Lake Norman Looms: Drama, DUI, and Divorce

 Lake Norman Looms: Drama, DUI, and Divorce

The Real Housewives of Potomac Season 9, Episode 3, titled Momma Knows Best, follows the ladies as they navigate personal drama, family dynamics, and a potential girls' trip. Key moments include:

• Mia, Stacey & Jassi's Entrance: They arrive at Giselle's event but are thrown out by Giselle's security. Viviene, instead of joining the party, opts to hang out with them in the Sprinter van.
• Post-GNA Drama: Ashley, Karen, and Jassi visit Stacey's home to debrief on the recent events. The group discusses moving forward, but only if Giselle apologizes.
• Family Drama: Wendy informs her mom that she will be going on a girls' trip to North Carolina during her birthday, causing tension with Eddie's mom. Wendy wants to invite Eddie's parents to her 40th birthday.
• Prom Time: Giselle's daughters, Adore and Angel, prepare for their prom, and Jamal makes an appearance to see them off.
• Mia’s Storyline: Mia spends time with Inc and shares her concerns about the foster care system's impact on her, emphasizing the importance of positive male figures in her kids' lives. She also reveals an impending court appearance.
• Stacey’s Divorce Struggles: Stacey meets up with TJ for a workout, where she grapples with her ongoing divorce. She also has an emotional confrontation with Ashley and Giselle over the sensitive nature of her marriage and personal life being discussed.
• Karen's Legal Issues: Karen faces a barrage of traffic-related charges, including a DUI, sparking concern among the group.
• Trip Prep: The episode ends with the ladies getting ready for a girls' trip to Lake Norman, with tensions still simmering. Stacey chooses to drive instead of fly due to a family tragedy.

Takeaways

• Giselle's event was poorly handled, leading to drama.
• Ashley is perceived as condescending and messy.
• Karen's actions at the event were criticized.
• Wendy's family dynamics are complicated and tense.
• Mia's relationship with G is strained, and Ink's return raises questions.
• Kirana faces pressure regarding marriage expectations.
• Stacey's interaction with TJ was awkward and confusing.
• Mia's new apartment signifies a fresh start for her family.
• Karen's legal troubles are serious and numerous.
• The hosts reflect on the challenges of parenting and relationships. Karen's legal troubles raise questions about accountability.
• The dynamics of dinner conversations reveal underlying tensions.
• Divorce is a difficult topic that affects everyone involved.
• Travel attire reflects the personalities of the cast members.
• Turning 40 prompts reflections on personal growth and faith.
• Legal matters create tension within the group.
• Podcast collaborations are a way to connect with fans.
• Blind items in media can be misleading and unverified.
• Friendships in reality TV can be complicated and emotional.
• The hosts express their love for fellow podcasters and reality stars.

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.877)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.736)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.134)
We're talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, season nine, episode number three. And this one is called Mama Knows Best. We start off with Mia, Stacey, and Jazzy. And they're all arriving at Giselle's event at 8.04 as Giselle is calling over William, her security guard, and throwing them out.

Not good. No. And I really thought, I really thought Ashley was going to go over and be like, no, no, no, let them stay. But then she wound up like, like, no, it's eight three or it's eight four. But what does it matter? Is it matter if it's eight or three or eight four? No, it didn't matter. So then they, the girls go back out in the Sprinter van and Vivian goes out.

Kelli (00:33.677)
Not a good look, Giselle.

Kelli (00:41.827)
Me too!

Kelli (00:51.725)
No!

We Wine Whenever (00:58.648)
to the Sprinter van is like hanging out with them. And then Ashley comes out to kind of apologize, but not.

Kelli (01:05.689)
I don't think she was apologizing. She was being very condescending. She bought them like G &A stuff or something. She was, I haven't liked Ashley for the past few seasons. I don't know why they keep her on there. I don't think she brings much except mess, but whatever. That's just, know, that was that she was trying to be, she was trying to be messy going out to that Sprinter van.

We Wine Whenever (01:12.265)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:30.794)
Yeah, she was. And then we see 18 hours after the event, Jazzy, Ashley and Karen go over to Stacey's house. And Ashley reiterates to them what she said to Giselle on Wednesday, that she wasn't going to invite the other women to her event. Now, but she did invite them. I didn't...

quite understand that.

Kelli (02:03.587)
And so Ashley said a week ago, you didn't even know what this award was.

We Wine Whenever (02:08.168)
Right. Exactly.

Kelli (02:11.685)
And she said, and you weren't gonna invite anybody. And then Karen said, know, whatever she said. She changed her mind, whatever. mean, she's Karen. Karen was definitely wrong to do that. I mean, and I don't, you know, I don't like that Gisele kicked them out of that party, but she said it. I'm not mad at them. I'm mad at Karen.

We Wine Whenever (02:18.186)
Right.

Karen was wrong.

We Wine Whenever (02:34.953)
Yes. And you know, she did get it. And from what I understand actually, Karen's event wasn't even filmed. There wasn't any Bravo cameras there. Only thing we saw was on iPhone footage. So no, because we really didn't see anything. We saw them take a picture. Like we really didn't see anything.

Kelli (02:36.451)
So, she got it.

