RHONY: A Monet of a Friend Group - Pretty Messy Up Close!

 RHONY: A Monet of a Friend Group - Pretty Messy Up Close!

In this episode, Jessel opens with a playful "Clueless"-style narration, setting a humorous tone as she compares her friend group to a "total Monet." Throughout the episode, we get a mix of personal moments and classic "Housewives" drama.

1. Sai's Garden & Family Bonding: Sai and her husband David work on their new upstate garden, planning to memorialize her late mother by planting a tree with her ashes. Her Aunt Sufia joins them, adding sentimental support in this healing journey.
2. Jessel's "Clueless" Birthday Party: Jessel dreams of embodying Cher from Clueless, complete with multiple outfit changes, and ropes her friends into the theme. The party sets the stage for playful exchanges, including Jenna arriving dressed as Cher’s dad, and a mock "lawsuit" game between friends.
3. Drama Sparks: Erin expresses frustration with Jenna, feeling that Jenna hasn't been a supportive friend during a tough year. A series of confessional moments reveal Erin's struggles, resentment, and desire for deeper friendship. Meanwhile, Ubah opens up about the challenges and gratitude of being a Somali immigrant in the U.S., sharing her art and perspective on identity.
4. Bitter Banter & Friendships Tested: Brynn stirs the pot by critiquing Erin’s friendship with Jenna. Erin confronts Jenna about their strained relationship, while Raquel steps in, encouraging the group to address issues openly.

The episode balances emotional family moments with the glam and wit of Jessel's "Clueless" party, peppered with introspection and friend-group frictions.

Takeaways

• The opening of the episode references the movie Clueless, highlighting its cultural impact.
• Jessalyn's character reflects on her friend group being a 'total Monet'.
• Cy and David's garden plans symbolize their relationship growth.
• Aunt Sophie plays a significant role in Cy's family dynamics.
• Jessalyn's birthday planning showcases the show's theme of celebration.
• Jenna's new job signifies her return to the fashion world.
• Uba's art represents her personal journey and cultural reflections.
• The conversation emphasizes the importance of appreciating freedom.
• The hosts enjoy discussing the characters' relationships and developments.
• The episode blends humor with deeper cultural insights. Uba's journey in modeling highlights the barriers faced by black models.
• The stereotype of the 'angry black woman' is a recurring theme in media.
• Sai's emotional moment with her family showcases the importance of vulnerability.
• Fashion choices can significantly impact public perception and narrative.
• Reality TV often blurs the line between authenticity and production manipulation.
• Friendship dynamics can be complicated by misunderstandings and stereotypes.
• Emotional scenes can resonate deeply with viewers, reflecting real-life struggles.
• The portrayal of women in reality TV often leads to discussions about authenticity.
• Producers play a significant role in shaping the narratives of reality shows.
• The evolution of characters in reality TV can lead to more genuine portrayals. Jenna's commitment to her character at

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.674)
Hi, welcome to WeeWine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.509)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.285)
and I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.582)
We are talking about Real Housewives of New York, season 15, episode number five. And this one is called Without a Clue. We start out with the opening with Jessil narrating it as though it's the movie Clueless. And she starts out saying, okay, so you're probably thinking, is this a long comb commercial or what? But I actually have a way normal life for a New York girl. The only problem is my friend group is a total Monet.

We're fabulous from afar, but up close, we're a total mess. It's worse than the Pismo Beach disaster. I don't even know what that means.

Kelli (00:43.947)
That's the opening line of Clueless.

We Wine Whenever (00:45.166)
That's the exact opening line of Clueless?

Lori (00:48.369)
Kelli (00:49.121)
I mean, I don't know if it's word for word. It does start out like that, but I don't think that's word for word. There's references in there. She calls a girl in the movie a Monet. From far away she looks great, but up close she's a complete mess. And then they have like charity efforts in the movie and the Pismo beef relief disaster or something is one of the things that they do. So I don't think it's word for word, but.

We Wine Whenever (01:04.024)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (01:16.258)
Okay.

Kelli (01:16.777)
When she says you're probably thinking this is a, I don't know if she says Lanecom commercial, but she says something like that. But actually my life is pretty normal. Yeah. It's a great movie. I told Lori, I must've watched it 3000 times when it was on. It's just one of those movies I can't turn off when it comes on.

Lori (01:22.186)
Yeah, thank you so much.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.35)
Okay.

Right. I like.

Lori (01:34.954)
I think I've only seen it once and I barely remember it.

We Wine Whenever (01:35.403)
I haven't seen it.

Kelli (01:38.354)
and I hooked Tess right into it, so she'll watch it too.

We Wine Whenever (01:41.056)
Yeah, I haven't seen it in a long, long time, but.

Kelli (01:44.129)
But I also mentioned to Lori that her friend in the movie, Stacey Dash, she was in a lot. She was a good actress, but she left Hollywood. So I'd like to do some digging to see why she left Hollywood and if it had any connection to like the Harvey Weinstein situation.

Lori (01:58.462)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:59.998)
Yeah, that was that's this character that Sai was, right? Yes. What was her name? What was her character's name?

Kelli (02:04.095)
Yes.

Kelli (02:07.862)
We Wine Whenever (02:09.427)
I wrote it down when we get to that. That's right. Cause I can't remember it either. Yeah. Yeah. So I like when they do that. I like when they do kind of fun, you know, campy things like that. They relate it back to something. I thought that that was fun.

Kelli (02:11.039)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot. In real life, she's easy-dash, but...

Kelli (02:23.965)
I know it's a one name like, like share. Cause she says like that's how, that's why they bonded. Cause they both have names of iconic people who only have one name. They're both named after iconic people who only have one name. Dion. Dion. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:31.646)
They both have one name.

We Wine Whenever (02:38.437)
Dion, that's it, you're right. And she's named after Dionne Warwick?

Kelli (02:44.233)
I mean, I guess, but Dionne Wurwick used her last name.

We Wine Whenever (02:47.37)
Exactly. don't know either. No, no, I it was called clues for a reason.

Lori (02:50.655)
Yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (02:51.711)
I don't know. I mean, she wasn't the smartest in the movie.

Exactly. Such a cute movie though. Well, yeah, I mean, it's such a cute movie. Like her love interest at the end is, you know, was Phoebe's husband on Friends.

Lori (02:58.228)
There you go.

We Wine Whenever (03:08.138)
So then after that we see Cy and David, they're holding hands, walking to the garden center. I thought that was kind of cute to be quite honest with you, that they're walking down the street holding hands. And they're gonna have a four by eight garden. And then I didn't know Cy had a house in upstate New York that she was remodeling that we find this out. Yep.

Lori (03:26.664)
Now we do.

Kelli (03:28.043)
Yeah, I don't think we knew before this.

Lori (03:29.499)
No, I never heard told.

We Wine Whenever (03:30.889)
No, and that they're there in the summer on the weekends and they, know, they want to, groceries are so expensive, know, organic stuff is so expensive. So they want to be able to grow it. And then when she gets up to the register, the total for all of her stuff was $193. I thought that was a lot of money.

Lori (03:48.862)
There's a lot of money, but.

Kelli (03:49.183)
No. But what she get?

We Wine Whenever (03:50.107)
Yeah, enough for a four by eight garden.

