RHOA- Coyote Ugly-Whisky & Cowboys

RHOA- Coyote Ugly-Whisky & Cowboys

Summary

In this episode of 'We Why Whenever', Wendy and Kelli discuss the eighth episode of 'Real Housewives of Atlanta' Season 16. They explore the humor and relationships of Shemeah, the emotional moments surrounding loyalty and domestic violence, and the dynamics of the group as tensions rise during a cowboy dinner. The conversation delves into misunderstandings, Portia's conflicted feelings, and Angela's reaction to being recorded, highlighting the complexities of friendship and loyalty within the group. In this episode, Kelli and Wendy delve into the latest drama surrounding reality TV reunions, focusing on the dynamics of relationships, the impact of misinformation on social media, and the importance of girl code. They discuss the ambitions of cast members, the complexities of friendships, and the evolving nature of reality TV narratives. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by individuals in the spotlight and the expectations placed upon them by fans and fellow cast members alike.

Takeaways

The humor of Shemeah adds a light-hearted touch to the drama.
Loyalty among friends is a recurring theme in the episode.
Emotional moments reveal deeper issues, such as domestic violence.
Group dynamics shift with the arrival of new members.
The contrast between bartending and whiskey tasting highlights different approaches to fun.
Misunderstandings can escalate tensions within the group.
Portia's conflicting feelings create awkward moments.
Angela's recording of the group raises ethical questions.
The aftermath of the cowboy dinner sets the stage for future conflicts.
The episode showcases the complexities of friendship and loyalty.  Andy gave a typical response, focusing on the current season.
There's a noticeable decline in support for certain cast members.
Misinformation is rampant on social media regarding reality TV.
Success in relationships can vary based on ambition and drive.
Girl code is being tested in current relationship dynamics.
Reunion seating arrangements can indicate underlying tensions.
Past relationships continue to influence current dynamics.
Friendship advice is often selective and inconsistent.
Reality TV narratives can be manipulated by producers.
The after show provides deeper insights into cast dynamics.

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.41)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season 16, Episode Number 8, Boots on the Ground.

Kelli (00:03.904)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:14.464)
I can't believe it's been, I know, I feel like I say this every week no matter what show we're watching, but I can't believe it's episode eight already. Like I feel like Atlanta just started.

Wendy (00:20.192)
I know. I know, I do too. So we start out, I thought this was kind of cute, we start out with Shemeah is like singing this country song that she made up about Portia's birthday and Drew sucking lollipops and the arguments between the girls.

Kelli (00:35.231)
Yeah.

I really love Shemeah. I don't think we knew how funny Shemeah really was until this season.

Wendy (00:45.866)
I really love Shemeah as well. I do.

Kelli (00:47.954)
And it makes sense because all of them like Shemia. Like, I don't think she has a problem with anybody. You would know better because I stopped watching for a couple of seasons, but maybe it was just because they were both friends. I feel like Marlo might have.

Wendy (01:02.958)
I mean, I don't remember her specifically having a problem with Shemeah. I don't know.

Kelli (01:06.662)
Yeah, but everybody likes her and for good reason. She's really funny. Like I would love to hang out with her. Especially after watching the bartending trip.

Wendy (01:10.816)
Yes, I really, yes, I love Shemeh. gosh, that was so funny. So it's Nashville day two and Britt is talking to Mike on FaceTime and she's saying how Angela like rubbed her the wrong way. Specifically, she was referring to the brunch, how she was supporting, she felt like she was supporting Kenya.

Kelli (01:20.264)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:39.412)
Why? Because she said in whatever, however she worded it, like she questioned her and she called her out because it was because she was lying about her license.

Wendy (01:44.364)
Because she questioned her, basically. That's what happened. Right. And then she didn't like the way that she was advocating for Drew to come on the trip. know, Portia is, we see the next morning, we see Portia's in her room snoring still. And Angela's pouring champagne for making mimosas. Then we see Shemeah's on the phone with Shiloh's doctor and her husband.

like through FaceTime, and her daughter has been sick for two weeks and the doctor says she has an ear infection and you know, they're gonna get an antibiotic and then Shemeir really gets very emotional and you know, she starts crying. She's like, listen, my husband really wants a son and he is such a good dad. And you could see he's such a good dad. Yes, yes, Gerald, yes. He really is.