Kelli (02:50.435)
You're kidding.

Kelli (02:55.449)
That's it.

That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (03:00.04)
because they didn't have clearance to film there because it happened so last minute. Right, right. So it just kind of, you know, it reiterates what Gisele said. Like you were coming to my event, my event was planned, Bravo knew about my event, cameras were at my event and you know, Karen was messy.

Kelli (03:05.177)
It was a last minute thing.

Kelli (03:19.716)
Yep.

Kelli (03:23.257)
Yeah, she was wrong. She was definitely wrong.

We Wine Whenever (03:26.311)
Yeah, then we see Wendy, she's talking to her mom and she's telling her mom how they're going to North Carolina with the girls. And it's going to be while it's Wendy's birthday. She's going to be away for her birthday, but she's turning. Yep. The big four. And she wants Eddie to guess, have a party for her. And we find out which we kind of knew, but it kind of, we stopped talking about it. Like Eddie's family doesn't get along with Wendy's family. Like her mom.

Kelli (03:36.133)
her 40th.

Kelli (03:53.709)
Yeah, yeah. wonder if, yeah, no, I wonder if Eddie's family sees her children though. Like it doesn't sound like they see her children. I think what they say the last time, I think it was one of the kids communions maybe was the last time they saw them, which I don't know how long ago that was, but that's when Wendy's mom went up to give her.

We Wine Whenever (03:55.635)
I forgot about that.

Kelli (04:21.753)
to give the other, you know, Eddie's mom a hug and she turned away from her. But apparently they were friends and then they fell out after the kids got engaged. Like, don't you, wouldn't you want that? Like, wouldn't it be like amazing? Like a, you know, not that you arranged it, but it just organically happened that your kid fell in love with your friend's kid. Like, I think that would be cool.

We Wine Whenever (04:33.798)
Yeah, it's a-

We Wine Whenever (04:47.58)
think that they were friends. I just thought that they got along. didn't know that they were actual friends before they got together.

Kelli (04:54.905)
That's what Wendy said. She said my mom and Eddie's mom were friends. And then as soon as Eddie and I got engaged, that was it.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.919)
I

We Wine Whenever (05:03.427)
Okay, that's interesting.

Kelli (05:04.687)
Yeah.

Yeah.

But Eddie's dad called Wendy to wish her a Happy Mother's Day. That was nice.

We Wine Whenever (05:09.841)
So.

Right. And her mom says, like she said to her mom, you're going to be okay with, you know, his family coming. And her mom said, yeah, you know, I'll be okay with it. But her, mom is shady.

Kelli (05:21.603)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:24.939)
I agree. Cause when she turned around, you're like, what is she going to say? And she's like, invite them. But you're like, does she really want her to invite them or is she like, like, like sharpening her knife, like invite them sharpening her knife. my God, that fish. And like, what was the fish like just laying in the freezer, like just the fish, not like wrapped up in anything.

We Wine Whenever (05:25.895)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:40.295)
Right, with the big fish there in front of her.

Kelli (05:53.157)
Like imagine your kid going to get like a ice cream sandwich out of the fridge. There's a big fish that looks like a dinosaur in there.

We Wine Whenever (06:02.129)
I know, that was crazy, right?

Kelli (06:04.259)
Yeah, actually that would be a fun joke to play on the kids. So I'm gonna pass that one along to Eric and see if he could do something about that.

We Wine Whenever (06:07.257)
Hahaha

We Wine Whenever (06:11.034)
There you go.

Kelli (06:12.653)
Well, Bill's out fishing right now. Maybe he could hook us up.

We Wine Whenever (06:16.166)
Actually, he's home from fishing. He's home. Yep. So then we see Kiorna's at home with her mom. Her mom comes over and her mom asks her about like, what's going on about, you know, the road to marriage. Like, when is that going to happen?

Kelli (06:17.836)
Okay, never.

Kelli (06:32.569)
Why are people all over this girl to get married? Like don't they think she can handle her own business?

We Wine Whenever (06:40.919)
I mean, I don't know. I agree with you. Like, I mean, she's a grown woman. Let her be when she's ready. Yeah.

Kelli (06:46.159)
She's a, exactly. She just got a great gig on Real Housewives of Potomac. She's building a beautiful home with a man she loves. Let her be. As long as her name's going on the house. If her name's not going on the house, I could see cause for concern. But if her name's going on the house, which it sounds like it is.

We Wine Whenever (06:52.152)
Right.

Right. Exactly. I agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (07:09.026)
Yeah, no, it definitely sounds like it is.

Kelli (07:11.373)
Yeah, lucky R and a B.

We Wine Whenever (07:13.039)
I agree. And then next we see Gisele with Adore and Angel and they're getting ready to go to prom.

Kelli (07:21.647)
They look beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (07:23.01)
They did. And then we had a guest cameo from Jamal shows up to see the girls off in their prom dresses.

Kelli (07:30.745)
Always like a Jamal sliding.

We Wine Whenever (07:32.64)
Yeah, I mean they did look beautiful and good for them, you

Kelli (07:35.821)
Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it's something he would miss. He does seem like a very good father, even though, you know, he's not in Potomac, but they're not super far apart. He seems like a great dad. And I liked his interaction with Cal, too.