Kelli (03:53.801)
Yeah, mean, listen, if you get fruits and vegetables all summer from that, though, that's a small investment.

Lori (03:58.078)
Yeah, this is true. Yep. She probably would have been better off buying her stuff in upstate instead of buying her stuff in the city.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.986)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:05.926)
Yes.

Kelli (04:07.473)
or go to a farm market, you know, if there was a farm market.

Lori (04:10.762)
That's what I'm saying. There's probably local things growing locally near her home in upstate New York, as opposed to, but you you have to have things to produce. So there you go.

We Wine Whenever (04:10.844)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:18.055)
Right.

Kelli (04:21.121)
But, and I think she's putting the garden at her Brooklyn house. That's why it's only four by eight. Right? Or no, she, it was four upstate New York?

Lori (04:27.082)
I thought it was for her house. That's what I thought.

We Wine Whenever (04:32.142)
I so. I thought it was too.

Kelli (04:33.311)
well yeah, that's stupid then. What are you going in the city to buy anything for? Yeah. Okay.

Lori (04:34.792)
Right, then that makes no sense. Right, you can get robbed.

We Wine Whenever (04:39.494)
to wait and see because when he set the size four by eight I was like okay that's not that big that'll fit in Brooklyn but then she went on to talk about how she's at the upstate place on the weekends in the summer so then she'd want it upstate not in Brooklyn.

Kelli (04:51.68)
Right.

Lori (04:51.998)
Yeah, I was confused.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.552)
I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Kelli (04:54.337)
And how are you gonna take care of a garden in upstate New York when you're in Brooklyn all week? You gotta water that shit every day unless they have somebody to do that for them.

Lori (05:03.658)
Who knows?

We Wine Whenever (05:04.571)
Unless they're there all summer. Who knows?

Kelli (05:06.229)
I think we might be overthinking this garden.

Lori (05:08.628)
We might be, it might be like an overthink. I think we're overthinking the garden thing. Yes, I'm with you on that. But they were cute together. They were cute together.

We Wine Whenever (05:09.774)
Definitely.

Kelli (05:11.243)
Don't look now, but I think we're overthinking it.

We Wine Whenever (05:14.617)
you

Kelli (05:18.438)
They're very they really are cute together. They are. Yeah, is he because he looks like a cop

We Wine Whenever (05:18.63)
They were cute.

Sushi start.

No, he's not a... He... He... He used to have a restaurant. Remember that's how they met? He owned a restaurant.

Lori (05:24.926)
He does have that cop look. That's a look. Yeah, he has that cop look.

Kelli (05:26.549)
Doesn't he?

Kelli (05:32.752)
that's right. The rumor mill was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bar. Yeah.

Lori (05:33.224)
You're a bar something. Yeah. Rumor bars last restaurant. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:34.927)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:38.49)
So then we hear about her Aunt Sophie again, she's coming to visit and David's like, well good, cause she's the only one who drinks beer with me.

Lori (05:46.122)
Yeah, who knew that Brazilians were big beer drinkers? That's how he made it sound. Who knows? Good for me. I'll out with her. We'll have a beer.

Kelli (05:51.221)
I didn't know that. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:52.611)
Yeah, yeah.

And so I was talking about how she's her mom's sister and she loves when she comes to visit because she's a big help with the kids and you know since she's been going to therapy now she's really ready to move forward with taking her mom out of the closet. And Aunt Sophie's coming for this you know event of moving her to upstate New York.

Kelli (05:57.013)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (06:20.579)
And she did say that while her mom was still alive, her mom did get to visit the house in upstate New York. And she really liked it there because she was originally looking for a tree, remember?

Lori (06:26.026)
Nice. That's nice.

Kelli (06:30.355)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:32.419)
cause she was outdoorsy.

Kelli (06:32.705)
You know what I thought was interesting? The last episode ended with Brynn like having a meltdown at What's-her-face's Hampton's house. And then all of a sudden this episode starts and it's we're back in the city. Isn't that weird?

We Wine Whenever (06:51.128)
it is weird but it was the end of the party like the party ended

Kelli (06:55.745)
Yeah, but Brynn was definitely having like a meltdown. Like did she leave early? Did she not leave early? she? No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying last episode, the last episode, they're at what's her for Aaron's house in the Hamptons and Brynn's having a meltdown. Like I'm not doing this. I want to go home. I want to go home. And she's crying. And then the episode ends. And then all of sudden the new episode starts and we're back in the city. Like normally they close it up.

We Wine Whenever (06:59.513)
Well, she did. She had to go get her tan. Remember? She left to go get her spray tan.

Lori (07:04.755)
last episode.

We Wine Whenever (07:16.727)
Yeah, that-

Kelli (07:23.101)
Even if they just do like a two minute thing, they close it up and then and then move on. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:27.424)
Yeah, maybe it was too much to close up. Right?

Kelli (07:31.489)
I guess so. Yeah.

Lori (07:33.675)
Maybe.

We Wine Whenever (07:35.917)
So then we see that, has it happened there? No, not yet. So David, before they get onto the next scene, David suggests that maybe they put some of the ashes in the ground for the tree, because they're going to put her in an urn and keep her in upstate New York, but maybe they bury some underneath the tree so that she'll be right there with nature, which I thought was a very nice idea. And then we see Jessalyn Pabbit, they're talking about planning her 41st birthday. I thought it was her 40th birthday. I don't know why.

Kelli (07:56.587)
That is a good idea.

We Wine Whenever (08:05.463)
Maybe because she's making... It's her 41st. I know, because she was making such a big deal about it.

Lori (08:05.962)
Yeah, I thought it was her 40th birthday too.

Kelli (08:14.175)
We're not like big deal birthday people, not one of us are. So it's to us, it's like 41, like what?

Lori (08:17.268)
Now. Now.

We Wine Whenever (08:18.603)
No.

Lori (08:21.532)
now. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:21.601)
Right. Right. Right. Who throws a bash for 41?

Kelli (08:27.059)
Right. These women will use any excuse to throw a party. End of theme.

Lori (08:31.678)
Well, I certainly think JASMINE will use an excuse.

We Wine Whenever (08:34.045)
Mm-hmm. And we also find out that Pavit has never seen the movie, which is no surprise. No, I'm, no, most men haven't, right? I mean, men are watching this movie? And then she also lets him know that she plans on switching outfits throughout the party. Because, you know, why not? It's her party. She can do what she wants. I thought it was interesting. Then we see Brynn getting her lashes done and Gideon, her ex-fiance, FaceTimes her after.

Kelli (08:34.12)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:41.109)
That is not a surprise, because Eric has never seen the movie either.

We Wine Whenever (09:04.365)
what she just said last week about Gideon and calling him the wrong name when they were having sex.

Lori (09:09.898)
Yeah, right. Isn't it weird that they like still keep in touch like that? I don't know. It's something just odd. yeah, she's just got odd. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (09:10.326)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:15.755)
He's so sweet though.

Kelli (09:17.995)
She seems like the type that just stays friends with exes. She does seem like the type.

We Wine Whenever (09:25.571)
So then Erin is at the coffee shop and she's asking Abe to pick up Levi from, I wasn't sure if it was basketball or baseball, probably basketball. Multiple sports, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (09:33.163)
She said he had like two sports.

Lori (09:37.414)
And you can tell that Abe's he's still getting punished. yeah, he's still getting punished. You could just tell.

