twisted around to say that she threw it in the garbage. You see things get all built up and twisty windy but I can see why the

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Now, I can understand the hotel calling because I was online reading a of different blogs and stuff. Now it's getting twisted around to say that she threw it in the garbage. You see, things get all built up and twisty-winy. But I can see why the hotel would call because someone left a piece of jewelry in the room.

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Now.

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Right.

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hotel will call because someone left a piece of jewelry in their room. of course you call and say, know, a guest left. I mean, maybe she, what if she didn't mean to leave it? And then she called two days later and said, my gosh, I left my jewelry. And she knew she left it. You know what saying? Like the hotel is the vitals. Of course she called. Right. So when Whitney finds this out, of course she's furious.

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So of course you call and say, you know, a guest left. mean, maybe she, what if she didn't mean to leave it? And then she called two days later and said, my gosh, I left my job. And she knew she left. But I'm saying like the hotel's liable. So of course you, of course you call.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Right. when Whitney finds out about the whole issue of Syria and you know, finds out together that he's the one who told Meredith about the whole Ali-Khaled. Yeah, we didn't know that. We didn't. I don't think Meredith said that. No, or the fact that she was married.

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And you know, then she finds out from Heather that Lisa's the one who told Meredith about the whole Alibaba thing. didn't know know that. We, we thought, no, we thought that that came from Meredith. Right. But we find out that it actually came from Lisa.

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You know, then.

that link.

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Meredith said people keep tagging her in posts.

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Yes.

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So of course now Whitney has in her mind that Lisa's out to get her. She's spreading these Alibaba rumors. She left, you know, the jewelry back there and she thinks it's personal. And Heather's like, no, it's not personal. that's, Whitney says, listen, this is my business. You know, I feel like this was planted. I feel like she's attacking me.

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She's spreading.

you know, the jewelry back there and she thinks it's personal. And no, it's not personal. It's personal.

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You know, the jewelry factory and this is personal. And Heather's...

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Whitney says.

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That goes aside for a little bit. We're gonna get back to it. Then we see Mary downstairs at her house calling for her son Robert Jr. When I saw his name over his bedroom door, I literally almost fell off the couch.

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That goes back to way back when I was the house, one person while I was here. When I say the same.

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That was a

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Everybody says online has been saying the same thing like and there's only one kid man like where you going? Is this how can find his room at night? Like, Judy is wasted. Come on. And it's horrible. I felt so bad for Mary. As you could tell, like that was very, it was very brave of her to be able to film that and put that out there.

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I appreciate it.

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Is he five years old? Right. was high. He was. Yeah. It was bad.

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Is he five-year-old? He looked a little... He was high. He was high.

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That was very, it was that.

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I'm sure that's the time she was trying to figure it out that he had a problem. Now he's in rehab, thank God, and pray for him that he will recover and everything. that's hard. That's hard.

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because I'm sure that that's the time that she was trying to... She was struggling. he had a problem. Right. Now he's in rehab, thank God.

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard. No, it's hard. I can't even imagine filming a show. Sometimes it's hard to do the podcast when we know something's going on with our kids. Yeah. So filming a show? No. No. No. Because we very easily choose to not do it one night and be like, listen, I got too much going on. can't.

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That's hard. That's hard. No, it was hard. But I even imagine filming a show. sometimes it's hard to do the podcast when we know something's going on with our kids. Imagine having cameras in their face and their name.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Right. But the name, I'm sorry, but the name over the bedroom door. I wonder if her bedroom door says Mary Cosby. And Robert Senior says Robert Senior, because you know they're not sleeping in the same bedroom.

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It was horrible.

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Maybe it says Maryam. Right, right. Just so everybody knows where they're going at the end of the night.

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Yeah.

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Senior, yeah.

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Let's follow our signs. And she tells him she's going off to a dance class. He asked for some money and she's trying to tell him that, you know, he needs to use the money for good to feed his soul and his body with good nutrients. And, you know, that's really falling on deaf ears because he's going to go lay back down.

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Yeah.

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And she tells me to sew an off the seam.

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And you know that's...

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and you know.

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Yeah.

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Then Angie pulls up to Mary's house in her Ferrari and picks up Mary and Mary smells onions. Mary and her super smeller.

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my god, as soon as she gets in the car, your car smells like I do. Yes, fucking sense of smell. I'm so jealous because I haven't had a sense of smell in years. I burned bacon. Well, first it was when my nephew was in hospital. I got really sick and I lost it then. I got it back a little bit. Then I got COVID. Haven't had it since COVID. But I burned bacon.

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Thank

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I'm so jealous because I haven't had a sense of smell in years. I burned bacon. Well, first it was when my nephew was in the hospital. I got really sick and I lost it then. I got it back a little bit. Then I got COVID. Haven't had it since COVID. But I burned bacon. For some reason I put bacon in the oven one morning. I don't know what I was thinking. I know. I think I was just trying something new I saw on Pinterest. I forgot about it.

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of COVID.

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and then that was it.

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For some reason I put bacon in the oven one morning. I don't know what I was thinking. I know, I think I was just trying something new I saw on Pinterest. I forgot about it. Eric comes up from the basement. He's like, what are you doing? You don't smell that? I was right in the next room. I'm like, I swear I don't smell that. It was burned bacon. awful.

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Yeah, you can do it now, can't you?

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Eric comes up in the basement. He's like, what are you doing? You don't smell that? I was right in the next room. I'm like, I swear I don't smell that. It was burned bacon. How awful. boy. I'm very jealous of Mary's sense of smell. I will tell you, I also have a super smeller. do. My nose is my thing. Like I can smell anything anywhere, but I don't know that I'd be yelling it out. Like if I get in your car and I smell onions. Your friend is Greek.

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boy.

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I'm very jealous of Mary's sense of smell.

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Thank you.

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This is... This is the thing. Your friend is Greek. What do you think? What do think she's gonna smell like?

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Right. do think she's going to smell like? Eric tells me I smell like garlic all the time. I'm sure you do. It's just my natural scent. Right. Yeah. It's just coming through my pores. Well, if you eat it, I'm not saying. I do. I it all the time. Right. Right. You're going to smell like it.

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Eric tells me I smell like garlic all the time. It's just my natural scent. It's just coming through my pores. I do, I eat it all the time. You're right, you're right.

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I'm sure you do!

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eat a lot I'm not saying Greek people eat a lot of onions. So it was funny though. Mary's bringing it too.

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love Mary this season. And now knowing what she was going through with her son, it makes it even more impressive. Yes. Yeah. So they're going to a dance class and they show up at this dance class and lo and behold, Heather's daughter is there. I didn't realize who they were talking about. What's her name? Georgia?

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So good this season. And now knowing what she was going through with her son, it makes it even more, yes.

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Mary's bringing it.

A blaster. Impressive. Yes.

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and let's slow.

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Imagine that, Mr. Mrs. Producers.

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yeah. I didn't realize who they were talking about. What's her name? Georgia? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize who they were talking about until later in the episode when Heather said, you saw my Georgia. I was like, that was.

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Yes. Yeah, I didn't realize who they were talking about until later in the episode when Heather said, you saw my Georgia. Yeah.

So.

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They're doing the dance class. I will admit that Mary was horrible. I don't think Mary is horrible. I think Mary's got a lot of rhythm. I think it was a little much, a little much for Miss.

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I don't think Mary is horrible. I think Mary's got a lot of rhythm. I think it was a little much, a little much for Miss.

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church mouse Mary. I think she let it go a little more at the gay club. Yeah. But she does, you can tell she has rhythm. I just don't think she was going to like bust out because she was, you know, she was a little too like a little too good for it. you can tell she's got rhythm. Yeah. I mean, I thought Angie was doing pretty good. Yeah, I thought Angie was doing pretty good. So then after the dance class, Angie and Mary are talking about what

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Church mouse Mary. I think she let it go a little more at the gay club. But she does, you can tell she has rhythm. I just don't think she was gonna like bust it out. Because she was, you know, she was a little too like, a little too good for it. you can tell she's got rhythm.

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church mount.

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Yeah.

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thrust.

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Yeah, yeah, and you did well. Yeah.

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yeah, Angie's great. Angie's got rhythm.

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you

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you know, what happened with Lisa and Angie said she's, she's a committed mother, which we know Angie's a committed mother because she was upset about what Lisa said about her daughter, Electra. Like that should have never been mentioned. And she said, listen, Lisa has a problem with everyone. And she names every single cast member that's been on the show past and present. Yep. And she's right. She was right.

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Yeah.

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you

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and

She said...

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She did and they like X them out as they were going

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And she needs.

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And they like texted me. Yeah. And she right. She was right. She had.

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She has had a problem with every single cast member that's been on the show, past and present. And I felt bad for her because she said her and Lisa used to be like sisters. They would talk multiple times a day. I think that's what Lisa obviously wanted at the time. Lisa's probably one of those really shallow, fair weather friends.

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And I was, I felt that, because I was, was, I was, I was, I was, was, was, I was, was, was, was, was, I was, was, was,

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And I was in my hotel bed. He says, Marlee said, you're like, maybe you

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I mean,

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Lisa is gonna be friends with Angie when it was good for Lisa. Yes, I agree with But the second that Angie fell out of any kind of line. Then Lisa's dropping her. Then Lisa, you you're mentioning that Angie's changed the parameters of your relationship. I'm sure Lisa changed them way before Angie changed them. Right. Angie changed them in response to Lisa. Right, I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.