We Wine Whenever (07:53.41)
Yes. Well, I mean, they were friends first. She kind of stole Cal from him. Yeah, which I like. Good for her. Good for her. Then we see Mia is over at Ink's place. And when he comes to town, they like to actually, they're an Airbnb. They like to get an Airbnb because that way she has a little space from G cause they're in the same building.

Kelli (07:58.245)
Yeah, that's what she said.

Kelli (08:20.013)
Yeah, so he can't pop in.

We Wine Whenever (08:22.239)
Right, which I'm sure he would be doing.

Kelli (08:25.637)
Apparently did you hear what she said? He had a hangnail she had to take care of. don't even listen to Eric. It's a hangnail. I'm not the one I'm not the one So

We Wine Whenever (08:26.721)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (08:35.101)
No, no, exactly.

And then.

Kelli (08:40.559)
Good for G that he feels comfortable enough with Mia and Inc to pr-

We Wine Whenever (08:44.727)
Well, think honestly, think he, listen, I think he's a little bit worse off than we know. Cause she made it sound like when she was talking to Jacqueline and even Inc did like, they're kind of like taking care of him. Cause he really shouldn't be alone. Did you get that impression?

Kelli (09:03.075)
Yeah. You know, I feel bad for G because, you know, obviously when he... I don't know how long he and Mia were together. What, like 11 years did they say?

We Wine Whenever (09:11.38)
Something like that, yeah.

Kelli (09:12.997)
Alright, so what is he? Maybe 60? Gee. And she's in her 30s. So you figure 11 years ago, this guy was in his probably early 50s. I mean, I think she's a good looking guy now, so he was even better looking then. The money was flowing, and he scored this baddie. And now, you know, the money's gone. They got all, you know,

We Wine Whenever (09:16.245)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:32.448)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:36.385)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:42.341)
jammed up with the the joint and now she's like peace. I did want to ask you though and I don't I think I think it's like right in my notes soon but I because they flashback right they showed a picture of Mia and ink in high school they go into the prom do you think this guy came back into her life because now she's on the Real Housewives of Potomac

We Wine Whenever (09:46.219)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (10:03.594)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (10:09.522)
I mean, I don't think so. I think this guy came back into her life because he knew that she wasn't happy with the whole G situation. And I think that he suspected that Jeremiah was his son. And I think he came back to put his claim in.

Kelli (10:38.337)
And she obviously was in communication with him throughout her marriage. I'm not saying she cheated on G with him. I'm not, I'm not saying that, alleging that I'm not. I'm just saying she had to be in some kind of communication with him. He didn't just pop up.

We Wine Whenever (10:47.208)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:54.111)
Well, she did actually cheat on G, but I don't know if it's that she cheated on him or they had an open relationship because G led us to believe that he knew at his age he wasn't going to be able to do the things that were necessary, right? Because she was going through IUI and that's how Jeremiah, she thinks, was conceived, but she was also sleeping with Ink at the same time. So it could in fact be Ink's child. And when they...

Kelli (11:02.211)
right.

Kelli (11:09.145)
That's right. Right, right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (11:23.337)
When he was talking to his, what's her name? Jacqueline's boyfriend. Jacqueline's boyfriend. he was talking to Jacqueline's boyfriend about his little princesses look exactly like him. he said that, yeah, that's my son. And they do kind of look alike. He kind of nodded his head.

Kelli (11:29.615)
Jacqueline?

Kelli (11:38.426)
yeah.

Kelli (11:48.323)
He said Jeremiah was his son?

We Wine Whenever (11:52.604)
He said, you know, do you

Kelli (11:53.305)
Well, because the guy Patrick said, do you have children? And he said, yeah, I have kids.

We Wine Whenever (11:58.483)
And then he nodded his head to Jeremiah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did.

Kelli (12:00.173)
He did. Okay, I didn't catch that. That's interesting.

I think production was setting that whole thing up with him saying, your princesses look just like you.

We Wine Whenever (12:11.889)
Yeah, no, I do too. I do too. But that's when I honestly, when I looked at Jeremiah and I looked at Inc. and I was like, shit, maybe he is his because I do see a resemblance.

Kelli (12:23.93)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:25.105)
Guess we have to see how tall he is.

Kelli (12:27.155)
I was just thinking the same thing!

Kelli (12:32.399)
We're gonna have to wait until this gets like 17.

We Wine Whenever (12:33.373)
Look at us throwing shade just like Giselle.

Kelli (12:39.321)
I know, poor ink. Seems like a very nice man.

We Wine Whenever (12:45.264)
But then Mia, she starts talking about her dad and him not being in her life. And she was in the foster care system. And she just wants to make sure her kids have a positive male influence in their life. And I think that they do with Jay. You know, I do. mean, he obviously loves them. So like, I don't know.

Kelli (13:00.421)
do too!

Kelli (13:05.935)
Listen, nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors in anybody's house, let's face it. And if, you know, last season when the season ended, she alluded to that he wasn't very nice to her, gee, for the past two years or however long it was. You know, I'm sure when his financial status was crumbling, I'm sure that, you know, took a toll. So I'm sure their kids have seen some shit, like most of our kids have.