Kelli (09:42.697)
He's in the dog house for sure. Yeah.

Yeah, Abe, you're picking the kids up. For a while.

Lori (09:50.482)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:52.547)
The thing that I thought was weird is she's like, well, I was at the Central Park Zoo this morning. Who was she at the zoo with in the morning?

Kelli (09:59.155)
I was thinking maybe a class trip or something. Yeah, right, class trip.

Lori (09:59.25)
Maybe one of the kids or a trip. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:02.403)
I mean, that's a lot. If you're at the Central Park Zoo in the morning, now you're having coffee with Abe and now someone needs to get picked up. Yeah, Abe, you're the one picking them up. Right? I mean, come on. And he's like, well, I have work to do when I get back. She's like, I have work to do too.

Kelli (10:10.837)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (10:16.927)
Yeah, she's like, what do think I'm sitting around watching TV?

We Wine Whenever (10:19.317)
Right, right. And then we see Jenna, she walks into, how do you pronounce it? Coviator? Coviator? Okay, so she walks into this office, I think it's pronounced Coviator. since, yeah, where she's now working. So since Beckett's leaving the nest soon, she has taken on a new position.

Lori (10:33.15)
Sounds good.

Kelli (10:39.218)
was that where she was sitting around the conference room table?

We Wine Whenever (10:46.379)
at an online fashion magazine called what I think is Coveator. She's the editor at large, meaning that she's not in the office that much. I like that. And I like that she's getting back into fashion. You know, she has two other jobs though. She has her lashes line and she's also a partner in a startup. So it's not like she's sitting around, you know, watching TV.

Kelli (10:50.818)
You

Kelli (10:56.917)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (10:57.192)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:14.583)
The next scene I really like, we get to see Uba's place. Raquel goes over to Uba's house, which we've never seen Uba's house and we keep saying that. And she also brings a beautiful orchid. I guess that's the gift you bring when you go visit someone, right?

Lori (11:28.571)
I that's a gift.

Kelli (11:28.885)
I so. Good to know. Maybe it's a new house thing. no, well we don't know if that's a new house.

We Wine Whenever (11:34.667)
it's not now maybe just a you know a good gifted when you visit

Lori (11:34.878)
No.

Kelli (11:39.073)
Right.

Lori (11:40.424)
Maybe Bravo got some discount on Orchids. Pass them around.

We Wine Whenever (11:43.585)
Hahaha!

Kelli (11:43.923)
what happened. What did what was Uber talking about when she said she has beef with America? What was she talking about?

Lori (11:49.83)
I got what she was talking about. You didn't get it? Well, she was just saying that how we were Americans, how we really take it for granted, the freedom that we have. She's like, you know, no one's asking you about your money. No one's asking to see your passport. She's probably thinking to herself, I'm not having to, you know, trek water for miles to my village. She's just saying that we should really

We Wine Whenever (11:51.682)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:55.777)
Not with America, with Americans.

Lori (12:18.682)
know how good we have it because the rest of the world does not have it as good as we have it. And that sometimes good enough has to be good enough and we should stop with all the divisiveness, I think is what she's really trying to say. And I totally got her with that one.

Kelli (12:36.033)
Okay, I read it wrong then.

Lori (12:38.218)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (12:38.231)
Yeah. So she, she invited Raquel over so she could show her some of her art. And Uba says she's been painting from her heart and she started painting in 2021. She doesn't consider herself an artist, but Raquel says, no, you are an artist. You know, your, painting is an artist. And she does ask her about the American flag. And that's when Uba does explain that, what you just said, exactly what you just said that, you know, she's wanted her entire life.

to be free and wanted this freedom and she's living this right now and Americans don't appreciate it. And that's what that flag meant to her. The gold in the stars and the black and the white and the divisiveness in this country. you know, they only see red, white and blue. don't see what she sees with it. And that was her interpretation of our American flag, which honestly I thought was beautiful. I thought it was beautiful what she said.

She immigrated from Canada when she was 15 or 16. And that's when she started modeling. This is Raquel. no, no, this is Uba. Uba, Uba. Yeah, that's when she started modeling with Richard's models. And then she came to New York City and it was very hard for Richard even to place her in New York because back then every agency only had one black model. And Raquel's like, yeah, I was that one black model.

Lori (13:46.546)
No, Uber, Uber, yeah.

Lori (14:00.362)
Isn't that crazy?

Kelli (14:04.085)
wonder who Uba was talking about though. Was it Naomi Campbell? Who did her company have?

We Wine Whenever (14:12.642)
Right, that they tried to place her with.

Lori (14:13.352)
Yeah, I don't know. But you do. Right. Wonder who it was.

Kelli (14:15.733)
Like she said, they only had one black model. I was thinking about her age. I'm like, well, no, I am Lee Campbell's I'm sure older than her. I'm like rack of my brain. I'm like, could it be?

Lori (14:24.222)
You know, I did notice that Raquel is not an armpit shaver. No, no judgment, but I was just like.

Kelli (14:32.811)
Cal... This isn't Europe, girl.

Lori (14:36.618)
Yeah, just wear a sleeved shirt. was just like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I just catch very odd things when I watch these shows. And that's one of them. There you go. Very important.

We Wine Whenever (14:36.858)
Mmm.

Kelli (14:39.617)
Yeah, just cover it up. I mean, do you, but maybe you don't flash it around. I don't know.

Kelli (14:50.889)
I did not catch that. I'm glad you did.

We Wine Whenever (14:54.862)
Yeah, no, it is important. Raquel even says that she was that one black model and she was coming in as the younger version of another one. So maybe she was coming in as the younger version of Naomi Campbell.

Kelli (15:07.829)
That's what I mean. Like I wish I knew who they were, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (15:08.924)
Yeah. Who the reference was. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:12.002)
Yeah. And then, who was telling her about how Brynn, the night before was saying you were going to be painted as an act, an angry black woman. She kind of, we, you know, we didn't really know the context of it and I don't know. Did you see what Brynn put out?

Kelli (15:29.781)
I saw it, but I was at the salon. couldn't read it. I saw she wrote, she put something up.

Lori (15:32.851)
I didn't see it. No, I didn't.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.72)
You didn't see it? I'll be honest with you. I actually screenshotted it so that I could read it because I really thought it was very interesting. Okay.

She said, I sat in shock this week as off-camera interactions in the Hamptons were conveyed without context. To see my intentions twisted and my words misrepresented flat out scares me. I am deeply sorry if I overstepped that night in the Hamptons. I am beyond sorry as this was never my intention. The episode was made to appear as though I brought up this stereotype on my own and out of nowhere, which is not

the case. The truth is, angry black woman, in quotes, was brought up by Uba last year in Anguilla in a highly charged fourth wall moment in Anguilla after the incident went with Aaron's sunglasses. Uba spoke directly into the camera. Don't you dare edit me to look like an angry black woman, in quotes. After Anguilla, Uba and I frequently discussed this harmful stereotype at length.

Kelli (16:39.999)
We Wine Whenever (16:45.464)
As a biracial woman, I will never know what it's like to fully walk in Uba's shoes. I have experienced racism from childhood to corporate America and it broke my heart to see my friend devastated by the backlash she received online. I've always offered love and support and when she asked me for advice, I gave it. For the record, it was always mutual. Uba was an incredible friend to me and always supported me through difficult experiences. I don't like that she said was.