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Yes, I agree with that.

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Yeah.

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You know, Lisa, you know, you're bitching that Angie changed the parameters of your relationship. I'm sure Lisa changed them way before Angie changed them. Angie changed them in response to Lisa.

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Right.

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Right. agree with that.

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Yeah.

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Then we see Heather and Lisa meet up and they go to the salt caves, which is what we are going to do. Yeah. It's good for you.

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Yeah, I'm just saying, listen, the Mormons got a thing with the salt caves. Yeah, do. You know, the Mormon wives were on there. Yeah. Now these chicks are on there.

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Your ass.

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Yeah, they do. They do.

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It's good.

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I it was a little odd that they both asked for tea. I told you I've been to these salt places. You're not really drinking tea in a salt cave. And the woman said after she brought them tea, like, don't spill it because it'll melt the salt. I don't know. That was a little odd to me. Lisa says, you know, I feel like the Harley museum things, that's when everything changed with her. what did I just say?

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I told you I think you're not really

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You can't all melt the salt!

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It'll melt the salt.

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Yeah.

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Lisa X says, I feel like I'm really missing the experience. That's why I'm getting changed.

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Lisa says, I don't like people like.

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when Lisa and Heather were in the salt cave, she said that's when it changed for her and Yes, yes, for her and Angie, exactly. Heather's really feeding into this now. she, you know what, she just fell off such desperate, I wanna be popular in high school. It all goes back, and it all goes back to season one, remember? They went to school together and Lisa was like the popular girl and Heather wasn't, and Heather still feels insecure about that. That's my personal opinion.

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when Lisa and Heather were in the stall cave, she said that's when it changed for her and Angie. Heather's really feeding into this though.

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when you said... Yeah. Yeah. No, way before that. she... You know what? She gives off such desperate, I-want-to-be-popular-in-high-school friends with Lisa Parlo.

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It all goes back to season one, remember? They went to school together and Lisa was like the popular girl and Heather wasn't and Heather still feels insecure about that. That's my personal opinion.

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I'm sure she was and Heather wasn't.

That is what we're looking for.

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No, I 100 % agree with you because I feel like Heather is so desperate in this situation and she keeps, she's the one who keeps pushing this narrative that that they are changing the parameters of the relationship. Like, who says that? Who says that?

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And she is the one forcing this narrative that they

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Right. Right. Right.

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And she goes on to say, I don't like the way that she's treating you. Wait, what? Angie didn't do anything wrong.

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And there's so much on his plate, like, I don't need to say that he's treating you. Wait, what? He isn't doing well. Right.

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And here.

and I'm treating you sweetly.

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So Lisa says, Heather and Angie say that Lisa lets her kids sit in the room and play video games. Okay. Did she say that about Lisa's son? she say her Heather said Angie said. Angie said it. Let's her son play. But when, but when you watch the show, did Angie say Lisa?

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So Lisa said, Heather said that people had to take things from that play to go through it. Did she feel that about the play? Heather said Angie said Lisa let someone play.

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So Lisa said, Heather, did have questions? Wait, wait, She said that about Lisa's son. Did she say her son?

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But when you watch the show, did Angie say Lisa?

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Did Angie say?

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I'm sure she did, but they didn't show us that part.

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I'm sure she didn't show it that way. Right.

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I'm sure she did it, it showed fast. so she said, I'm not the kind of mom who lets my kid play video games all day. And you said that. Right, but you didn't say, Lisa. But I could say that. okay.

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the kind of mom who lets my kid play video games. And she said that she didn't say Lisa, but I think she did to Heather. then that's right. Right. And then we see her son playing video games. Right. Right. Right. And Lisa said, you know, wow, like she's questioning my parenting. But wait, you questioned her parenting first. Yeah, the whole

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Angie said that. Right, right, right, right. And I think it was inferred.

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That's what I mean. Yeah, for sure. The producers did that, yeah.

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Which the producers do. Right, the producers are doing it.

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Okay, no question.

Yeah, the whole parenting thing, like it goes back to, what's the other show? wait, no, maybe I'll think of it's all like, yeah, they just, they gotta stop doing that. No, they're filming how they're coming at Mia. Like just stop it because we're all doing the best we can and nobody knows what the fuck they're doing. And if you think you know what the fuck you're doing, your kids are doing shit that you don't know about.

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Yeah, duh.

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parenting thing like it goes back to what's the other show wait no maybe i'm thinking of salt lake yeah they just they gotta stop doing that yes it's number no potomac yeah potomac yes on potomac stop it because we're all doing the best we can yes and and nobody knows what the fuck they're doing and if you think you know what the fuck you're doing you don't your kids are doing shit that you don't know about right you don't know exactly

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Yes, it's so good. Right. You don't. Right. You don't know that. Right. if no one's, you know, right, if you're no one's neglecting their child, then

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So stop. Everybody stop.

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Right, if no one's, you know, just pray your kids come home every night. If you're, no one's neglecting their child, Then, abusing them, right. Then stay the fuck out of it because I'm glad that you do such a good job. You keep doing it and I'm going to do the best that I can over here. Exactly. And whatever it is it is. Right. then we see Lisa and her, in her confessional crying. I mean, come on. Like that was acting like I've never seen before.

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Just pray your kids come home every night.

That's right. That's right. We're abusing them.

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Right, and stay the fuck out of it because I'm glad that you do such a good job. You keep doing it and I'm going to do the best that I can over here and whatever it is, is.

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Exactly. Right. Everybody shut up.

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Was it over the parenting comment though?

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Yeah, I'm criticized all the time as a public figure. Well, maybe she is though. Maybe people online are commenting and saying shit. And to have someone who knows me criticize you for how you are as a mom. Well, she was saying too. I don't blame her though. Since her son is going through all this shit in Colombia. like I said on our last podcast, maybe he's just had bad fucking diarrhea for a couple weeks.

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I or maybe she is probably.

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Well, maybe she is though maybe people online are commenting and saying shit

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Well, she was saying too, since her son is going through all this shit in Colombia being sick. But like I said on our last podcast, maybe he's just had bad fucking diarrhea for a couple of weeks because that's what happens when you eat food in Colombia.

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I don't blame her though.

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Columbia.

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Maybe.

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That's what happens when you eat food. Yeah. When you go somewhere you're not used to. Well, he did come home. He did come home for a while. And yeah, no, he did. He did wind up coming home for a while because I saw her, either heard it on a podcast or I saw her talk about it, but she did say that he did come home for a while and he was getting tested like every week and he's, they didn't come up with anything and he's fine. Right. And he's, he's back there. He's back there.

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Yeah, when you go somewhere you're not used to it.

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I need

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Right. It probably got like some kind of parasite or some shit. Right. Either or. But I, but I, in a very small way, I do see what she's saying that, you know, it's very difficult for her because he's, it's your kid and he's sick and he's in a foreign country. So that is somewhat understandable. Right.

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And he's not. Right. I think it's anxiety. think everything's anxiety.

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But in a very small way, I do see what she's saying. It's very difficult for her because he's, it's your kid and he's sick and he's in a foreign country. So that is somewhat understandable. are probably nasty online. Look at what people are saying to us. yeah. Imagine. But listen, she's not a public, if you're calling yourself a public, yeah, but if you're

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It's your kids. Yeah. People are probably nasty online.

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yeah, we got some nasties.

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She's a public figure. What do you mean?

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Well, in the Bravo sphere only.

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But if you're calling yourself a public figure, then Angie is a public figure too. And you were the one who criticized Angie and used Angie's daughter's name. So don't throw it out there and then sit there and cry in your confessional about it. Right. Like you started this. She just responded. You started it. And by the way, if you come for us, I don't really care. I seriously don't care.

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Sure That's true. Yeah, and then she's doing it to you, right? right

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Night.

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Right.

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This is true. Yeah. Right.

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Some of my co-hosts care a little bit more than I do because listen, we are here for entertainment purposes only. It's just our dumb ass opinion. If you don't agree with us, that's fine. If you don't like my hair color or the way I do my makeup or the way I sip my wine, I don't care. Get over your bad self. We are from New Jersey. We are from New Jersey. And our motto is we wine whenever and we hope you do too. So.

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Because look, we are here and just want to have a show on the way. It's just art, you know. It's art. It's It's way to start.

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because we are.

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And I don't care. Get over yourself. We are leaders. And our military, we want

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Right? Right. We are from New Jersey. We don't care.

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Right. So, yeah, if you got a problem, maybe have a glass.

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Right. Who cares? The next... Next we see Whitney's is in the car with her husband and they're dropping off Bobby for soccer practice. And Whitney says, I can't believe we bought a house that every window faces the church, which I do think is kind of funny because she spent all this time like leaving the church and mourning her loss of the church. And like she said, now she's living in a house where...

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That was a rant. I like that. I like it.

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Next?

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And she says, I can't believe the quarter house that every single person in the church. I think it's kind of funny. That is funny. Because she said it was funny.