And but but other than that he seems like a very good dad and a very involved dad and a very caring

We Wine Whenever (13:39.267)
He does, but-

but he was also at the same time diagnosed with bipolar disorder. And if not treated and treated properly, that can make you not kind and mean and nasty. And I think she is understanding of that. I do.

Kelli (13:46.125)
Right! Right!

Kelli (13:53.999)
Sure.

Right, right.

I do too. mean just the way she was talking about it at the end of last season. Like she wasn't like, you know, she wasn't coming at him. She was just saying so it would be so it would be presented to the fans on the show. Like this is what was going on. He and he did not deny it. So.

We Wine Whenever (14:06.318)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (14:18.744)
Right, right.

And then next we see Stacey, she's going into the sweat doc and she meets up with TJ. What did you think about their interaction, her and TJ?

Kelli (14:34.213)
it was a little awkward and maybe it's just because they were on camera and he did you know I mean he worked for QVC so you would think he was used to being on camera but he didn't look super comfortable and I thought their conversation was very confusing and very cryptic.

We Wine Whenever (14:51.564)
I 100 % agree. That's exactly what I thought. thought that he seems very uncomfortable. I thought it looked to me like she had more chemistry with her trainer. And he did too, to be quite honest with you. Like, was very kind of awkward and standoffish. And she even said to him like,

Kelli (15:01.487)
For sure.

Kelli (15:05.157)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.263)
You know.

He brought up something and he said, well, I'm not gonna do this before marriage. Like, why would you have this conversation in the gym? Like the whole sex before marriage? Like, why would that come up in the gym?

Kelli (15:31.33)
Yeah, and he said I just want to know there's a beginning and an end What did that mean?

We Wine Whenever (15:36.222)
Right, right, yeah.

Kelli (15:41.187)
And then the producer's asked her, he a virgin?

We Wine Whenever (15:44.183)
Right, and she said no, right. Cause he said, he came right out and said, he said, I'm not sleeping with you. He says, I don't want to have sex before marriage. And you know, the producers asked her and she said, you know, she's willing to wait. And he's like, you but he asks her like, how are you like handling the divorce? And she says like, she doesn't want to talk about it. You know, her husband and her.

She tells us this in the confessional are very well known in the area and they serve on a lot of boards together. But okay. TJ knows that. So why, why is he asking you like that on camera? I don't know. It, I got the feeling that it is not really what she thinks it is, or she's misleading us. I'm not really sure if she's being misled herself.

Kelli (16:24.026)
Right.

Kelli (16:41.593)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:41.629)
or if she's misleading us, I just got the feeling something was off.

Kelli (16:45.785)
Something was definitely off. Something was definitely off.

We Wine Whenever (16:49.089)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:52.425)
And then we see me at her new apartment and she says, the kids are happy and they love it at the new place. And I cannot believe this is their fourth place in four years. But that place was nice. I mean, the view, the view of the Washington monument. And I mean, I honestly liked it better than that big, house they had.

Kelli (17:01.795)
Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. Yeah it was.

Kelli (17:15.543)
Yeah, because she's in DC, right?

We Wine Whenever (17:18.315)
Well, she must be, if she could see the Washington Monument. And that's gotta be crazy expensive.

Kelli (17:22.01)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:25.61)
for sure. For sure.

We Wine Whenever (17:26.835)
A corner apartment, a corner apartment with all views. can't, yeah, I can't even imagine what that's costing. I seriously can't. And she's telling, you know, Inc. about how she's going to Lake Norman with the girls. And I don't know why he feels the need to ask her about how things are going with Karen. You know, with her and Karen.

Kelli (17:31.107)
With the view, yeah.

Kelli (17:51.457)
That's what I mean. Like, yeah, like why is he... I don't know. I don't get a great feeling from this guy. I know they got a history, but...

We Wine Whenever (17:59.549)
No, I don't. I know. Like, why are you getting involved in this? This is a Jersey that the guys don't get involved. Right? Right. Yes. Yes. Right. Right. And Ray barely got involved. No, Bill Gates. Bill Gates, the black Bill Gates.

Kelli (18:04.846)
Why you care?

Kelli (18:09.155)
Nah, that's right. Know your place. And you just got here! You're not Ray!

Kelli (18:18.361)
You're not the black Uncle Ben.

Kelli (18:25.349)
I'm sorry. We gotta take that out. Poor Ray. Ray is legit one of my favorite house husbands, by the way. That's right, the black Bill Gates. What the hell's wrong with me? because Giselle called him Uncle Ben. I mean, Uncle Ben is black. Why would I say the black Uncle?

We Wine Whenever (18:29.875)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:38.625)
Well, because Bill... Exactly! Exactly!

Kelli (18:44.485)
One tequila people, one tequila. And I'm not even done with it. It was a heavy pour.

We Wine Whenever (18:53.137)
Listen, this was a tough get to where I am tonight.

Kelli (18:56.006)
my god, people, you have no idea. And this could possibly sound like shit. We have no clue. All of a sudden our sound's not working in our studio.

We Wine Whenever (19:01.822)
You really don't.