Lori (17:14.634)
was, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:15.561)
During that off-camera night in the Hamptons, we both spoke candidly about our fears and triggers as we always had. We hugged, said we loved each other, and promised to do everything in our power to help one another. I told Uba that everything she wants for herself, I want that for her too. And she wished me the same for me. I'm not sure what shifted after that touching moment, but I deeply regret and I'm sorry if I overstepped.

Uba needed a friend to listen to the thoughts and fears which she expressed that night. She didn't need someone to repeat them back to her. I hope the powerful fourth wall moment that happened in Anguilla will well before the Hamptons will be shown at this year's reunion so that this long standing nearly two year old issue can finally be addressed openly.

A constructive conversation is much needed to clear the air and provide context and closure for everyone involved.

Lori (18:15.21)
Huh.

Kelli (18:15.965)
That's interesting. That's interesting.

Lori (18:19.037)
Well, we know how producers twist things, so who knows what's going on over there.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.176)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:22.131)
Mm-hmm and That makes total sense if she did that if uber did that then it was Brynn just like trying to be her girl and being like remember

Lori (18:33.854)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.972)
Right. And honestly, after reading that, listen, I do feel that Brynn is stirring the pot. mean, it's even, it's even, she even says it in one of her confessionals, you know, that she's got calluses on her hands from stirring the pot, right? And, Uba does have a language barrier. So, although this, this really blew up and we know that they have been now fighting for two years, almost two years about this.

Kelli (18:50.635)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:04.084)
I see it a different way and I hope that Uber does too and I hope that before the reunion, to be honest with you, they can sit down and make up. I do.

Lori (19:14.228)
That would be nice.

Kelli (19:14.719)
I still think Uba is very angry with her about mentioning a boy, a guy in Connecticut. I think that Uba can't get past that. I have a hard time getting past things myself, so I see it, but.

Lori (19:27.07)
Who knows? And who knows what's happened off camera or, you know, who, like, who knows? You you only see so much. Absolutely. And you know too, I get it that Uba gets upset when she gets interrupted because she needs to finish her train of thought and the language barrier. But I mean,

Kelli (19:33.151)
That's the problem. We only see so much and we only see what the producers want us to see. We had no idea that happened with Uber and we never would if Brandon didn't break it up.

Lori (19:55.656)
You're living in New York City. People are condescending. It's just, we're not, you know, New York, New Jersey, we're not ones to pussy foot around stuff and just, yeah, just, you know what? Sometimes you just gotta like ease up and just, I don't know.

Kelli (20:06.241)
We're not, we're not cobblers.

Kelli (20:15.338)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:16.262)
mean, listen, I think she's entitled to her opinion. I think she's entitled to feel the way she feels about it. And she feels like Britain is condescending to her, regardless of if she's from New York or not. And we know she's not from New York, and this is how she feels, and it's her friend. So I think that you need to tell your friend when you feel a certain way. Like, what you're doing is bothering me. Or they're not going to be able to fix it. Like, they're not going to be able to fix it.

Kelli (20:38.422)
Right.

Lori (20:38.494)
Right. You're right. Yep, yep, yep.

We Wine Whenever (20:43.727)
She does say that, Raquel says that Brynn was manipulating it to make it look like that. Uba felt like Brynn was being condescending and setting her up. But Uba says whatever she has, she has alone. She says her fridge is full of fish. Uba's fish is full of, there is no beef. I thought that was hysterical when she said that. She's like, I mean, she does, she really does.

Lori (21:03.018)
That was cute. Yeah, very cute. yeah.

Kelli (21:03.669)
That's pretty funny. She does come out with some good one-liners. Yeah. The pigeons. Yeah.

Lori (21:10.794)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (21:11.022)
Yeah, you pigeons. The next we see, Sy and Aunt Sophie are at the upstate New York house. She started renovating slowly and the whole family's in the yard and they go in the yard and the hole is dug there already. And they're going to put Sy's mom's ashes in there and Sy thinks that she's ready, but when it comes time to do it, she's freaking out. And I don't blame her. I don't blame her. I mean,

Thank God Aunt Sophie was there. Aunt Sophie's like, I'll do this, let me do this. And she's like, well, do I scoop it? Do it like, what do I do? Do I just stick my hand in there? And she's like, I'm just gonna stick my hand in there. And Sai's, know, grateful. Then all of a sudden her son and her London and Rio, they start crying because it's emotional. They've lost their grandmother and you know.

They've really never seen their mom, I don't think, break down about it because she's really been very close, but now that she's going to counseling, she's really feeling her feelings. And I think it's good for her kids to see that. I do, I think it's good for them to see her feeling her feelings and doing something to move forward, you know?

Lori (22:20.362)
Yep. Yeah, that was a very difficult scene for me. I was crying right along with her children. a very difficult scene.

Kelli (22:28.085)
Yeah, I'm sure.

We Wine Whenever (22:28.537)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (22:32.483)
It was, I mean, I can't even imagine having to go through that, you know, with your mother. I didn't realize until later on that it was actually a cherry blossom tree, which I was like, that's even more special. Like what a beautiful tree to, you know, commemorate your mother with. And then I also thought it was funny when Aunt Sophie was going around hugging everybody, but she still had ashes on her hands and she's like, you're wiping her all over everybody.

Lori (22:43.134)
Okay.

Kelli (22:48.49)
Yeah.

Lori (22:58.718)
Yeah, was very happy for that moment of, you know, laughter. made me stop crying for a minute. So I was like, good girl, Cy. Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (23:01.455)
Laughter.

We Wine Whenever (23:09.367)
Yeah, it was needed.

Kelli (23:09.543)
Yeah. That's how my family is when things get like too sad or serious, we just start saying funny stuff and yeah, just to break the ice. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (23:14.526)
Yeah, crack an inappropriate joke. Yeah. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (23:17.655)
No, but you need that. You need that moment of levity. I agree. I think it was the appropriate joke at the appropriate time. you know, I thought it was a very touching scene. I think that we really got to see a side of Psy that we've not seen before. And, you know, I think that's important. Next, we see Jessel, and Brin go to Alice and Olivia. And I thought they were shopping for Jessel's party, but I guess they were just shopping because they didn't buy anything there that they were at Jessel's party.

Kelli (23:25.985)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:32.798)
Agreed.

We Wine Whenever (23:48.814)
What are your thoughts, Laura?

Lori (23:50.066)
Well, I just want to know who...

Don't they have like a staff? Why is Erin coming on TV with her bra hanging out? Her bra was hanging out. She had on strapless. Because you have, don't you have like people there that are like, shouldn't there be like people making sure your bra's not hanging out and there's not dirt on your face and there's not a booger on your nose? I'm like, why are you letting the poor girl go on TV with her bra hanging

We Wine Whenever (24:01.294)
Why is that a problem?

Kelli (24:03.06)
I didn't even notice it.

Kelli (24:19.403)
Was she wearing like a strappy shirt and the bra was like

Lori (24:21.84)
It was like a, yeah, it was like, had on a strapless bra so you could see a little bit of the pad, but it's like, I mean, not that it's a big, you think so? Why? So someone like me could say, how come she had her bra on? Maybe, I don't know. I don't.

Kelli (24:27.804)
it was probably on purpose then. It was probably on purpose.