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And just because I

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because she said it was my...

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And then, you know, it sounded like it was a good financial move because those houses are worth more money. Right. So good for them. Yeah, good for them.

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Right. It increases the property value 100%. So after they drop off Bobby, all of a sudden she gets a call from Adam, who happens to be up in Adam, our podcast friend. Yes. You didn't know that? didn't know. I knew his name was Adam, but I didn't put it together that it was up in Adam. It was up in Adam. I love him. You know,

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So we're.

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That's that was? I didn't know. I knew his name was Adam, but I didn't put it together that it was up and Adam. I do like him. Yeah. that's awesome.

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That's it was. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. I like him too.

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You know, and Adam used to work at Sir. Adam, from Up and Adam. No, he, yeah, he used to work But he lives in South Carolina now, right? Because I think he's friends with a lot of the Southern Charm people. He very well may. I don't know where he lives right now.

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Really? But he lives in South Carolina now, right? Because I think he's friends with a lot of the Southern Charm people.

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I don't know where we

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His birthday party was in South Carolina, or Charleston, I remember that.

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I do know that he used to work at Sir because he knows all the... Yes, he used to work at Sir. So I actually saw his Up and Atom TikTok before I saw the show and he started talking about him being on the show and I was like, I got to stop watching this. I need to see the show first. So I'm very confused. I'll be quite honest with you because what happened on the show and what... Did you see his TikTok?

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Interesting. I like him.

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Mm-hmm.

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I watched the whole, I watched this whole two episodes. I watched his recap of Salt Lake and then I watched him explaining specifically about this. Up and Adam was at BravoCon and he met some of the girls from Salt Lake and he said it was just like this weird, uncomfortable kind of.

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his recap of Salt Lake and then I watched him explaining specifically about this. Okay, so you take this Laura, take this, take it. Okay, Up and Adam was at Bravo Con and he met some of the girls from Salt Lake and he said it was just like this weird uncomfortable kind of thing. Maybe they were, some of them were like a little snarky or something. But did they know who he was? I don't know, but Whitney.

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Yeah, take it, Laura.

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was and he

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Maybe they were, some of them were like a little snarky or something, but Whitney, I don't know. But Whitney was very nice to him. So they became friends. He says he's friends with a lot of housewives. He speaks to Meredith all the time. He said about her, she never spills anything, but they're friends. So he talks to, he's actually going to Dorinda's for the Brookshaw, the Stone Manor for the Halloween party.

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Did they know who he was?

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was very nice to me. So they became friends. He says he's friends with a lot of the housewives. He speaks to Meredith all the time. He said about her, she never spills anything, but they're friends. So he talks to, and he's actually going to Dorinda's for the- Blue stone manor. Blue manor for the Halloween party. Nice. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. So, him and Whitney are in contact with each other.

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blues don't matter. Okay. Nice. Okay.

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Blah, Okay. So him and Whitney are in contact with each other. Whitney calls him and says, look, I need you to find out some stuff for me. He says, okay. So what you hear in that phone call is him calling her. And now mind you, all this stuff didn't get filmed until right before the finale.

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Give me what you are.

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Whitney calls him and says, look, I need you to find out some stuff for me. He says, okay. So what you hear in that phone call is him calling her. And now mind you, all this stuff didn't get filmed until right before the finale. But they put it in now. that's interesting. Adam is sitting with his husband at home.

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I need.

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So.

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but they put it in now. Adam is sitting with his husband at home watching Salt Lake City, just like all of us. And all of sudden this phone call comes on and he's on. Now, he did sign up for the Bravo to do this. He knew he was being recorded. He knew that he was gonna be on the show. He didn't know when and he didn't know the context of what it was gonna be.

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Wow, that's interesting.

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watching Salt Lake City just like all of us and all of sudden this phone call comes on and he's on. Now, he did sign, you know, he did sign up with Bravo to do this. He knew he was being recorded. He knew that he was going to be on the show. He didn't know when and he didn't know the context of what it was going to be. I just want to let everybody know that Lori just twisted her hair and put it in a bun flawlessly while she was talking.

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and all the smoke and he's on. Yeah.

Right.

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Got it. I just want to let everybody know that Lori just twisted her hair and put it in a bun flawlessly while she was talking. I could never do that in my life. And I went to cosmetology school. No clip, no hair tie, no nothing. She twisted it, she put it in a bun, and she tied it all up into a pretty knot.

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I never do that in my life. And I went to cosmetology school. And there was no, there was no pins, nothing, nothing. no nothing. She put it in a bun and she tied it all up into a pretty knot. And there you go. Maybe we'll put a tutorial of that up later. Seriously, because. So, they have a conversation. I'm going to explain the conversation and then we'll put it in.

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because I'm having a hot flash.

No, it stays like that.

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There you go. know I'm feeling a little less hot. Yes, we could do this tutorial. Right, for real. So they have a conversation. I'm going to explain the conversation and then we'll put it into context of what the phone call is. So they have a conversation. The first thing she wants to know is her and Monica have kind of been in contact. She would like to pursue a relationship with Monica. Yes. But.

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Like for real.

All right, proceed.

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Got it.

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So they have a conversation. The first thing she wants to know is her and Monica have kind of been in contact. She would like to pursue a relationship with Monica. Garcia? Yes. But she had this account. It was called Claire.

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Garcia

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She had this account, it was called Claire. She didn't have it. She knew about this account called Claire and that account was coming after Bobby. Saying things about Bobby. So, So Whitney wanted to find out about this account. She wanted to find out whether Monica had anything to do with it because if Monica had anything to do with she's the who needs to do it.

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She didn't have it. She knew about this. There was this account called Claire and that account was coming after Bobby. Saying things about Bobby. that's fucked up. So Whitney wanted to find out about this account. She wanted to find out whether Monica had anything to do with it because if Monica had anything to do with it, she's wanting to do it. So that was the first thing she asked. Second thing is this woman, Dana Wilkie.

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She didn't have.

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Well that's fucked up.

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Any questions?

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So that was the first thing she asked me to do. Second thing is this woman, Dana Wilkie, has a Patreon and she was the one who put the info out about Prism, about the jewelry and the Alibaba thing. Dana Wilkie.

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So.

Second place is...

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God, Dana has a Patreon and she was the one who put the info out about Prism, about the jewelry. But the Alibaba. Look, Laurie, let me just interrupt you for a second. So Dana Wilkie, you don't know this, but Kelly and I do. Dana Wilkie was on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills for one season, one season, friend of.

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and then was it worth

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she did.

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Look, Lori, that's a good one. Dana Wilk- You don't know this, but, Helly and I do. Dana Wilk- One season. One season. One season. Friend of. Friend of. He was the most interesting friend of ever. I'm not just talking about money. 25k. 25,000. Can you believe-

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my goodness.

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She was the most annoying friend of ever. She would show up. Do you like my glasses? They were, I don't even know. $25,000. These glasses are $25,000. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So that's who Dana Wilkie is. So she had the Patreon and Adam's husband.

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You like to

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Can you believe? You'll hear that.

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boy. So that's who she is. Okay. So she had the Patreon and Adam's husband heard her Patreon. Now this is where it gets confusing because there were two different things. Adam tells a story that his husband was listening to the Patreon and or asked him

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So she.

and Adam's husband heard her

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heard her Patreon. Now this is where it gets confusing because there was two different things. Adam tells a story that his husband was listening to the Patreon and or asked him, do you know anything about this Patreon with Whitney Rose's jewelry that this Dana Wilkie is putting out? And Adam said no. So then he tells him, now he says, but I don't know how he knew it was coming out.

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Adam's was listening.

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Do you know anything about this Patreon with Whitney Rose's jewelry that this Dana Wilkie is putting out? And Adam said, no. So then he tells him, now he says, but I don't know how he knew it was coming out on Patreon. Is there a, I don't do Patreon. Is there like a thing that tells you what's coming out? Cause it doesn't sound like it was out already. It sounded like an upcoming.

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You know what it is that you're supposed put pre-on with what you guys are doing. That Dana will just put it on. Like, So then, somehow it's working.

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Patreon is there a I Don't do patreon is there like a thing that tells you what's coming out because it doesn't sound like it was out already. It's probably Like an upcoming like a teaser like it so like so juicy scoop with Heather McDonald podcast and then she'll say if you want to hear more about this go to my Patreon because you pay for patreon I got it right so they might have teased it in a podcast and then

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Is there a... I don't do... coming out? Well, it's probably, like a teaser. So, so Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald, she'll do a podcast and then she'll say, if you want to hear more about this, go to my Patreon. Because you pay for Patreon. Right. So they might have teased it in podcast and then...

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I get to know, okay, so maybe that was it. Okay.

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go to my because you can't hear me. I got it. So they might just say that I'm hearing you.

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to hear the full story, you had to pay for it on Patreon. Okay. So then the second thing Whitney called him about was, can you call, she wanted him to contact this Dana Wilkie and find out who was her source. Okay. So he says, he spoke to Whitney, Whitney said, cause he says he contacted Whitney and said, I'm going to let you know that this, I want to let you know that this is coming out. Like you did me solve it at Bravo.

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to hear the full story, you had to pay for it on Patreon.