Yeah, we're having some technical difficulties. I don't know. So Mia tells Inc. that, you know, it's going to criminal court. And I'm thinking about this. like, of course it's going to criminal court. I mean, where does she think it's going? A DUI is a criminal charge. Right. So I look, I want to look up Karen's charges. So I do. look up her charges because they said how many she had. So this is what she's charged with. She's charged with a DUI.

Kelli (19:21.189)
It's not a civil matter.

We Wine Whenever (19:31.957)
driving under the influence of alcohol and driving while impaired by alcohol. Her traffic violations are negligent driving, endangering property, life and person, reckless driving, failure to control speed, driving above reasonable speeds, driving with a suspended registration, and failure to notify the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration of change of address. Those are a lot of charges.

Kelli (20:01.765)
a lot of charges. So her registration was expired and she must have moved and her license was not updated with the new address.

We Wine Whenever (20:09.195)
That is correct. And she was speeding and.

Kelli (20:11.545)
The speed thing is interesting because back in the day, you know, when we were going to the club, you know, unfortunately, I would never want my kids to know this, but we would, you know, have a couple of cocktails and then drive. But I'm telling you, white knuckle, five under the speed limit. You know what I'm saying? Five miles under the speed limit.

Like, especially if we were coming home from seaside and going down 35. I would never do it today, people, just to let you know. But it has, it did happen in my early 20s. I, like, but I get, I mean, you must be really out of your mind drunk to be speeding while under the influence.

We Wine Whenever (21:02.167)
Well, the other thing I read is because just recently, I don't know how recently it was, when I was searching the charges, her attorney was trying to get thrown out the evidence that was found. And they were trying to get thrown out based on, they were saying illegal search and seizure. Because after the accident, they were asking her questions and they went into her vehicle and she was answering the questions.

But they're saying that she was not read her Miranda rights because she wasn't under arrest yet. But the judge threw it out. He said, no. But one of the things that was seized were two empty beer cans. Two empty beer cans in her car. I do not get Karen Huger as drinking beer.

Kelli (21:49.017)
That's not good.

We Wine Whenever (21:58.411)
I'm just saying.

Kelli (21:58.947)
Not canned beer. I mean Ashley likes her Corona's but at least that's a bottle. Yeah, canned beer?

We Wine Whenever (22:05.397)
Yep.

Right? I don't know.

Kelli (22:11.747)
Yeah, that's... that's odd. Imagine if she was with somebody else, like with another guy, and they're not saying...

We Wine Whenever (22:15.447)
Thought so too.

We Wine Whenever (22:23.575)
Well, they also said, I also read when I was searching about this, that the person that called 911 said that she was slurring her speech, she reeked of alcohol, and she was very confused.

Kelli (22:39.951)
Who called 911?

We Wine Whenever (22:42.169)
So somebody saw the accident and stopped and was with her when the police arrived. And the police said that she was in, like she was in the back of the car for 10 minutes while they were talking to her. It's not that she was arrested. It's that, you know, she had just been in an accident and a pretty bad accident because the car was totaled. So they were talking to her in the back of the police car. And, you know, it was...

evident to them and to the person who called 911 that she was intoxicated. And I guess based on, you know, the investigation at the scene, you could see how fast someone's going or get an idea. Cause she, you know, she hit something. She swerved, she swerved out. Yeah.

Kelli (23:29.658)
yeah, they can tell. They got all kinds of technology to figure out like the point of, you know, the amount of impact on something. How fast a vehicle, you know, depending on the vehicle and...

We Wine Whenever (23:32.332)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:38.038)
Right.

Right. And then they got a court order to draw her blood, to get her blood alcohol. So, you know, listen, I mean...

Kelli (23:43.748)
Wow.

Kelli (23:56.101)
Wait, but how are they gonna get like what like, it's not like they're gonna get it from that night. What do you mean?

We Wine Whenever (24:02.752)
I think they took her to the hospital.

Kelli (24:05.194)
well, then for sure. They're getting it.

We Wine Whenever (24:08.308)
Yeah, because she was talking to EMS when they arrived. She was talking to EMS when the police arrived. So EMS was there. yeah. So we'll have to wait and see how this. Yes. And I just would like to say everything I'm saying is alleged, just telling you what I read.

Kelli (24:18.082)
Okay.

Okay.

It's not looking good for Karen. It's not looking good for Karen.

Kelli (24:31.157)
Of course. Right, right, we don't know if any of this is true.

We Wine Whenever (24:35.626)
Right, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. And by the way, even sometimes they're innocent then too, so just saying. Right?

Kelli (24:38.498)
Absolutely.

Yeah, we're learning that. Dear God. So Jossie came in hot when they went to dinner with Giselle.

We Wine Whenever (24:51.657)
I don't blame her.

Kelli (24:53.099)
I don't blame her at all. I think she's a great addition, this little sassy jassy.

We Wine Whenever (24:58.122)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (24:59.781)
She was like, I'm glad you're welcoming today. I thought that was great.

We Wine Whenever (25:02.516)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yep. And they're having their charcuterie and cocktails. But then Gisele did apologize to the ladies and she let them know that, you know, her anger was really meant for Karen, that, you know, it wasn't meant for them. And they, I felt like they all accepted her apology.