Kelli (24:35.947)
thought she was doing a thing.

But I mean, if this is now going to be a storyline that she's mad that Jenna went to lunch with Cy and hasn't called her to check on her, like, does Jenna even know what's going on in your life? That you feel the need she needs to check on you? This is the type of shit that drives me nuts.

Lori (25:01.096)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (25:09.007)
Yeah, cause this is what comes out when they're, when they're trying on clothes. So it's so funny, the thing that the things that you pick up, Laura, and the things that you pick up, Kel, and the things that I pick up. So I was like, if Jessel says, Aliyah one more time, like she kept saying, is it an Aliyah dress? Isn't it a lie? I'm like, why does she keep saying that? I guess they said that in Clueless, but you probably didn't, you, you probably didn't even pick it up, but it was annoying the crap out of me.

Kelli (25:12.63)
Yeah.

Lori (25:32.81)
I don't know.

Kelli (25:32.862)
yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so she... she...

Lori (25:36.947)
No, I didn't.

Kelli (25:38.795)
She gets, she's in the car with some guy and it's her friend and he like puts moves on her and she was like, as if, and then, you know, they have a whole conversation and he kicks her out and like she's in the valley and she gets mugged and the guy makes her lay on the ground. And she's like, this isn't a liar.

Lori (25:57.251)
okay, okay, I get it now.

We Wine Whenever (25:59.791)
I was like, if she says that one more time, I'm going to lose it. And it's so funny, like you guys didn't pick that up, but I didn't pick up the bra thing. It's funny how we watch this and we all see different things, right? And she also said about, you know, she, you know, her share was light years ahead of us. She used to have a computer that put her, her outfits together. She's like, where is that computer Apple? What? We don't need a computer to put our outfits together.

Lori (26:10.7)
different things.

Kelli (26:11.701)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (26:21.696)
Yep, she did.

Kelli (26:31.295)
Maybe that maybe Pavek

Lori (26:34.853)
Maybe.

We Wine Whenever (26:34.937)
my God, that was so funny, those AI glasses. So that's when they're sitting on the bench talking or the couch and Erin's like, I saw on Instagram that Jenna and Cy are together and that's when she's all upset that, how does she have time to go out with Cy when she hasn't even texted me to see how I'm doing? When Cy was saying all these bad things about you. Well, you don't know their journey. You don't know what their relationship is. Who are you to judge that? Like this is the stuff that gets me crazy.

Lori (27:04.603)
Well, I saw a thing with her on Entertainment Tonight, Erin. And she said that, because the guy was asking her about, like, how do you feel about, you know, airing your dirty marital laundry, you know, that you're talking about your finances and stuff. And she said, you know, she made it sound like, Abe said it was a great, it was a good idea.

And she said there are other financial decisions that he messed up besides the Bitcoin. But she's trying to spin it all as, you know, like it's just out there to help other couples.

Kelli (27:42.209)
Housewives always say that. She needed a storyline. I mean, I don't doubt that that all happened, you know, her, if, but if, if her and Abe, you know, not agreeing on finances and her being mad at Jenna for having lunch with Sy and not being a good friend is her storyline this season. I say, the ax out.

Lori (27:43.304)
Yeah. Yeah. was funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (28:06.684)
Yeah, you got some work to do. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (28:10.049)
Because I don't think she brings much to the table. Quite honestly, and somebody put it online, I don't really love any of them. I don't really love this reboot. But I'm trying to be open-minded, but I really think I'm just over the Housewives' cattiness and the nonsense. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (28:17.361)
Right. Yeah.

Lori (28:28.189)
In general. yes.

We Wine Whenever (28:33.378)
see that and I don't know where it was it may have been a podcast I was listening to and they were saying that maybe the producers are doing these things because some of the things the producers are doing are dirty and we've noted that because they don't feel like the these casts the newer cast specifically are being their authentic selves and that

Kelli (28:54.155)
And I think the producers have a lot to do with this anyway. Like, I think that they get these women on and they create them to be who they want them to be. I think the producers have way too much power on these shows.

Lori (29:07.198)
And I think at the same time, now, probably it wasn't originally, but now you have that going along side by side with the individual housewives trying to also produce themselves. So you have the producers trying to produce and then you have the housewives trying to produce. And then I guess that's why it ends up like a shit show.

Kelli (29:21.641)
Absolutely, like Heather DeBrow.

Kelli (29:30.665)
No, I totally, totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (29:33.648)
Yeah, it's not what it used to be. And we keep saying that it's not what it used to be. really agree. I agree with you. It is a little bit, it is getting to be a little bit too much. I mean, I do think that some of them are authentic and we're seeing real parts of them. And I really feel that way about Uba. I feel like what we see with Uba is real. don't think like she's, I don't think she's staging anything. I don't think anything is forced with her. If she's feeling it, she says it.

Kelli (29:38.388)
It's not.

Kelli (29:52.277)
I agree.

Lori (29:56.809)
No.

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.508)
I don't feel that about Erin. I don't feel that about Brynn. Psy, I think we are seeing more of her. I think she was just very guarded before. I don't think she was trying to be deceptive. I just think she was very guarded. I think that the more we see her, I think the more we'll get to know her.

Kelli (30:22.187)
think Sai is the type of person who if she thinks her back's up against the wall, she's gonna... Yeah, yeah. And maybe last year at some point she felt like that. Well, the whole way it started, because we didn't even know how it started because we missed three, you know, they took away three, but it was like the whole thing. It was weird. So we didn't even really know why Sai came in so hot last year, but she did. I don't know why she turned on Jessel the way she did, but that's...

Lori (30:27.69)
Yeah, the claws will come out.

Yeah, I think she's in most New York.

Right. And the cheese, whey, and the whole thing. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:39.683)
Right.

Yeah.

Lori (30:47.688)
Right. Right.

Kelli (30:51.061)
You know, they've clearly mended it and moved on. And that's what we like to see. And I, listen, I think it's great that and Jenna are having lunch together and moving forward in their friendship, because that's what we like to see too. But Erin being upset about it, it's like, grow the fuck up. Could you imagine if these women had real problems? I'd like to call one of them and tell them my problems. And be like, how are you doing now? Yeah.

Lori (31:03.017)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:03.191)
Yeah.

Lori (31:05.822)
Catty about it, yes, stop it. Yeah.

Lori (31:13.97)
Yeah. Yeah. How you doing now?

We Wine Whenever (31:17.899)
No, I hear you 100%. And I actually, think Jenna is herself too. I think we see the real Jenna Lyons and you know, that's what I think bothers the rest of the cast is that she does what she wants to do and doesn't do what she doesn't want to do, but she's being her authentic self. The fact that she didn't go to BravoCon, the fact that she didn't go to that one party because she wanted to spend time with her son that they were having last year. Jenna does what Jenna wants to do, you know? And that is...

Kelli (31:40.585)
Right. Right.

and they still wanted her back, like courted her back.

We Wine Whenever (31:47.777)
That is her authentic self. That's who she is. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. That's what I want to see. You like me for who I am or you don't like me. That's it, right? No, I don't either. No, I agree with you. And honestly, Jessel's a little bit annoying to me too, but I do feel sorry for her because I'm not really loving Pavit. I really don't love his lack of support and his head up his ass, because that's what I think is going on right now.