Kelli (02:15.999)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:34.762)
He is solid. Gerald, is that his name? He is solid, man. She's lucky. She got lucky. Well, I shouldn't say that. I'm sure she's just as equally as a good wife as he is a good husband, but they seem solid together. I like them.

Wendy (02:46.606)
Yeah.

Yeah, so she says, you know, she's going to do everything she can and if it's God's plan, then, you know, it'll happen. Then we see Angela's talking to Cynthia and is saying that her loyalty is to Drew, Angela's loyalty.

Kelli (02:56.511)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:04.512)
I mean, I wonder why? Did they have an established friendship prior to this season? They must have.

Wendy (03:09.262)
I think they did. I think because they did say in the very beginning they were both from Chicago. So I, yeah, think that they did. And I feel like she, listen, I feel like she is a loyal friend and I kind of like that because we don't see that. And we certainly, I think we're going to find out. We're not going to see that with Portia and Shemeah because, know, yeah. I mean, I really appreciate a loyal friend. I really do. I do.

Kelli (03:15.85)
Chicago, yeah. Chai ten.

No.

Kelli (03:31.422)
I know. Something happens.

Kelli (03:38.208)
Sure, sure.

Wendy (03:40.11)
And even Cynthia, you know, Cynthia is the voice of reason. You know, she listens to all the ladies, but she tells you her opinion, you know? And I like that. I really like that, you know, one, she knows them, two, she's been around a long time. And the other thing is, listen, she doesn't really have, you know, a reason to fight with these ladies, right? Like this is, she's, exactly, exactly.

Kelli (04:03.112)
No, she's a friend of, she can come and go as she pleases. She doesn't have to have a storyline, she's not trying to get her peach back. She's very happy where she is. Yeah, it's a good place to be.

Wendy (04:11.372)
Right, exactly, exactly. It is a good place to be. It really is, it really is. Then Drew shows up and she sees her bunk bedroom and she's not too happy about that, but whatever.

Kelli (04:18.922)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:27.53)
Well, she should see how the other ones are living in Camp Portia.

Wendy (04:30.644)
I know, I don't think that that's any better to be honest with you.

Kelli (04:35.088)
I would take the bunk beds to myself than sleeping in a row room with six other girls.

Wendy (04:38.804)
Meet.

Wendy (04:42.414)
And then we find out that they're not even sleeping in their own beds, they're sleeping together anyway sharing the damn bed. I hear you, I hear you.

Kelli (04:47.796)
I never understood that. Like, listen, I am forced to share a bed right now. When that is no longer a thing, I'm sleeping. So as a matter of fact, once one of my kids moves out, I'm making a closet slash office for myself. And there will be some kind of sleeping apparatus in there.

Wendy (05:08.301)
That's a good thing, yeah, I get it, I get it. It's nothing like a, right.

Kelli (05:10.974)
Yeah, and I love my husband, but I want to sleep alone.

Wendy (05:15.566)
So when Drew shows up, Angela suggests that, you know, Drew speaks to Portia and to kind of get the heat off of her, which I understand. Like she was taking it for her, even though she did invite her and whatever. Now that Drew's there, she's like, listen, just go talk to her.

Kelli (05:18.784)
You

Kelli (05:37.856)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:40.75)
Portia's up and she's talking about how they're going whiskey tasting or bartending, and Drew sees Portia right away, gives her a hug and wishes her a happy birthday, which I was like, okay, it's gonna go well. I really thought at this point we were gonna do, you know, it was gonna go well. Then we see they're all on the bus going to where they're going and Shemeah starts crying.

Kelli (06:06.656)
You're like out of nowhere, right? I'm like, did I miss something? I had to like rewind.

Wendy (06:08.202)
out of nowhere.

Yeah. I thought, first I thought it was about like her daughter, you know, because we, you know, we just saw that I thought something had happened with her daughter. Yeah. So no, we find out that she was married for one year in 2005. And, you know, she was a domestic violence survivor. Like she left the marriage and she got divorced. And then they show the clip where she talked about it on Kenya's PSA and it's

Kelli (06:19.624)
Yes. Yes. Cause she got emotional on the call.

Kelli (06:33.278)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:41.014)
I remember her doing the PSA and I remember Cynthia's mother talking, but I did not remember Shemeah talking until they played it.

Kelli (06:49.364)
Yeah, I just got the chills because I remember them filming that, the PSA and Cynthia's mom, you know, telling her story.