Kelli (25:10.659)
Mm-hmm

Kelli (25:18.938)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:23.713)
I do too. I do too.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.452)
And then they start talking about the girls trip. And then for some reason, Giselle, just being Giselle says to Stacey, I know you have two kids. And Stacey's like, no, I have one daughter and I've been married for 16 years and I'm going through a divorce. And Giselle said, well, you seem sad about it. And she's like, do you not want the divorce? And Stacey said, well,

You know, I'll never be happy about a divorce, which makes sense. I mean, you don't want to be happy. Right.

Kelli (25:58.489)
get that like she you know she knows it's it's what needs to be done but nobody wants to see their original family unit break up

Like that's her, that's, it's her, her husband, her daughter. Like that's her unit. And, and who wants to see that fall apart? Nobody.

We Wine Whenever (26:15.518)
Right. Right.

Right. No, I 100 % agree. So then Stacey said, know, no, then Ashley jumps in and Ashley's like, well, she has a friend and she goes, you moved on. You know, Giselle being Giselle. Stacey says to Ashley, nope. She says, I spent multiple days with you at my home. This is what I thought was interesting. I spent multiple days with you at my home talking about my marriage and my children. She has one child.

Kelli (26:36.961)
Stacy did not like that.

We Wine Whenever (26:51.923)
She said children, because I-

Kelli (26:52.301)
and she literally had just corrected Gisele for that.

We Wine Whenever (26:55.64)
I played it back three times. I'm like, why is she saying children? She just said she had one daughter, but she did say that. She did say that. And you came and you come here over cocktails and charcuterie and you spill my business. And Stacey says, I'm so cautious because I'm talking about the mental health of my daughter.

Kelli (27:02.075)
that's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (27:20.656)
I mean, that I get, I get that you're worried about your daughter, but we talked about this last week. You know, your daughter's old enough to see what is going on. She obviously knows you're not sleeping in the same bedroom. She's going on vacation with him. Most of the time when he's there, you're not there. You're in another apartment. I mean, the girl is not dumb. You can try and protect her all you want, but come on.

Kelli (27:24.442)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:29.359)
Yeah, come on.

Kelli (27:40.568)
No

Kelli (27:44.077)
Yeah, no I totally agree. And isn't, is she 10 or 11?

We Wine Whenever (27:49.288)
Exactly, she's 10 or 11.

Kelli (27:50.957)
I mean, you know, show her the respect to be honest with her.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.241)
Exactly, exactly. And then she said, I'm not ashamed of my friend. I'm ashamed of the way you brought it to the table. you know, Ashley, of course she, you know, she's like apologizing. She's like, listen, I didn't know this was a secret. I didn't know that you were going to tell everyone individually. Like you didn't say to me, like, don't repeat this. And I do actually believe that about Ashley. Cause when she said she's got to, she didn't seem like she had malice. She's like, no, she's got a friend. Like she's moving on.

Kelli (28:20.741)
I do too.

Kelli (28:26.691)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (28:28.101)
And she said a friend, she didn't say that.

Kelli (28:31.353)
Yeah, right, she didn't say she's got a new man in her life or anything like that.

We Wine Whenever (28:37.081)
Right. And the fact that Stacey got so defensive about it, just, that is another thing that kind of rubs like something's not right with that either.

Kelli (28:46.334)
I totally agree with you. Something's not adding up.

We Wine Whenever (28:48.346)
Like, right, it's just, the math ain't mathin'.

Kelli (28:52.569)
Mm-mm, mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (28:54.736)
So after that, we see all the ladies, they arrive at the airport and they're ready to go, getting ready to go to Lake Norman, North Carolina.

Kelli (29:02.191)
Did you notice how they were dressed?

We Wine Whenever (29:05.89)
No, I actually

Kelli (29:06.063)
They were all 100 % appropriately dressed for travel. Good job Potomac.

We Wine Whenever (29:10.562)
Okay, good, good. was looking, it's so funny. I was looking at their luggage this time. I'm always interested. I'm always impressed at how much luggage they bring for these short trips. It always just blows my mind. What is coming?

Kelli (29:18.199)
sure that was quite impressive yeah.

Kelli (29:27.459)
Especially to the lake, like I don't think you're going many places. Like I'm pretty sure you're staying on the lake. Maybe out to dinner a couple of times, but you know, you're you're doing lake stuff.

We Wine Whenever (29:33.092)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right.

Right, exactly, exactly. So then we hear from Mia that Stacey's not flying because she's driving because she has someone in her family that has died in an aviation accident. And I will say this.

Kelli (29:53.591)
in the month of May, right? Or she just doesn't fly in that month.

We Wine Whenever (29:56.657)
wait,

I didn't realize it was that specific month. I heard her say something.

Kelli (30:01.797)
I thought I could be wrong.

We Wine Whenever (30:05.26)
I heard her say something that, cause it's her mother's brother we find out and she does it out of respect for her mother. But I thought it was very interesting the way that Mia gave that information to the ladies and they were all like, okay. We understand that. Like an aviation accident. I mean, come on. Right, exactly.

Kelli (30:08.515)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:24.794)
Yeah.

I mean, I'm assuming plane crash, right?