Kelli (31:49.921)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:53.417)
No. Right.

Lori (31:57.172)
That's it. Yeah.

Kelli (31:58.367)
Yeah, I don't get that vibe from Erin at all. Or Brynn. Or Brynn.

Lori (32:02.598)
Nah, no,

Lori (32:06.834)
Yes, she can be annoying.

Kelli (32:17.269)
Just the fact that she was like, in the beginning, she was telling him everything she had to do for the party, and he's like, so what do need me to do? She just named like five things that she has to do. Why don't you just say to her like, hey, how about I do this? And then that's one less thing you have to do. But you know what? Most men wouldn't do that.

Lori (32:35.754)
No. And I keep meaning to mention this, size confessional with that gold breastplate thing. I can't with that. you do? my God. I hate it.

Kelli (32:37.739)
They really wouldn't.

We Wine Whenever (32:48.163)
I love it. I love it.

Kelli (32:49.195)
So she knew three people that were wearing something like that. And I know Teresa Giudice was another one. And then there was a third housewife that was wearing something similar. They were all wearing them. And I thought they were pretty cool. She and Teresa may have been wearing the identical ones. And then the third person was wearing something different. But I thought it was pretty cool. Probably because I could never wear something like that.

Lori (33:02.506)
no, I don't like it.

We Wine Whenever (33:03.027)
it I love it not everyone

Lori (33:08.659)
No.

We Wine Whenever (33:12.205)
I do too.

Lori (33:12.242)
No, I don't like it.

We Wine Whenever (33:15.947)
I just going to say not everyone can pull that off, but Sai can. I love it. I love it. love.

Kelli (33:18.271)
Yeah, yeah, and and Teresa looked like they all looked great in what they were wearing. Yeah

We Wine Whenever (33:23.532)
Yeah.

Lori (33:25.267)
Interesting.

We Wine Whenever (33:26.527)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:27.625)
Not a fan,

Lori (33:28.426)
Out of it.

mean alike.

We Wine Whenever (33:32.127)
All right, so what happens next? So then we see

Kelli (33:37.243)
they get to the party and Jenna is Mel. So Mel is Cher in the movie, Alicia Silverstone's father, and he's Italian, obviously, and he's a lawyer and he's like a bulldog. And so some some kid comes to pick her up on a date and he says, I have a I don't know what the gun is a 32. Is that a gun? I'm not up on my guns. I have a 32 and a shovel and I doubt very much that anybody would miss you.

Lori (33:59.314)
I so, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:05.417)
I don't think there's a 32.

Lori (34:07.114)
Maybe it's a 38, probably a 38.

Kelli (34:07.337)
Yeah, whatever it is. I'm not a gun person. So yeah, I got I got a gun and a shovel and I doubt very much that anybody would miss you. So that's what she kept saying, Jenna. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:09.023)
Revolver 40. I don't know. Right.

Lori (34:14.45)
And we're gonna miss you. I like that.

We Wine Whenever (34:18.591)
I like that she, listen, I love that she went there in character and she stayed in character the entire time because she serves Jessel with being sued by JFL for defamation of Christmas. JFL, Jen of Fucking Lions. Love that, love that. And then Erin and Abe show up and she's also dressed as Cher, a different version of Cher.

Kelli (34:24.821)
Yup.

Kelli (34:31.157)
Yeah.

Lori (34:33.898)
All

Kelli (34:42.921)
Actually, Erin's outfit was the Erin and Psy looked the best. Erin, that was like the outfit that she had to wear when she went to take her driver's test. it was like, you know, it was a good part of the movie for her to choose. I loved that outfit.

We Wine Whenever (34:49.609)
Real.

Yeah.

Lori (35:00.158)
I didn't like Jessel's outfit. I didn't like any of her outfits, be honest.

Kelli (35:02.017)
Neither! I didn't like them, I didn't think any one of were clueless.

We Wine Whenever (35:06.589)
Yeah, that's what they said. None of her outfits were actually from Clueless. So the Jenna says, Ms. Leachie, you have been served with destruction of property for the Pavlova. Again, she's staying in her character. then Brynn walks in with the, Brynn looked good with the plaid skirt and jacket and the hat.

Lori (35:09.395)
I don't like any of them.

Kelli (35:09.568)
No.

Kelli (35:29.365)
Yeah, like that's like iconic from the movie.

We Wine Whenever (35:31.229)
and the red phone. loved that they had those old phones. my God. Like where did they find them? And then Jenna hands her a JFL intends to file a lawsuit against you for indecent exposure. Jenna Brin says, what's my penalty? Start an OnlyFans account with private access code for Jenna. So she was like, yes. She loves flirting with Jenna. She loves flirting. She just flirts with anybody.

Kelli (35:34.677)
I know! I don't know!

Kelli (35:53.151)
And of course Brynn was like on it.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:59.305)
to be honest with you, flirting is her thing. And then Rebecca shows up in all black and Jessel says in her confessional, Rebecca's going to a funeral, she's not going to Cher's birthday party.

Kelli (36:09.585)
Yeah, she did not understand the assignment.

Lori (36:10.952)
Yeah, was not a good look. No, she did not get the assignment.

Kelli (36:16.469)
No.

We Wine Whenever (36:18.237)
All right, I'm not really loving Rebecca, but we really haven't gotten to know her yet, but I don't like what I've seen.

Kelli (36:23.563)
Well, I don't think we're going to because she was demoted to a friend of this season. I don't think they're bringing her back. But why does Brynn keep telling her to drink? Like, I mean, I don't know. I know she's a Scientologist. Do they drink? I didn't think they did.

Lori (36:31.082)
It's so annoying.

We Wine Whenever (36:35.263)
She apparently drinks, because Brandy's friends with her and I'm sure she's been out drinking with her before.

Kelli (36:40.945)
okay, so that's why Brynn keeps pushing it. Okay, I didn't realize that they were friends. did Brynn, so I guess she came on as Brynn's friend? Okay, I didn't realize that.

We Wine Whenever (36:42.865)
Yes, yes.

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Lori (36:50.442)
And I have the whole I have the whole lowdown on her father anytime you guys wanna Okay, you ready?

We Wine Whenever (36:56.189)
Let's hear it. This is the perfect time because really we don't talk about her the rest of the show because she really had an inconsequential part.

Kelli (36:57.173)
Do it, yeah. Yeah.

Lori (37:03.242)
Okey dokey. All right. Here it is. So, Rebecca Minkoff is married to actor and director Gavin Ballor. He's done campaigns for Rag and Bone and Under Armour. She married in 2009 after a long distance dating and three failed proposals. I don't know who it was that said no.

Kelli (37:03.284)
Right.

Lori (37:30.258)
or if it was same person that said no each time, I'm not sure, she has four kids. And she grew up in a Scientology household in Clearwater, Florida. So her dad is Dr. David Minkoff, he's an MD, and he's co-founder of an alternative medicine clinic called LifeWorks. So I looked it up, appears to still be in business. So he's had issues with two...

Kelli (37:30.698)
interesting.

Lori (37:59.358)
former patients, which being in business for as long as he's been in business is really not that bad.

Kelli (38:06.453)
Where he has what with two former patients? Legal issues.

Lori (38:08.638)
There's issues, like legal issues. He's just an MD. yes, but he has this alternative medicine clinic and it's called LifeWorks. So he proposes himself to be this big expert on Lyme's disease. So he's all about alternative care, not yes, which I don't have a problem with.