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Okay. So then the second thing Whitney called him about was, you call, she wanted him to contact this Dana Wilkie and find out who was her source. So he says, he spoke to Whitney. Whitney said, cause he says he contacted Whitney and said, I'm going let you know that this, I want to let you know that this is coming out. Like you did me solve the depravocon. So.

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Okay.

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So he says, Whitney says that it's not true. Then he's talking to Meredith and she says, you'd have to be a moron to think that the public wouldn't find out about it. There's no way that Whitney did that. I mean, there's no way that's what Meredith is saying. That Whitney is not using Alibaba products and selling it at a higher rate on Prism.

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He says, Whitney says that it's not true. Then he's talking to Meredith and she says you would have to be more honest if the public wouldn't find out about it. There's no way that Whitney did that. I mean, there's no way that's what Meredith is saying.

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Thanks.

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He says we have to

Yeah,

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I there's no way that's not. That Whitney is not using Alibaba products and selling it at a higher rate on Prism. Meredith said that. To Adam from Up and Out. Right, but not Whitney. Okay.

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Yes. Right. Mayor. That makes no sense for anybody to do and think that they could get away with that.

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Merideth is saying that. To Adam from up in Adam. Right, that that makes no sense for anybody to do and think that they could get away with that. But wait a second, I have a question. I'm a little bit confused. So you're saying that Adam let Whitney know before it came out for Merideth that this was coming out?

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Right.

So you're seeing.

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You're saying that Adam let you know it came out.

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No, or it can't

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i believe so. i believe that's what he said. i could be wrong, cuz it's very twisted.

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Okay. I mean, that could be, no, that could be because what was very confusing to me was when he was talking to her on the show, what we saw on, on the actual show, he led us to believe that it was Lisa, but that is not what happened. Cause that's what he said on the Tik TOK that is it is not Lisa. said, Whitney wanted it to be Lisa, but it's not Lisa, but that's not what

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I think he...

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He was talking

We saw.

He let us believe that it was the pizza. But that is not what happened. That's what he said on the pick-up. That is not what happened. He said, Whitney, wanted it.

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He

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Bravo led us to believe. So what happened was there was two conversations going on at the same time that all this stuff that he was talking about and these things got filmed. So they're filmed, they're with Bravo. Bravo's gonna do with them what they want. So what you're hearing in that conversation is him calling Whitney and telling her, discussing about that Claire website.

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So what happened was there was two conversations going on at the same time that all this stuff that he was talking about and these things got filmed. So they're filmed, they're with Bravo. Bravo's going to do with them what they want. So what you're hearing in that conversation is him calling Whitney and telling her, discussing about that Claire website.

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So there are there are photos, and we're just going do what we want.

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in that.

when calling Whitney and-

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That that was from Lisa? He didn't say it was from He said it was someone who has a liquor brand. Right. But he on his podcast, he said there's other people who have liquor brands. No, someone on the cast that has a liquor brand. She said someone in my friend group. That's what they always say. Somebody in my friend group. In your friend group. So it's not necessarily the cast. But Adam said. That was about the Claire. That was about the Claire.

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He didn't say it was from Lisa.

Right. But he on his podcast, he said there's other people who have liquor brands.

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She said someone in my friend group. That's what they always say somebody in my friend group

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Right. But Adam said there's somebody else.

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in their friend group, so it's not necessarily the cast. But Adam said that was about the Claire. And when he approached the thing about the Claire, the source that he had wouldn't give up the source. But they kind of, you he said, you're working with people that are in this sphere, you can kind of find out who it's not by asking certain questions.

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When he approached the thing about the Claire, the source that he had, wouldn't give up the source. Right. But they kind of, you he said when you're working with people that are in this sphere, you could kind of find out who it's not by asking certain questions. What? I've got to be honest with you. Why are they letting podcasters and bloggers get involved with this Housewives stuff? I don't know.

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He was the first to think.

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gotta be honest with you. Why are they letting podcasters and bloggers get involved with this housewife stuff? It's getting a little too much. Like, listen, we obviously are podcasters and we talk about Bravo stuff. We give our opinions, but we're not talking to any Bravo people and getting inside stuff. Like to me, that's so messed up.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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It's getting a little too much. Like, listen, we obviously are podcasters and we talk about Bravo stuff. We give our opinions, but we're not talking to any Bravo people and getting inside stuff. Like to me, that's so messed up. Well, listen, I mean, no one's calling us. But maybe we, no, it's not. No.

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now.

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Yeah, but that's what I mean. And that's fine, because that's not why we do, like, that's not what we want. We don't want that.

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you

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No, we don't, but I'm just saying if someone called us, we may just listen. Just saying, we may just listen. Adam reached out to this Dana Wilkie. She says, it's not Lisa. So up and Adam says, it's not Lisa. Right. I didn't think it was Lisa, quite honestly. But wait a second. I thought the whole thing was about who put out the posts that the Instagram posts, not that there was a podcast. was a...

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Right. So Adam reached out to this Dana Wilkie. She says, it's not Lisa. So up and Adam says, it's not Lisa.

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So, you know, I don't know.

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I didn't think it was Lisa, quite honestly.

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Right!

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Who put out the Instagram post that was tagging Meredith in it? That's what the Bravo led us to believe. That was not the case. It wasn't that. Yeah. So that's F'd up. I'm going to tell you right now, that is F'd up.

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Right. Right.

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Right, that, they know, they don't know.

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So was it this Claire? It wasn't this Claire?

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No, Well, he kind of feels it's very f'd up too. And he was like, look, and he said he really has his lawyers reviewing what it is that he signed.

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Well, you've done fucked up, Adam, because look at what Bravo's doing to all these other people. I don't think so. don't think think too many people. Well...

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So you done fucked up Adam because you know, he's I don't think I don't think Adam did. I don't think Adam did. He didn't do anything wrong. Well, he said he's got the proof of everything of how it went down. He said, they'd be really stupid not to play it out the correct way. I'm just saying the way he's being. I had no idea it was Adam from Up and Atom. But now he's being portrayed as saying something because producers manipulated what he was saying.

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But they, but you he said he was shocked.

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Right, and he said he's got the proof of everything of how went down. said, they'd be really stupid not to play it out the correct way of how it really happened.

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I'm just saying the way he's being but I had no idea it was Adam from Up and Atom But now he's betrayed as saying something because producers manipulated what he was saying and Unfortunately, he signed off for that You when you sign those

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Absolutely. Yes.

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Yes. So, unfortunately, he signed off for that. No, I don't know that he did sign off for that. When you sign. No, but like Laurie said, he's got his lawyers looking at what he signed off on because he signed off to be on the show. He didn't sign off to be misrepresented. And if that's well, Jeff Lewis didn't go on because they wouldn't indemnify him. Right. wouldn't protect him. Well, there's a difference. That's different than lying.

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Right. See it, that's what he's saying. He doesn't.

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but this is why Jeff Lewis didn't go on.

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They fooling.

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Right, they wouldn't protect them.

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But it's very, right.

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and misrepresenting. It's very clever editing. Like he said, they put the confessional in the middle of the conversation to change what your thought of that conversation would be. And like he said, he did say this, it happened at the end of the season and we're getting it in episode five. So that's F'd up. It's all manipulation. These shows are all manipulation.

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So it's very clever editing. Like he said, they put the confessional in the middle of the conversation to change what your thought of that conversation would be.

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to change the way you And like, you're right, it happens at the end of this movie. We're be like, I'm gonna cry. So that's, that's tough one.

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Yeah, so let me just see what else I have here. This makes me mad. It makes me so mad because it's not how it started, people. This is not how Howe's Wife started. It's taken a real dark turn. I mean, honestly. He found it in February, February up until now, he said. So he said the conversation was right before the finale. And he said production is setting this up to be the villain. Yeah, but this is what gets me crazy.

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Yeah, so let me just see what else I have here.

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This makes me so mad because it's not how it started, people. This is not how How's Life started. It's taken a real dark turn.

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Yes, and he filmed it in February February up until now he said so He said the conversation was right before the finale and he said production and said and Lisa up to be the villain

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First of all, that they named this episode after Whitney, right? When we all agreed the best part of this episode was the whole Braunwyn and her daughter situation. Like that was the best part of this episode. Like this is insanity. I am, I am so disappointed in Bravo.

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when we all, the best part of this episode. Bramwyn, Bramwyn and her daughter, for sure. And we haven't even gotten to the Jared and Brittany lunch yet. I mean, that was a great thing too. Right, like the Danny was here. I am so disappointed. Well, they're, listen, they're painting Lisa as the villain. And it's so, it's just hysterical because Lisa will do it all on her own.

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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It's just hysterical because Lisa will do it all on her own. 100%. I mean, I'm not a Lisa fan. I like Lisa. No, and I'm not a Lisa fan. no, this is insanity. This aggravates me. This really aggravates me.

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And I like Lisa!

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I'm not, I'm not a Lisa fan.

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This is where we are with Housewives, Wendy. This is where we are. I'm telling you, Bravo's a sinking ship. Which is why we're getting into the whole, we're gonna do the Menendez Brothers, we're getting into some other shit, people.