We Wine Whenever (30:32.109)
So after they get there, we know Wendy's turning 40. I didn't realize that it was the very next day, and this was the last day in her 30s. And Giselle and her talking, Wendy, however it comes up, Giselle says that she does go to church on Sundays. And Wendy's very surprised to hear this, that she didn't think that. I mean, she was married to Jamal.

Kelli (30:58.773)
she said do you go to a catholic church and Giselle said yes. that's so she must so Giselle must have been raised catholic when she married Jamal started going to a baptist church and then went back to the catholic church but people it's all under Christianity so it's like potato potato you know. I mean I wouldn't find that very surprising like I know

We Wine Whenever (31:02.805)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (31:16.737)
Right. Right. Exactly.

Kelli (31:23.481)
Friends who were raised Catholic who now go to, you know, Pentecostal churches or Lutheran or, know.

We Wine Whenever (31:29.709)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:33.074)
then what else do we see? Mia's talking to Karen about how she's doing. Cause those two are together in their own vehicle. And she said, you know, Karen says like, she's got a lot on her. She feels the weight of everything on her. And Mia says, listen, it's all over the internet. Karen says, Karen says, we'll read it. And she's like, I did, I did read it. And I get that Karen doesn't want to talk about it because it is a.

Kelli (31:51.023)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:01.825)
criminal case and it is going through the courts. So she really should not speak about it. But then out we get the thing that says our late hours later and we're gonna have to wait until next week to find out what happens. But we see this big blow up between the ladies and they're saying we need you know, we need Karen to own up to what she did. I don't first of all, I don't know how that came out, but I don't think that they do need her to own up to it. Not if it's a legal matter and it's not been.

She should not be talking about it.

Kelli (32:31.151)
But that's what I'm wondering, like, what do they want her to say? Because she's saying, I can't say anything. First of all, I got a camera in my face. I really can't say anything. I just can't say anything right now. And everybody else who's gone through shit, like Karen said to Ashley, like, they've given them the respect. Like, okay, we get it. Like, it's like they're baiting her. She can't say anything. It's a legal matter.

We Wine Whenever (32:36.865)
Right.

Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:51.413)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:59.166)
Right. Exactly.

Kelli (33:02.541)
It's a criminal legal matter. It's not even the John Jansen bullshit with Shannon like you owe me 75 grand. This is like jail time possibly. She just needs to keep her mouth shut. Yeah. Like she just needs to keep her mouth shut and they should know that and they probably do.

We Wine Whenever (33:13.502)
Yes, because it's her second offense. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's the one thing I really like, again, I wanna see how it plays out, but I don't blame Karen for not telling them. She should not be telling them on camera. That should not be discussed. I don't think she should even tell them off camera, because I wouldn't even trust them, because they're all about the story. And then I don't know who asks Kiana about the scar on her head, but apparently that's from the GNA party.

Kelli (33:36.429)
No, no, 100%.

Kelli (33:48.943)
Really? I did not see that part.

We Wine Whenever (33:51.465)
So that's coming next week also.

Yeah. No, she's a muppet. Muppet, the muppet. So, yeah.

Kelli (33:56.527)
from Big Bird. Sorry, that was, that was the tequila. That's right, the Muppet. my God. I wonder if she, I wonder if Kiara is suing her. Probably not because Bravo would probably have to be named and she's on the show. She's probably like, I'm all set.

We Wine Whenever (34:19.347)
Housewives have it in their contract, they're not allowed to sue each other.

Kelli (34:23.104)
that's right, that's right. But they were both friends of last season. Neither one of them are housewives.

We Wine Whenever (34:25.193)
You're not.

But Kieron is a housewife now. Maybe that's why Kieron is a housewife now. Just, right? Yep. Yep.

Kelli (34:35.243)
Right. That's right. They're like sign right here. Sign this contract.

We Wine Whenever (34:44.423)
So we'll have to wait and see what happens next week. you know, stay tuned. Stay tuned. Stay.

Kelli (34:50.583)
Yeah, I'm I am loving Potomac this week this year and I told you it's the episodes go by so fast and I love that. I'm like, good. I got my notes. I enjoyed it. I wasn't pissed off. You know, I was thinking about Robin today because I read an article where that Giselle said that she really misses Robin and she hopes she comes back next season and even Karen while they were shooting some scenes would look at Giselle and be like, I miss Robin, you know. I don't miss her at all.

We Wine Whenever (34:58.587)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (35:20.665)
I don't miss her at all and I'm urging to know if she and Juan Dixon are still living in the same house. Cause come on now. He's the reason she's off the damn show. Cause she was trying to protect him. She lied right to Andy Cohen's face on Watch What Happens Live and a couple of days later went on her paid subscription podcast and spilled everything.

We Wine Whenever (35:30.181)
Hmm, that's an interesting question.

We Wine Whenever (35:38.141)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:48.765)
don't even think, they even have a podcast anymore?

Kelli (35:51.331)
I think so because was suing them for the name. Something was going on with for the name.

We Wine Whenever (35:56.135)
Re-

You know, it was the name because they were called their podcast was reasonably shady and he has shady trademark.

Kelli (36:05.573)
That's amazing he's got shady trademark.