Wendy (06:51.008)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (06:57.408)
Yeah, and she said that this woman, you know, who she knew, she tried to explain to her what happened and the woman just like stopped talking to her and she didn't want to hear what she had to say. And then all of a sudden she gets a text from her out of the blue.

Kelli (07:13.844)
I wonder what prompted that. Yeah. I wonder what prompted that.

Wendy (07:15.79)
That's so weird, right?

I don't know, I don't know, but as soon as she got the text, it brought her back to that place and she felt like, okay, my feelings are validated and I get why she was emotional. It totally makes sense, but it's just so weird that out of the blue, I mean, 20 years later, like this.

Kelli (07:40.574)
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I'm sure it was nice. mean, just to hear her say like, when he did that to her in that, I'm sure it was more than one time, but the specific episode that she discussed when she was popped out of her shoes, she, you know, everybody was staring at her. was humiliating. Like, I get it. I get it. So that validation of somebody actually acknowledging it.

Wendy (07:49.823)
yeah. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (07:59.532)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (08:09.08)
Yeah. Even if it is 20 years later, right? Yeah. So then group one was the Coyote Ugly Bar and that was poor Shemeah and Kelly. And they start out on the bar, on their knees, doing shots with no hands.

Kelli (08:11.74)
Absolutely. It's never too late, right?

Kelli (08:30.024)
So I don't know if this was a thing when you turned 21, but this was a thing when I turned 21. Like you had to do a shot like that. And of course the shot was called a blowjob and it was, I forget, Kahlua and then of course whipped cream. So I went out with my friends and I couldn't do it. I couldn't do the shot without using my hands.

Wendy (08:49.646)
Were your knees on the bar though or were No, right. That's on a, yeah, that was the thing that really got me. was like, how the hell are they up on that bar? I mean, it does.

Kelli (08:51.078)
No, I'm not that nimble.

Kelli (08:56.512)
That's not how we roll here in Brick, New Jersey.

Kelli (09:06.4)
It's gotta be a big bar.

Eventually, I will say, I did figure it out how to do the shot without using my hands, but there was no whipped cream involved. It's the whipped cream that jams you up with those blowjob shots. But yeah, no, I never got on the bar on my knees.

Wendy (09:25.166)
Yeah, I mean, when I was 21, we were not doing those. I mean, I've heard of the blow job shot. I've probably, I don't know. I mean, I think I have done it, but I doubt I've done it without my hands. I don't think I could. I'll be quite honest. I don't think I could. Listen, I don't like to spill. I don't like to dribble. It would be a mess. I think they will have clear.

Kelli (09:40.768)
It's not easy. It's not easy.

Kelli (09:46.346)
I know.

Yeah, it is. It is a mess.

Wendy (09:53.28)
liquor in theirs, which was good. And there was no whipped cream involved. And listen, I think that these are seasoned pros, these ladies. think so. think so. Yes. So good for them. Good for them.

Kelli (09:54.335)
Yes.

Kelli (10:01.224)
mean, clearly they've done some shots and they've done things without their hands.

Yes, and they were clearly the more fun group.

Wendy (10:13.486)
Oh yes, yes. would have, listen, if I had the choice, I would have went with them and I definitely would have learned how to be a bartender as opposed to whiskey tasting, because I really don't like whiskey. I don't care to learn about whiskey. I, I, no.

Kelli (10:18.823)
Absolutely.

Kelli (10:28.392)
Now, they had more fun.

Wendy (10:30.03)
Yeah, so then the second group was Cynthia, Drew, Britt, and Angela. And they're sipping their whiskey. And they didn't like it either. It didn't seem like any of them liked it. Drew suggests bringing a bottle of whiskey with a picture of all the girls back to Portia for her birthday. And the ladies are like, okay, that's a good idea.

Kelli (10:40.916)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (10:52.277)
Mm.

Wendy (10:54.094)
Angela says that they missed Drew last night and the ladies that are there agree, but Rit says, you you're playing the victim to Angela. You invited, right, you invited Drew without Portia's permission because, you know, they gave her heat about it the night before. And Angela kept saying like,

Kelli (11:11.571)
right.

Wendy (11:23.18)
She didn't exactly say she wasn't invited. She said, the people in the call are invited and Angela said, well, I'm going to invite Drew. And then she ended the call. She's like, I can't hear you. So she is right in that respect. It is semantics. It is semantics.