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I know, but I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm telling you, Bravo's a sinking ship. Well, that is, which is why we're getting into the whole other stuff. Men does brother. We're getting into some other shit people. Yeah. But when I started getting into this up and out of stuff, was like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. We'll see how that plays out, but let's get to the jet. Wait, was that all you had?

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Well that... that holds-

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yeah, just a mess. Yeah, but when I started getting into this up and out and stuff, was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Yeah. Well, we'll see how that plays out, but let's get to the, wait, was that all you had?

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Believe so.

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Let's get to the Jaren and Brittany lunch because this guy, I mean, we've all dated one of these guys, haven't we? I know. I know. I have not. mean, no. the top of my head, think about three that I dated that were at a time that I ever did, I knew I was playing dead. Well, and let me rephrase that. thought I was dating three guys like Jarens, but as far as they were concerned, we were not dating.

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Let's get to the Jaren and Brittany lunch because this guy, I mean, we've all dated one of these guys, haven't we?

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yeah, I've dated a player before. But anytime that I ever did, I knew I was playing played. And that was okay, because I was playing ham.

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I mean, off the top of my head, I can think of about three that I've dated that were Jared's.

Well, let me rephrase that. I thought I was dating three guys like Jared, but as far as they were concerned, we were not dating. We were just good friends. No, no, no benefits. I mean, maybe kissing, but that's it. That was the biggest benefit you're going to get. Cause I didn't, you know, I didn't just give it up. Like, you know.

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No benefits. No, no. I'm sorry, but I didn't. I didn't just give it up. you know. Listen, you're a CCD teacher. You're not giving that shit up.

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Like, yeah.

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I'm not giving that shit up.

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For sure. Alright, go ahead, tell us about it. This guy... He definitely looks like an Osmond. And how about Britney coming in hot with the boobs? it's like... That shirt she had on, she was like busting... busting out of the shirt. Yeah. But... Alright. I do think that... letting Lisa read his text messages was a little much.

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for sure. This guy, he definitely looks like an Osmond.

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this.

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And how about Britney coming in hot with the boobs? I was like, bro, what are you, are you, that shirt she had on, she was like busting, busting out of the shirt.

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Sure.

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Yeah, but all right. I do think that letting Lisa read his text messages was a little much. Yeah, don't co-sign that.

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I do think...

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Yeah, that was not a smart move. Yeah, I don't co-sign that. But I don't think that she has enough. I read something about her that I have to see if it's true that she has, charges out against her husband. She filed some charges against him. Well, that he was,

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Yeah, that was not a smart move. But I don't think that she has enough. I've read something about her that I have to see if it's true. That she has charges out against her husband. She filed some charges against him. That he was...

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Britney?

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Well.

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Like he would tell her what to wear. He was controlling. He was extremely exasperating. But what charges are those? Domestic... Corpse crew. I mean, corkscrew. Well listen, so I don't think she should have showed Lisa the text messages between she and... I just want to keep calling them Donnie. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, Jared. Jared. But the FaceTime...

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Like he would tell her what to wear. was extremely controlling. Yes. come on.

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We are present.

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I

Well, listen, so I don't I don't think she should have showed Lisa the text messages between she and and I just want to keep calling him Donnie I'm not gonna lie, but I know I understand But the FaceTime Didn't who said it they were like we were all in that FaceTime to him. Yeah

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It's gone now. I'm not gonna use it.

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didn't, who said it? They were like, we were all on that FaceTime to him. Lisa said it. Yeah. So he said, listen, I get a FaceTime call from your number and I'm expecting it be you and it's Lisa Barlow. And I find out that she's been reading all of my private text messages. It's crazy. She says to him, you don't make me feel safe. And the look on his face was like, whoa. He says like, what do you mean?

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mean, I actually also do that. That's crazy. It's crazy. She said, you know, you the whole thing, and you look back at the page, like, wow. He said, well, please, and then he-

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That's crazy. It's crazy.

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This is

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And then in her confessional, she doesn't say to him, in her confessional, she says, like, you don't go out in public with me. I hold, he's like, I hold your hand. She's like, but yeah, then when you see a cute girl, you drop my hand. And he won't get off dating apps. He won't get off dating apps and he doesn't post her on social media. That's bullshit. Right. He says, well, I'm giving you everything that I can. She said, okay, well, then that's what my answer is. If this is all you can give me, then this isn't what I want.

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Like, you don't have to do it. He's like, I don't have that. She's like, you have to And he won't get off. won't get off. off. He's not going get That's bullshit. He said, if you don't get off, then that's what happens. Right.

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and he won't get off dating apps.

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That's bullshit.

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Right, right, right

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He said, all right, then we'll put a pin in it. Because obviously he's uncomfortable with the conversation. She's calling him out and he doesn't have an answer because he said, I'm giving you all that I can give and this is it. Lisa's calling him out. Like didn't you have like a douchebag boyfriend that your best friend was like, he's no good. And then the boyfriend hates your best friend because your boyfriend knows that the best friend knows that he's a DB. You know what I mean?

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And Lisa's calling him out, like didn't you have like a douchebag boyfriend that your best friend was like, he's no good. And then the boyfriend hates your best friend because your boyfriend knows that the best friend knows that he's a DB. You know what I mean?

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But I think... Yes.

Yeah, but I think that she doesn't have the emotional capacity to even think like that. I think that she probably was abused by her ex-husband and I think that she's not... I don't even think she has it in her to even think like that.

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But I think that she doesn't have the emotional capacity to even think like that. I think that she probably was abused by her ex-husband. And I think that she's not... I don't even think she has it in her to think like that. think that she's so into the Mormon...

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I think that she's so into the Mormon way that she's going to do whatever she's got to do to make a relationship work because that's what they tell you to do. But honestly, that their relationship is like a high school relationship or like early 20s, like, like, my God.

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Well, that's what I'm saying. she's gonna do whatever she's gotta do to make a relationship work because that's what they tell you to do. Right, and I think she from a very immature their relationship is like a high school relationship or like early 20s. Absolutely. Like, my God. But I don't, what I'm saying to you is I think that she's, that's just the relationships that she's been in. Right. Her relationships have been manipulative. The whole So she just thinks that this is, she doesn't see.

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That's what I'm saying. Whatever.

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Right, and I think she comes from a very immature place.

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Absolutely. But I don't, what I'm saying to you is I think that she's, that's just the relationship that she's been in. Her relationship has been manipulative. So she's just thinks that this is, she doesn't see what everybody else sees, is what I'm trying to say. That's how I think of her.

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Right.

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the whole like forever.

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what everybody else sees is what I'm trying to say. That's how I... And now she's on camera for everyone to see.

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Right, right. And now she's on camera for everyone to see.

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Up and Adam said and I want to ask you guys about this that she reminds him of Season 3 Julie Cooper on the OC Julie Cooper. Don't know who's Julie Cooper. Julie Cooper is the one that goes on juicy scoop by Heather McDonald, isn't she? I mean He said season 3 of the OC Julie Cooper

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Up and Adam said and I want to ask you guys about this that she reminds him of Season 3 Julie Cooper on the Oaks Day

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Wait, what? Julie Cooper's the one that goes on Juicy Scoop rather than McDonald, isn't she? Wait, what did she, what did he say?

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he said season 3 of the OC, Julie Cooper. I don't watch it, that's why I'm asking you people. I didn't even know.

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That's why I'm asking you, Ava. I don't even know. I don't know. But what I will say is that I think that Brittany is very immature, but I don't know that I would say that she was abused by her ex-husband because I don't know that we know that and I don't want to make those kinds of accusations. Cooper was on the drama series, The O.C.

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I don't remember it from those days.

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Think different.

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Yeah.

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Julie Cooper was on the drama series, The O.C. Remember that show? It was like a 90210. You'd know her if you star.

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Well, everything is alleged.

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Remember that show, it was like a 90210? You know her if you saw her. I just heard her say, and I was like, she was Look it. Yeah. So she was on Entourage. yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I just want to I just want to put that out there. I just think Brittany is emotionally immature. I don't think we know what happened.

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Okay.

Yeah. She was an entourage. She was the stepmother. was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yes, that's what I'm saying emotionally immature.

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I don't think we know what happened with her ex-husband. I think that there may be stuff that we have no idea that happened because she doesn't talk to her children or her children don't talk to her. So there's gotta be something going on there. I don't want to speculate what it is. I don't want to talk about children. I don't want to talk about children and I don't want to judge a parent. But I'm just saying that her emotionally is, she's stunted. I think she's emotionally stunted.

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you know.

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doesn't.

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Yeah.

I don't want to speculate what he No, no, because again, we don't want to judge anybody's parenting. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I'm just sitting there, her emotionally exhausted. I what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. She's emotionally exhausted. That she doesn't even have trauma.

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just saying.

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I think she's emotionally stunted and normally that does come from some kind of trauma. But we don't know where that trauma came from. right. But I mean, doesn't she have a friend in the world that says, girl, don't be playing this shit out on TV. What are you doing? Yeah. I mean, Lisa, personally, think Lisa's being a good friend to her by being like, he's a jerk. He's a this, he's that. But yeah, you're right. Like, is it somebody who is not affiliated with the show?

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Yeah. And normally that does come from some kind of trauma. Right, right.