We Wine Whenever (38:10.047)
What kind of doctor is he? Just a general practitioner?

Kelli (38:15.263)
a holistic

Kelli (38:33.215)
Like holistic, got it. No, not at all.

Lori (38:37.382)
Something I'd like to explore more in my own life. But okay, so the first patient that there's an issue with, Lisa McPeerson, 1995. So this is a long time ago. Okay, so she was a Scientologist. She had a minor traffic accident and then she was taken to the hospital for psychiatric evaluation. She signed out against the medical advice after the arrival of several Scientologists.

later she had like a psychotic breakdown. So according to her family, she was held against her will at a Scientology owned hotel in Clearwater for 17 days where she was treated by members slash staff of the LifeWorks clinic. And so she started having, you know, her psychotic episodes were getting worse and this, the staff

called Dr. Minkoff and Dr. Minkoff advised them to take her to a local ER that was very close. But instead the staff decided to take her like 25 miles further to hospital where Minkoff was working and was staffed. And by the time they got there, she was pronounced dead by Minkoff. Yeah. So her death prompted charges against the church.

Kelli (39:57.841)
What?

Lori (40:02.762)
which were dropped after the medical examiner changed the cause of death from undetermined to accidental, but only after the church hired its own experts. So Minkoff was fined $10,000 and his Florida medical license was suspended for a year. And the suspension stemmed from the fact that he had given prescriptions to McPeerson for Valium.

and chlorohydrate, which is a sleep sedative, without physically seeing her. He also paid out a $100,000 wrongful death settlement. Then there's Whitney Mills. She died by suicide in 2022, and this case is still ongoing. So the mother is accusing him of misdiagnosing her daughter with terminal cancer and other ailments.

instead of providing her with psychiatric care, which the Church of Scientology opposes. So according to this lawsuit, Mills paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Church of Scientology for coursework. You know, they have you trained to become all these different levels when you're in Scientology. So she achieved, yes, so she achieved its highest level, which is called an OT8.

Kelli (41:22.175)
and you have to pay to do that.

Lori (41:30.854)
And it's so an OT stands for Operating Theon, T-H-E-T-A-N, which is defined by Scientology as a spiritual being with a knowing and willing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time.

Kelli (41:50.913)
so you become a higher power.

Lori (41:52.52)
Yes. So when, and then when this Whitney Mills specifically asked for mental health treatment in text messages to Minkoff, it's alleged that he told her to do some Scientology training drills. So the woman's family states that Minkoff misdiagnosed her with Lyme disease and a cancerous ovarian cyst while ignoring her mental health crisis.

So exacerbated by this terminal cancer diagnosis, her mental health spiraled. So he had told her it was terminal. So they also claimed that he treated her for limes and a parasitic infection, which neither one of which she had. Her three month treatment was close to $40,000. And then autopsy revealed that her cyst was not cancerous.

and no biopsy was ever performed as Minkoff and other Scientologists urged her not to go under general anesthesia, which they don't believe in. there.

Kelli (42:57.569)
They don't, I told you, John Travolta's wife passed away and she had breast cancer. I have to believe that if she were treated, it would have at least.

Lori (43:10.826)
there's a possibility that it could have done something to save her life. But I was just bringing it up because it's very interesting to me that she would choose to go on a national television show right after something like that happened with her dad. It's kind of like, yes, right, then you could see. So that's why I wanted to bring it up, because I was like,

Kelli (43:25.345)
with these.

especially if it's ongoing, like if it was just the 1995 one, it's like, okay, you know.

And I don't think it's like acceptable if you're in the Scientology church. Like if somebody, if I was going to a doctor and they told me something and I, know, physically was wrong with me and my mental health was suffering from it, I would go see a therapist and talk and, know, but I don't think that's acceptable in the Church of Scientology.

Lori (43:56.426)
No, psychiatry is not seen as an acceptable form of medical help. Yeah. So I don't know. I just thought it was interesting.

Kelli (44:05.537)
treatment. Yeah. Interesting. That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (44:09.91)
That is interesting. Thank you for that information, Laura.

Lori (44:14.246)
Certainly. Certainly.

Kelli (44:14.406)
Good digging, Laura. Good digging.

You bring the facts.

Lori (44:20.276)
Try it.

We Wine Whenever (44:25.664)
So what happens next? then, Psy walks in after she's dressed as Psy and after Raquel arrives all in black, Psy is dressed as Dion and Psy goes up to Erin and sits down and Psy asks, who's Jenna on the phone with? But she was really not really on the phone. It was like all fake, but I guess she didn't realize that at that point. I know.

Kelli (44:46.334)
Yeah.

Lori (44:47.185)
She didn't put that phone down.

Kelli (44:49.131)
Should see the Zach phone from Saved by the Bell.

We Wine Whenever (44:54.543)
So then the two of them are sitting there talking and Aaron's sighs like, you know, what is with you and with you two, know, you and Jenna. Aaron says, well, I just realized that she's not my friend. She says her friendships. She says that meaning herself, her friendships are authentic and she doesn't feel like Jenna's being authentic to her. In her confessional, she said, my kids drive me crazy. Then my mom's getting sick.

I'm not being able to rely on Abe. It really messed with my head. This is when I really need my friends around me to support me. This is what she's saying. Right, right. That's what I'm saying. Like how, like why are you putting this on Jenna? You're saying this in your confessional. Did you ever have this conversation with her?

Kelli (45:31.211)
But did Jenna know all of this was going on?

Kelli (45:37.652)
Exactly.

Kelli (45:41.985)
It's just so weird and then she's going around the party telling everybody else Jenna's right there

We Wine Whenever (45:48.3)
Right, exactly, exactly. And then Uwe, then Uwe walks up and she's like, what about Jenna? And she's like, Erin says she has no clue. Erin doesn't feel like, you know, it's reciprocated. So Brynn tells Jenna what Erin said about her being close with Cy. So Brynn once again is giving Rebecca hard time about not drinking. And then like they're sitting together on the couch, but

Kelli (45:50.899)
It was that so weird.

We Wine Whenever (46:20.158)
Abe is now, everybody, right. And then Abe is talking to Jenna and Abe says to Jenna, I feel like you and Erin have this unresolved tension. And I was like, no, Abe's in trouble. Like, what was he doing?

Kelli (46:20.449)
You're like, Erin's telling everybody on the couch.

Kelli (46:33.737)
Jenna's like what? And he's like maybe I shouldn't have said anything. I shouldn't have said anything. He's like shit man. I'm in enough trouble with her already.

We Wine Whenever (46:37.635)
Shit. Right. So then she goes over to the couch and she sits next to Uba and Uba's like, you know, you should, you know, I'm going to move so you can sit next to her, meaning Aaron. And Raquel's sitting there the whole time. Raquel says, you know, you can't have a friendship with someone and have a problem with them and not discuss it with them, which is exactly what we're saying. Which is what. Right. Which is really what Uba does. Like if Uba has a problem with.

Lori (46:38.844)
Enough of already.

Kelli (47:01.505)
She's right there!