We Wine Whenever (36:08.155)
Which by the way, that seminar is tomorrow. I'm gonna try and listen to that, the trademark seminar.

Kelli (36:13.795)
Yeah, I'll try. I'll try. Because we can just kind of hop on when we can, right?

We Wine Whenever (36:18.341)
Yeah, did you register?

Kelli (36:20.449)
Now I have to do that.

We Wine Whenever (36:22.213)
I was going to say I can just send you my link and we can both sign on through the link. I would imagine. Cause I did register. It was free. I'm registering. something else I wanted to tell you something else just happened. I know. new podcasts, new podcast just announced Cynthia Bailey and who's with her. Who's with her. That's it. Cynthia and crystal.

Kelli (36:28.143)
Okay.

Okay. Yeah.

Kelli (36:48.453)
Crystal Mink off.

We Wine Whenever (36:52.015)
And they're under, they're under, my brain isn't working tonight.

Kelli (36:52.164)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:59.623)
They're under, I don't like them either. Very shady, they're under.

We Wine Whenever (37:08.743)
Why can't I think of his name? Listen, I haven't even finished one glass of wine and I can't think of this guy's Vile, Vile Files. Nick Vile, Nick Vile. So I've listened to him a couple of times and the reason I stopped liking him is because he's thrown a lot of shade at like Sheena, I really like Sheena and La La, like he's thrown those people under the bus and I don't like that.

Kelli (37:17.797)
Whoa, I've never listened to him.

Kelli (37:37.357)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:38.651)
But I will listen to Crystal and Cynthia, because I like them both. I will listen to them.

Kelli (37:45.263)
yeah, me too for sure.

Did you listen to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald with Dreya DiMatteo?

We Wine Whenever (37:55.196)
my gosh, yes I did.

Kelli (37:57.327)
So good.

We Wine Whenever (37:58.919)
So I cannot believe she didn't know the whole Jersey, the whole Jersey thing and the Caroline Manzo.

Kelli (38:03.205)
I know. I know.

That was a great podcast. did you see it? I don't understand blind items. Like what are, where do these blind items come from?

We Wine Whenever (38:18.077)
So there's a couple podcasts that bravos and cocktails is one of them. used to listen to them. stopped listening to them. But Bravo and cocktails is one of the ones that take blind items. So you can send them information and it's a blind item and they don't verify it. Their blind items are not verified.

Kelli (38:36.835)
And they just put out like cryptic because they put one out today. I'm sure you saw it about an OC housewife that's headed for divorce. So there's only three housewives in OC that are married, Heather, Emily and Tamara. And it says that she's she's not shy to have procedures or she'll have any procedure. That's all of them, by the way.

We Wine Whenever (38:54.959)
Right, no, they were talking about Tamra. No, no, they were talking about Tamra because, it came out a couple days ago. And then Tamra and Eddie were doing their own thing. Cause Eddie was saying that, you know, he stands by Tamra and she just got a bad edit this year and they're fine. The blind item was about them. And then he tried to squash it. He tried to squash it. I did see that one, but which is.

Kelli (39:17.24)
Okay.

Kelli (39:22.181)
don't like these blind items.

We Wine Whenever (39:24.065)
That's why I stopped listening to them and following them because I'm like, doesn't, I don't want to hear what you think could have possibly happened from someone out there who's just putting shit out there.

Kelli (39:35.301)
Yeah, like if there's no merit to it, then why share it?

We Wine Whenever (39:37.977)
Right. Right. Well, because it gets you likes and views and followers, you know.

Kelli (39:42.565)
Yeah, that's true. And responses from the real players, the Bravo players.

We Wine Whenever (39:48.849)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:51.725)
Which by the way, shout out to Emily Simpson because she did actually comment on one of our posts on Facebook. And that was amazing because we love Emily.

We Wine Whenever (39:59.303)
We do love Emily and we would like to collaborate with Emily on a podcast about the Menendez brothers. So Emily, if you'd like to reach out to us at WeWineWhenever, we'd love to have you on and we get to chat about the Menendez brothers.

Kelli (40:05.731)
Yes, for sure.

Kelli (40:15.469)
And have we talked about our Danielle Cabral cameo?

We Wine Whenever (40:18.894)
No, we haven't.

Kelli (40:20.901)
so we love Danielle Cabral. I mean, we can't say it enough. We've met her a couple of times at different Housewives events and cousin Gina, who's been on the podcast, was so sweet and asked Danielle to send us a cameo. Didn't even tell her that it was us from We Wine Whenever. She just said my cousin Kelly and her friend Wendy, but Danielle knew right away. And she sent us the nicest cameo. It's on all of our social media sites and

We Wine Whenever (40:43.633)
Yes, she did.

Kelli (40:50.105)
Gina felt terrible because she didn't include Lori in it, but the times we met Danielle, Lori wasn't with us. so we, know, Lori was not offended by it at all.

We Wine Whenever (41:02.225)
Right, it's all good.

Kelli (41:03.971)
Yeah, but definitely shout out to Danielle Cabral because we love her.

We Wine Whenever (41:07.729)
We do love her. So until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Bye.

Kelli (41:15.407)
Bye.