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But I mean, doesn't she have a friend in the world that says, don't be playing this shit out on TV. What are you doing?

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Yeah, mean, Lisa, personally, think Lisa's being a good friend to her by being like, he's, you know, he's jerk, he's a, you know, this, he's that, but yeah, you're right. Like, isn't somebody who's not affiliated with the show being like you?

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Right. I'm just saying who, who, right, who let her, yeah, who let her go on there and be like...

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But wait, is Brittany Lisa's friend? Or Brittany's Heather's friend? Right. that's what I'm wondering, is Brittany really Heather's friend? Because I don't see where Heather's being a friend to Brittany at all. I don't see that.

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Sydney's Heather's friend, but Lisa's the one who's been, you know, having her back with this whole relationship thing.

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Probably not. Right. Somebody put on social media, why does this woman look like all of the Dallas, Real Housewives of Dallas, all of them put together in one person. And I was like, she kind of did, because she kind of looks like Brandi, but then she kind of looks like the one who left after they said her husband was, you know, gang of cowboy bars, which I don't believe that either. The plastic surgeon, yeah.

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into one person.

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And I was like, she kind of looks like Brandy, but then she kind of looks like the one who left after they said her husband was, you know, gay in the cowboy bars, which I don't believe I The plastic surgeon. Yeah. The interesting thing is what I saw on social media was they had all these before and afters of Britney. I don't see that. my God. You have to look at that because it's craziness. Like the before and afters.

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I'd love to see that.

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she had a lot of surgery.

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yeah. I don't want to say it because I don't want people coming for me. Yeah. All right, we're gonna move on. Next we see Bronwyn's daughter Gwen. She walks in the kitchen and she says that, you know, Bronwyn lets us know that she's been away. She went to her mother's, to Bronwyn's mother's house in San, her mom and dad's house in San Francisco because when she got back from Milwaukee she told her what was going on and she wanted to give her daughter Gwen some time to process it, which I 100 %

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I don't want to say it because I don't want people coming for me. please don't come for me.

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I'm going have to look at it. I'm going have to look at it.

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And.

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she wants

Mm-hmm.

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support and I think it was so mature and it was the right thing to do. And listen, that's not easy. You know, we're moms. We know that's not easy to let our kids go and figure the shit out themselves, but you know what she did and good for her because that's what needed to happen, right? We all know that that's what needed to happen.

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It's a great idea. Yeah, give her some time alone to process.

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Right.

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No.

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So then we see that Bronwyn met

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So then that one with.

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So that's what you see that Ron, Matt.

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They received, Bruno met with Lisa and they received the text from Gwen's grandmother and it said, we'd really love to meet with Gwen, but only if she's in a place in her life or she's ready to accept us. And Gwen, that really put Gwen off and I don't blame her. Well, here's what I I think that they want to meet her, but I don't think they want to have to explain themselves for not wanting to meet her.

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Well, here's what I think. I think that they want to meet her, but I don't think they want to have to explain themselves for not wanting to meet her before this.

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Well, I think it could take it two different ways.

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before this. absolutely. I don't want I don't think they want to discuss the past. They don't they don't want. Well, really, this is what I think. I think I think that they just don't want to look bad on national television. Well, yeah. Well, who does? Well, who does? And especially if you're Mormon, because you don't even answer you don't answer to especially what with the with the mom talk chicks out. yeah. Yes. Yes. We already got a little bit.

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absolutely, and I think that-

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I don't want I don't think they want to discuss the past like

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They don't want to, well really this is what I think. I think that they just don't want to look bad on national television. Because they're looking pretty bad as it is.

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Well, yeah, that too. That too. That's good. And especially for women. Right. Because you don't need to them. Well, especially... Especially what? With the mom talk chicks out there at swinging parties. They're like, all right, we already got a little bit of a bad look. You know, even though people love the show. You know.

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Yeah.

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with the

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Yeah, yeah.

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look yeah you know even though people love the show you know and then Gwen says listen I feel like they had almost 18 years to reach out and they woke up every day and chose not to and they don't want to have to explain that no and listen really what they really should have done if they really wanted to have any kind of relationship with Gwen is they should have reached out to Bronwyn

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Yeah.

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And

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18 and they will And they don't want to have to explain that

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eight years.

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this true?

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Really, what they really should have done, if they really wanted to have any kind of relationship with Gwen, is they should have reached out to Bronwyn, straighten their shit out with her, apologize to her, owe her an apology, establish some kind of relationship with her, feel it out, and then...

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really, they really should.

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it should.

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straighten their shit out with her, apologize to her. They owe her an apology. Establish some kind of relationship with her, feel it out, and then. Yeah, I agree. 100%. They definitely need to apologize to Bronwyn. I think that they should have approached her first.

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They her an apology.

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Yeah, agree

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That's how I felt about that.

But I think that they should have approached her first and not Gwen.

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know, Bronwyn says to her, she knows that she really wants to know something about her dad. And, you know, Gwen understands that the only way that she can really know anything about her dad is to have a relationship with her grandparents since her mother doesn't know anything. She doesn't, because she hasn't, she wasn't in his life. She doesn't know anything. I mean, my God, the poor man only lived two years after they had their baby. Right. Right.

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Right.

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And so, that is the only way we can really take it out of that is to have a little bit of a grandchild since her mother doesn't have a grandchild. She doesn't. She wasn't even alive. Right. I mean, my God, the poor man only lived two years after they had their baby. You know, she had a baby. And her profession is that she's only one in this area that didn't get the boys and she's the only one in this area that's

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since her mother died. She does. She does. She was.

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Yeah. And she's not just professional. She is the only one in scenario that we can enjoy. And she's the only one in scenario that we can all appreciate. Of everyone. Of everyone, yeah. Made for many struggles. True. Yeah. That's why it is so.

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And in Bronwyn's confessional, she said, Gwen is the only one in this scenario that didn't make any choices. And she's the only one in this scenario that feels the weight of all the choices of everyone else made for her. And it's so true. That is what is so compelling about this story. That is what we watch Real Housewives for. This is what we watch it for. And this is what

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

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It should be titled. It should not be titled about the bullshit about Up and Adam and Ali Baba. And I love Whitney, but this should not be about Whitney's whatever the heck we called it. This is the story.

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Yeah, bullshit. No, no, no. everything that went on with her and her daughter is our things that anybody who is a mom can totally relate to. They are relatable things. Where oftentimes when I'm watching these housewives shows, because this is not my stratosphere, there's not a lot that I can relate to. So I think that's...

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are things that anybody who is a mom can totally relate to. They are relatable things. Yes. when I'm watching these housewife shows, because it's not my stratosphere, there's not a lot that I can relate to. Right. So I think that, at least for me, coming from somebody who's not an established previous fan, is it was nice to have something

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is one thing that.

totally great. You are awesome.

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At least for me, coming from somebody who's not an established previous fan, is it was nice to have something real. even to me, Mary is much more real for me this season.

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Something real. real. just can't, like I said earlier. me, is much more real for Totally agree. Totally agree. Totally agree. Knowing what she's going through with her son. But I just can't, again, I can't imagine knowing that your son who passed away has a child out there and you're not in their life. mean, you know, we see, you know.

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I just can't like I said earlier Totally agree totally agree totally agree knowing what she's going through with her son

But I just can't, again, I can't imagine knowing that your son who passed away has a child out there and you're not in their life. I mean, you know, we see, you know, we see one more than the other, but that's only because one of my nephew's children have moved out of state with their mom or family. But my goodness gracious, like,

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Crazy.

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We see one more than the other, but that's only because one of my nephew's children have moved out of state with their mom, their family. But my goodness gracious, like if when she's here, we see her, like we see them. I can't imagine, let's put it this way. I can't imagine not knowing what's going on in their lives. So even if you don't see them as often as you'd like, just being in contact and communication.

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If when she's here we see them, can't imagine. Let's put it this way. can't imagine.

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in a minute. Let's put it this way.

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Absolutely, Yeah.

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So even if you don't see them as often as we'd like, just being in contact and communication, it's extension of the person's law.

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It's an extension of the person you lost. 100%. Well, you know what? It's a really sad thing because I think it's you're letting organized religion get in the way of love. I mean, listen. And the bottom line of everything should be love. It should be family. Also like an old school thing. you know, I don't want to get into it, but you know.

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Well, you know what, it's a really sad thing because I think you're letting organized religion get in the way of love. And the bottom line of everything should be love.

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increasing.

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I mean, listen, it's also like an old school thing. you know, I don't want to get into it, but, know, somebody in my family got pregnant before her marriage years ago and their parents did not rematch at all at all. they weren't more, you know, it just was that time too. Like it,

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Somebody in my family got pregnant before marriage years ago and their parents did not react well at all. Like they weren't more, you know. It just was that time too. it's more acceptable now. Yes it is. You are right. When you think about when... opposed to 30 years ago. 20 years ago. Or 18 because she's 18. It's an excuse but you're right.

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Right.

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It's more acceptable now as opposed to 30 years ago or 20 years ago. Right. or 18 years ago. Yeah.

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Yes, it is. You are right. When you think about when this was, not that it's an excuse.