We Wine Whenever (47:06.016)
the way she's being treated, she tells you. Like if you have a friend and you don't like the way they're treating you, unless you tell them, they are not going to know. They cannot make changes to it. So Jenna says to Erin, are you okay? And she's like, I'm perfectly fine. Erin says, just feel differently about us being friends. And Jenna says, what does that mean? And Erin says, I don't really want to be close to you, which is a very strange thing to say to someone. She said, it was a rough year. I'm having an emotional breakdown. Erin feels like,

Kelli (47:14.003)
Exactly. Right.

Kelli (47:29.953)
Totally strange.

We Wine Whenever (47:35.359)
Brynn intentionally tried to break us up and that's when she brings it out. It really, in my opinion, was she was jealous of Brynn. Listen, I do think that Brynn was stirring the pot. 100 % I think Brynn was stirring the pot. But if you were having a problem with the whole situation, the person you needed to talk to about it was Jenna. That's who you need to talk to about it.

Kelli (47:52.713)
I was so confused. I think that Erin's the type of person that when confronted, she's going to talk in a circle. Like she's not a confrontational person. She's going to go run her mouth and talk shit about Jenna. But then when Jenna confronts her, she's going to be like, really? I'm mad at Bren. Like I was very confused after she talked to her. was like, who are you? So, wait a minute. Who are you mad at now? Jenna or Brent? By the way, you shouldn't really be mad at any of any of them. Well, I guess Bren maybe a little bit because she's still in the pot, but

Lori (48:10.578)
Right.

Kelli (48:23.342)
None of it made sense. I really think that she's just an attention whore at this point and wanted the camera on her at Jessel's party.

We Wine Whenever (48:31.082)
Yeah, no, I mean, that could be it. I mean, and then all of a sudden, like, you know, she starts to like break down. She says that, you know, she's a cancer and you know, she has a really hard exterior shell and she's soft on the inside. And then Raquel's like, I'm a cancer too. I'm like, okay. So then Jenna's like, okay, you guys can be friends. I mean, I like Raquel, but like, why is she dumping in there? It was, that was a little awkward in my opinion.

Kelli (48:53.182)
Yeah, yeah. Stay in your lane.

Lori (48:53.278)
Well, you know, trying to get a moment.

We Wine Whenever (48:59.53)
So Jenna says, perfect, you guys can, okay. So Jenna says, I'm sorry, and she's not like, listen, she apologizes even in her confessional. She's like, I'm not a good communicator. If you needed something for me and you don't think I'm being a good friend, you have to just let me know and then I can make adjustments. But if I don't know, how can I make changes? I can't change.

Kelli (49:14.091)
Right.

Lori (49:14.986)
Okay, it's not strange. Yeah. I just sat there and thought Jenna must be thinking to herself, is why I don't have friends. Like, this is too much work. Like, this is just, yeah, this is just like too much girl drama.

Kelli (49:16.544)
Right.

Kelli (49:22.953)
Yeah, like here we fucking go. This is why I wasn't gonna come back.

Kelli (49:30.561)
So stupid.

We Wine Whenever (49:33.738)
And listen.

Kelli (49:33.835)
How about the guy who said to Povit, so how do you know Jessel? And he said I'm her husband. And he was like, really? Who is this guy and how does he know Jessel that he doesn't know Povit is Jessel's husband? Because if you're friends with her, aren't you on her social media? And wouldn't you see her with him on her social media?

Lori (49:37.204)
That was great. What?

Lori (49:45.704)
Right, there's a question.

Lori (49:51.304)
Yeah, I thought that too. Like, so who the fuck are you that you don't even know this information? Why are you here? Yeah.

Kelli (49:55.615)
Yeah, like maybe you never met him before, but wouldn't you recognize him?

We Wine Whenever (49:55.825)
and

Right. Yeah, that is, that was a good question. I totally agree with that. And even in Jenna's confessional, she admits that she has a hard time reaching out to people and she's like, I guess I'm just not being a good friend. But in the end, really think that they, I think that they made up and I think it's going to be okay. we, Jenna did say she's on the spectrum, right? Didn't she say that? She found out that.

Kelli (50:03.166)
No.

Kelli (50:20.47)
I thought just her mom was. Did she say it?

We Wine Whenever (50:22.844)
But she didn't. So she said her mom was on the spectrum, but didn't she say that like she kind of felt that she had kind of those like she never grew up with communicating like because her mom was on the spectrum.

Kelli (50:34.847)
Well...

Lori (50:35.334)
Right, Yeah.

Kelli (50:37.419)
She probably mirrors a lot of the same behaviors just because of being brought up in a house like that. Yeah, yeah. I don't remember saying it, I believe you, but probably that.

We Wine Whenever (50:40.612)
Right. How she grew up. Right. Right. So, yeah. Yeah, but no, maybe she didn't. Maybe I'm confusing it with what you just said, because I know that she said that, like, she didn't grow up with the kind of communication and she's not used to, like, talking about feelings and, you know, because she never had that. And Erin should be sensitive to that, because if Erin's her friend, you know, listen, friendship goes both ways. You know, you can't just expect someone to be there for you, but then you don't

Kelli (51:00.799)
Right.

Kelli (51:06.891)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (51:10.462)
You're not there for them and you don't know what's going on in their life. It goes both ways.

Lori (51:14.398)
Yeah, well, you know, it is all about Erin, This is of no surprise. Of no surprise.

Kelli (51:18.734)
That's what I mean. She's like, you know, she's getting that, you know, I want to be the standout in this group. I hate that. Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (51:18.792)
Yeah.

Lori (51:28.108)
Mm-hmm. Pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me.

We Wine Whenever (51:29.042)
Yes.

Yes. And then we see that Brynn is going to leave to go get her spray tan. That was rude. It was weird. Before the cake.

Kelli (51:38.837)
That was weird. Very rude.

Lori (51:39.562)
It was rude.

Very rude. Rude and weird.

Kelli (51:45.003)
She has no problem with Jessel, so why would you do that?

We Wine Whenever (51:48.306)
Right. Before the cake. You don't leave before the cake at a birthday party. Everyone knows that. You can leave early, but not before the cake.

Lori (51:51.172)
No, right. Not for the cake. No. And you know, she's so busy saying everybody else is miserable. I think she's pretty miserable. think she's a very...

We Wine Whenever (51:56.862)
So she leaves.

Kelli (52:08.01)
lonely.

Lori (52:08.07)
Very lonely, very jealous, very... She needs to get like the two-for-one deal with Sai on the therapy. She needs to go because it's sad. Yeah, it's just, I just find her, I find her very sad. And I think a lot of her lashing out comes from that place.

Kelli (52:17.791)
Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. think, yeah, she doesn't even have family around her, you know, so that's hard. Yeah.

Kelli (52:33.449)
Yeah, I agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (52:33.642)
that she's attention seeking. Yeah, I agree with that. And that's pretty much the party. I Jessel comes out with her last outfit, her red dress, again, not, I mean, not great. No, I mean, her.

Lori (52:36.362)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Kelli (52:37.782)
Yeah.

Lori (52:45.396)
Horrible.

Kelli (52:46.313)
No reference to Clueless whatsoever. The other girls did much, much better. Brynn, Sy, and Erin. well, and Jenna really nailed it. That was awesome. Her being Mel.

Lori (52:56.456)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (52:56.53)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's it for New York. Until next time, thank you for watching. Please like us, give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (53:03.509)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (53:10.389)
Bye.

Lori (53:10.91)
Bye.