Right. Not that it's an excuse, but you're right. We're tending to think about it as now kind of a thing when you have to think about it as then.

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you know, we're turning to think about it as now kind of a thing when you have to about I that was my father's worst fear.

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It's.

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I mean, that was my father's worst fear.

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So it's sad. really is sad. It's, it's sad that this is not what we're seeing more of because this is what we want to see. It is called, it is called real housewives. And that's what we want. We want real. That's what we want. And you know, Gwen understands that the only way she can really know anything about her dad is to have a relationship with her grandparents since her mother doesn't know anything about him. And

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So.

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Yeah.

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what we're seeing for. Right. It is true. It's housing. Yes.

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Right. This is totally because it is relatable. Right. Right.

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Right. Right. And I hope, my hope for her is that, and she sounds like a very mature girl, that she can

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And you know, I think the best thing, I think, my daughter, don't know, they're not going to, I think it's going to allow you to get to know her so that she can get to know her father and father. And I think the best

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You know, I think eventually, I think in my heart, because we don't know, we're going to find out, I think she's going to allow them to get to know her so that she can get to know who her father really was. And I hope, my hope for her is that she sounds like a very mature girl, that she can take from whatever it is they're willing to give.

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take from whatever it is they're willing to give and let that be enough and use it to her advantage for herself and not be so concerned of whether they're accepting of her.

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and let that be enough and use it to her advantage for herself and not be so concerned of whether they're accepting of her. And maybe like go into it with the mindset like we don't maybe we don't have to have this conversation now. Like maybe we get comfortable with each other and you know learn about each other and then maybe down the road we're comfortable enough to have that conversation about why you acted the way you.

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Use it.

herself.

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And maybe like go into it with the mindset like, don't, maybe we don't have to have this conversation now. Like maybe we get comfortable with each other and, you know, learn about each other. And then maybe down the road, we're comfortable enough to have that conversation about why you acted the way you acted. Like don't, maybe don't put that on the, and listen, I'm not trying to defend them for their reaction to everything, but give them some time.

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Right.

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Like don't, maybe don't put that on them. And listen, I'm not trying to defend them for their reaction to But give them some time. What you're saying is also on them. They're the ones. They're the adults. They're the adults. They should be the ones that say, look, I know we really need to talk about what happened and how it all went down. And I really want to have that conversation with you, but can we just.

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Right.

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Right, but what you're saying is something, but what you're saying is also on them. They're the ones that are more, they're the adults and they should be the ones that say, look, I know we really need to talk about what happened and how it all went down and we really want to have that conversation with you, but can we just blah, blah, blah. You know I'm saying?

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Sure.

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Yeah, let's just get to know each other. You know what saying? Right. And I'm, I'm, I'm really curious to see how this plays out. I really am. We're almost out of an hour. We better pick it up. All right. So then we see Heather, Mary and Lisa and Brittany, Heather, Mary, Lisa and Brittany go zip lining. I mean, they took, they took that four wheeler up to the top and they're all covered in mud. And Mary says, why did I wear white?

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Yeah, let's just get to know each other first.

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We're almost at an hour. We better pick it up.

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This is interesting, absolutely.

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It was good.

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That driver must have been deaf by the time he got to the top. Squawking.

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I'm all covered in mud, but at least I don't have it on my teeth like Heather.

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But okay, so what was with Heather just leaving it on her face? Because that was on purpose. was there some meaning behind that? That messy? Like, what was it?

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I know! Wait... Who knows? Who knows what Heather... But I like when Mary was like, I go zip lining every chance I get on cruises, here, there... Yeah, yeah, yeah, good for her.

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I love too that after they're done ziplining Heather pulls out the tables and chairs from the back of her car and the charcuterie and the wine and then the producers asked Mary how many times

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That was great. The zipline queen, right?

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And Mary's face is like, wait, what, we're eating right here?

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Like you're taking food out of the trunk and we're eating it? I'm just thinking it's like a black barbecue.

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How many times have you been tailgating? She's like, what, is that? Like she, Mary doesn't know what tailgating is. Right. That was so funny. So Heather gives Brittany the unicorn. see, I told you the unicorn was from there. yes. my God. And so, okay.

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What is that?

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Like when we're outside and we're eating ribs. So funny.

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Okay.

Yeah.

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see? i told you the unicorn was from there! yes!

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God, these producers, like...

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Yes, I got them confused because it's the same production company. You're right. Heather gives Brittany the unicorn. And she's easy. You're doing the same shit on both shows. Right, right. And she says she's strong like a unicorn after her breakup with Jared. And Mary thinks it's an ashtray. It's so funny. So

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Yep. There you go, messing with us. Yep.

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yeah, yeah. they're slacking, man. you're lazy. you're doing the same shit on both shows, ched media.

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And then, says, is it a mask, right? It's great. It's so funny.

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Mary, is it? actually,

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And then Brittany starts her conversation with Lisa, basically blaming Lisa. Right, right. Which, come on girl.

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he starts her conversation with Lisa basically blaming Lisa. Right, Mary's laughing at that situation. was great. Yeah, I mean.

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And Mary's laughing at that situation was great.

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Yeah, I mean.

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You know Lisa says listen, we called him out on his bad behavior. You were laughing about it. You were okay with it, right? And now what all of a sudden like now all of a sudden it's a problem

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You know.

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Right. Right. Right.

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Great.

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and how about then they start questioning Mary about the dance, the dancing. She was very gangster about that in the beginning. She wasn't saying shit. Yep. He was not. She was very tight-lipped. Yeah.

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then they start questioning Mary about the dance. she was very gangster about that in the beginning. She wasn't saying shit. That was hysterical. Yeah, that was literally because she didn't want to say she was with Angie.

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Yeah, she's dodging it. Yeah, she was dodging. I liked it.

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And I love how Mary just like gave it to her about the black eye and then the body image thing. That's a big rabbit hole, that whole thing, because you can kind of see both sides of that coin.

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just like gave it to her about the black eye. Yeah. And then the body image thing. Yeah. Which is a very, it's, that's a big rabbit hole, that whole thing. Cause you can kind of see, you can kind of see both sides of that coin. Like, well I Heather's right. I think that, you know, people want to see skinny fit people. Well, people are nicer. It's just,

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Well, I think Heather's right. think that, you know, people want to see skinny fit people.

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Well, people are nicer. It's just proven fact. People are nicer to people who are thinner. But I mean, you know, it's, but it's also a thing where if you decide to champion being a big girl and then you decide not to be a big girl anymore. But what I thought was interesting is Mary went at her for that.

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proven fact. For sure. are nicer. 100%. People who are thinner. Yeah. But I mean, you know, it, but it's also a thing where if you decide to champion being a big girl and then you decide not to be a big girl anymore. Exactly. But what I thought was interesting is Mary went at her for that. But I don't remember

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For sure, 100%.

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Exactly.

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But I don't remember Heather having to champion herself as a big girl until Mary gave her that hard time about wearing that Boosier, saying that she had to fit in the plus size. So that's...

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But I don't.

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Heather having to champion herself as a big girl until Mary gave her that hard time about wearing that bustier. Saying that she didn't think that that Gucci made it in her size. I'm sure Heather always had insecurities about her size, it wasn't really, light wasn't shown on it until Mary made that comment on Watcher of Harkness Live. So then, I think then kind of Heather.

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Yes.

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No, you're right. Because I'm sure Heather always had insecurities about her size, but it wasn't really, light wasn't shown on it until Perry made that comment on Watch What Happens Live. Yeah.

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Right. then I think then kind of Heather.

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Yep, you could start at Ozempic basically, cause she's admitted to Well, she admitted to doing Ozempic. what I loved about what Mary did is she said to her, listen, if you had a problem with Angie, why don't you contact Angie? She said this to Lisa and she's like, didn't, and Lisa's like, like why, Mary said to Heather, like, why do you keep championing Lisa? Like Angie's been your friend since high school.

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You know, you could say that she had it. Yeah, Yeah.

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Yep. Started Ozepik basically, because she's admit to it. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

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It's one inch contact.

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She said something to Lee. Right. And I'm just like, why do

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And she said, why did you? Like why? said, did you champion? Champion. Angie's here. Right. And honestly, yeah. She's like, well, I can't get Angie.

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Like why? Mary said Carter was like championing the game. She did call her out. It was great.

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And it's true, Angie has been- you call her out? Yes, yes. And she's like, listen, and honestly, Heather stumbled. Yeah, don't be. She's like, well, wait, well, I I champion Angie too, but I Lisa's right in this situation. And she's not right in this situation. I loved- does not champion Angie. No, she doesn't. And I'd love that Mary called her out on it, you know? And then she says, listen, and then she also called her too. Mary said-

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And she's not hard to... No, she's not. And Heather does not champion Angie.

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and she's not right.

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And then she says, I mean she knows a lot of things. And Mary says, listen, I think I know two things about you. It is two-faced. Yep, yep. And had a, I don't think she is. I was with everything that she did in her career. No, she wouldn't. matter. I feel like she's been a trail of lies. Like the black eye and the champion of the body part. That's a lot of truth. And Mary says, I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm not.

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And then she says, and she looks at me and she says, listen.

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Listen, I think it's kind of two-faced of you. It is two-faced. And Heather says, I don't think it is. I would say everything I just said to Angie. Mary said, my thing with you, Heather, I feel like you leave a trail of lies, like the black eye, then the champion of the body positivity. That's a lie too. Mary says to Heather, I'm not trying to hurt you. Heather says, I know, I know, but we need to figure this out or.

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We need to figure this out or we're in an impulse. Yep. And she's right. I think that's what I'm saying. So she needs to that. I this was probably true. Poor people have money. Rich people have no Yeah. Very true. That was pretty true. Very true. Yeah, so that's what we're-

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We're in an impasse. And she's right. I, someone put on a social media post and I thought this was probably true. Poor people have body positivity. Rich people have those impasses. Very true. That was pretty true. Yeah, so that whole thing is, that's kind of like a double edged sword because

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And I, someone put on a social media post and I thought this was probably true. Poor people have body positivity. Rich people have Ozepic.

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That was pretty true. Yeah, so that whole thing is, that's kind of like a double edged sword because...

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you know, like, we, cause then all the big girls that you were championing yourself for and being, now what? Now,

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you know, like when you present all the big girls that you were championing yourself for and being, now what? you know what I mean? it's, but how about the best thing is when Braun would said, how about we stop commenting on women's bodies? Yeah. Right. Or their looks or anything like that. And then in Mary's confessional, she says, listen, I've noticed that Heather's in the middle of everything.

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you know,

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Yep. Now what?

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You know what I mean? it's, but how about the best thing is when Braum had said, how about we start commenting on women's bodies? Yeah, right. How about that?

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Yeah, exactly. their looks or anything like that.

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Right.

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and that she stands there and she hides her hands. And that's what she does. Because right now, Heather is the one that is stirring the pot between Whitney, between Meredith, between Lisa, between Angie. She really is. And it just, doesn't need to be that way. And I like that Mary called her out.

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between America, between Lyssa, between Angela.

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She's the bone carrier. She's not talking about anything in her own life.

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No, she's not. All right, so I have one thing say. Please. This Tamra. On OC? On actual OC. Okay. It's hard saying this stuff about she's on the spectrum. So I heard something about this here. So this up and at'em. There we go again. Well done. He called Kelly Dodd.

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Yeah. All right, so I have one thing to say. This camera on that show, I'll say, okay, with her saying this stuff about she's on the spectrum. So this up and Adam was watching him today all day. He called Kelly Dodd on the phone and

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So this.

Here go again.

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and let me know.

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Do you know Kelly do you know who Kelly Dodd is she's the one she's the one that was in that She was a former housewife of OC No, Kelly Dodd Kelly Dodd no Kelly Dodd asked her she knows who Kelly Dodd is she doesn't know who Kelly Dodd is

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She's the one that was in that trip with the housewives.

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She's the one that was tripping.

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But wasn't she on that trip with the Dorinda and, or am I thinking wrong? No, not him.

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What's your channel name? Who? Tamer was. No. No, Tamer. Wait, Tamer?

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So I don't know, so I don't know what to tell you.

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Kelly, that was an OC housewife, but she wasn't on the girls ultimate trip. The ultimate girls trip.

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No, she was not.

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she wasn't. What was that other, what was that girl's name? I mean, Cameron. No, the one that I watched.

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I mean, Tamra and Vicki, the one that I.

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Tamra and Vicki.

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I don't know. Sonia and Luann. Yeah. That was Crappy Lake. You watched Ultimate Girl's Trip? Did you Girl's Trip? you watch Did you the Did Did Did Girl's Did watch Girl's Did watch Ultimate Girl's Did watch Ultimate Girl's Trip? you watch the Girl's Trip?

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Sonia and Luann.

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Yeah

No, it was a girl's s-

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You watched the Ultimate Girls trip? Did you watch the one at Dorinda's house?

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No, they were at an island.

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Yeah, so you watched the one, the New York one? Yeah, yeah. You watched the, no, she watched the one with all the New York girls. Luann. Ramona. Yeah. Ramona wasn't there.

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that 70s disco. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The way

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okay. Right. anyway. Tamra is an independent contractor. What? So she gets paid on a 1099. Who? Tamra.

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for being a Republican. What? Who? They all do. They're all 1099. but anyway, so she was because she was saying Heather McDonald was saying. No, they're all 1099. None of them are getting benefits. None of them are on the payroll of Bravo. They're contracted. They have contracts that they sign. If you're a contracted employee.

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I... preach. WHAT?! Who?

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so but anyway, so she was sick because she was saying Heather McDonald was saying

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I didn't know that.

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it will close contracts if...

They're not considered BRAVO employees?

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If you're contracted, you are contracted, you are 1099.

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No, but this is the thing. So Heather McDonald was saying that because she's saying she's under the spectrum that she'll be covered under the Americans with disabilities. was disabled. Okay.

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Heather McDonald was saying that, because she's saying she's under the spectrum, that she'll be covered under the Americans. She was joking. yeah, no, she was joking. Heather McDonald was throwing shade. Yes. But they were saying because she's a 1099 employee, doesn't... No, doesn't. ... so she can't... No, it was just Heather throwing shade.

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you

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Okay. So, they were saying because she's a 299 employee that doesn't, Rob was not an employer so she can't.

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hysterical.

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Not at all.

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No, okay, okay. I thought I had something good. I tried.

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That's hysterical. Heather has been hysterical with the whole Tamra situation.

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Yeah. will just last mention that on after this episode on Watch What Happens Live.

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on Watch What Happens Live. It was Bronwyn, I didn't know Bronwyn's last name is Newport, and Heather McMahon. I love Heather McMahon. I love Heather McMahon. And Bronwyn and her chandelier earrings that she had on. And her husband Todd was there and they were talking about buying the rug, because the rug was being auctioned off. What? many times did Waka, Andy Cohen's dog, shit on that rug? Yeah.

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It was wrong. I didn't. Me neither. I love. Yes, she was funny.

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It was.

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Does she know?

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Fantastic.

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the auctioneer.

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You know all I kept thinking of how many times did walk up Andy Cohen's dog shit on that rug? Why would you want I mean, I guess we could steam clean it but

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Honestly, don't know what happened because the next night there was a new rug there so I don't know if he actually got it or not because there isn't I May have missed it because I don't know we'll have to find out if if Bronwyn and Todd got that rug and it's gonna be in their house But it's Yes, what is Kelly drinking we're gonna post this this is proper cock

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They didn't say it?

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Thank

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Yeah, we'll find out.

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I'd like to know what Kelly's having to drink.

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we're going to post this. This is Proper Cock, Luneek Limontini and it's from Garden State Distillery and it was made after my friend Luanne Russell, who is an amazing person. And I also know the owner of Garden State Distillery, Cissy Norman, they're in Tom's River and Luanne does boozy bingo at

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proper what? Proper cock. Okay. That's interesting. Unique, lime, lime and teeny. And it's from Garden State Distillery. And it was made after my friend Luanne Russell, who is an amazing person. And I also know the owner of Garden State Distillery, Sissy Norman. They're in Toms River. And Luanne does boozy bingo at, Garden State Distillery. And we're going to go so we can, so you can meet her because.

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and where they're

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Garden Seek Distillery and we're going to go so we can, so you can meet her because LuAnza is such an amazing person that Rick and Sissy who owned Garden Seek Distillery saw that for themselves and decided to make its proper cock.

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to go. Yes.

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Luanne's and such an amazing person that Rick and sissy who owned to receive distillery saw that for themselves and what? It's proper cock. All right, so if I'm a person and I have a drink named after me and the drink is called proper Well, the proper cock is not the name of the drink. The name of the drink is unique Limontini, I think proper cock is one of their liquor

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And what's the name of the drink again? It's Robert Croc. All right, so if I'm a person and I have a drink named after me and the drink is called Robert Croc, I like it.

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Well, the proper cock is not the name of the drink. The name of the drink is Luneek Limontini. I think proper cock is one of their liquor, like one of their, I don't know if it's their vodka or their, yes, yes, yes, yes. But they're just, they're all amazing people and it's delicious.

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Like one of their labels or their their yes, okay, but They're just they're all amazing people. I was just gonna say And Rick was in the boat ease liquor store where my daughter works and she texted me and said they're they're sampling the thing that you like because Tess knows I like that so I went in and I Didn't know Rick. I only knew his wife, but I introduced myself and we're gonna go to a boozy bingo

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When they're lines when their lines of liquor, okay I Was just gonna say it like if I had a drink named after me in it and it was called proper cock I'd be like

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And Rick was in a Lovoti's liquor store where my daughter works and she texts me and said, they're, they're sampling the thing that you like. Tess knows I like that. So I went in and I didn't know Rick. I only knew his wife, but I introduced myself and we're to go to a booth and then go.

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Okay, fun.

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For sure. For sure.

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I don't know if we want to say that, but all right. It's late, it's Saturday, and there's been a lot of alcohol consumption. Letting it rip. We're letting it rip, people.

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Okay, but but we just did because that's how we roll around here All right. I think it's bedtime Yeah, I think it's There's been a lot Look, there's been a lot of proper cock Well, have to say Okay

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a lot of proper cock. All right. Good night.

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Good night.