Kelli (11:39.168)
I mean, it's semantics, but yeah, Portia never came out and said, no, I do not want Drew there. She never said it.

Wendy (11:47.254)
Right. And she keeps saying, she keeps saying, I'm gonna rise above it. I'm gonna rise above it. But she's not, right. She's not rising above it.

Kelli (11:53.994)
Well, that's what I have written down. Like can Portia make up her mind? She just said she's cool with her being there. And then all of a sudden she's talking shit about her again, but she's only talking shit about her. Well, no, she does talk shit about her with Shemeah and Kelly, but Portia in her confessionals tries to be such a hard ass, right? And then nothing, nothing to her face.

Wendy (12:18.784)
Right, yes, yes, yes. Exactly, and even when this comes up, Cynthia's like, listen.

Wendy (12:30.21)
Because then Angela says, Britt says to her, like, you're playing victim. And then it goes back to, again, what happened between Britt and Angela at the brunch, because Angela questioned her about what she was saying about the license, right? And Cynthia's like, listen, you can't tell this woman how to show up and behave unless she went through with what she went through. And that I 100 % agree with.

Kelli (12:49.61)
Right, right.

Kelli (12:59.072)
Totally.

Wendy (12:59.712)
It's not that she was telling her how to behave. She was just saying like, listen, we can still, cause you know, Drew even jumped, like we can still be friends with Kenya and still listen to your side of the story. Like we don't have to ostracize her.

Because we've known her for how long, right? Like, we can have both, both can exist. Like, we can support you and not hate her. I mean...

Kelli (13:18.325)
Right.

Kelli (13:27.23)
And the thing with Britt was, it was only when Angela said, how so? How did you lose your lit? She got nasty. She got nasty. Like read the motherfucking room. Like first of all, what does that even mean? That's so not like the appropriate, you know, reference here. Exactly, exactly. We're not in a room.

Wendy (13:32.993)
Exactly.

Wendy (13:36.63)
Right, exactly, exactly, right.

Wendy (13:43.308)
Yes. Yes. Right.

No, and by the way, you're outside. There's no room. Right? There is no room.

Kelli (13:55.424)
So there's that. But yet she was just so hot. She came in so hot with that.

Wendy (14:03.48)
She did, but I felt like at that whiskey tasting with Drew and Cynthia and Britt and Angela, I felt like they all came to an agreement that they were gonna move forward. Like Angela and Britt were gonna be okay. And I said, okay, that's good, right? Right, and I felt, right. And then they get back to the house and all the groups get back to the house and they have two hours before the cowboy dinner. Because Portia has set up this cowboy dinner. She's got the chef coming over. She's got the cowboy bartenders.

Kelli (14:12.392)
Yes. Yes. Right. At least we're not out of the way.

Wendy (14:33.774)
But all the ladies are drunk at this point because they've all been drinking, right? Yes. Yeah, no, and there's nothing wrong with that, but you know that this is a recipe for disaster, right? It's just a recipe for disaster. So the two hot cowboy bartenders are there. Portia just got off the phone with Dennis and PJ, and after she, well, we find this out later, but.

Kelli (14:39.968)
Heavy. And you're on vacation, you should be.

Wendy (15:03.988)
We saw the phone call with Dennis and PJ and everything's good. And then all of a sudden she comes down even because she had said many times in the episode that she was fine with Drew. And then all of a sudden, like the Cowboys are teaching them how to dance and then they're back at the table and Portia sitting at the table and all the ladies are like, what's wrong? Like something is wrong. Like they could see her.

energy and her vibe was off and she's just like, yeah. And you could see it. It was obvious. And even I was like, what is going on? Right. And she's like, I'm just tired. Tired.

Kelli (15:35.22)
way off.

Kelli (15:40.458)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (15:46.42)
No.

She made it so awkward. It was so awkward.

Wendy (15:50.798)
She really made it awkward. was very unclear what was going on. Drew is like, I thought we were good. I thought, you know, and what did she say to her? She said, we're all right.

Kelli (16:07.722)
She said, you're straight. We're straight.

Wendy (16:09.708)
You're straight, you're straight. listen, I thought your straight meant you're okay, but apparently it doesn't. Because when she said that, Drew's like, you know what? I wanted to make this work. I brought you a gift. I'm gonna leave it here for you. I'm just gonna get up and leave because I, you know, I don't, it's fine. I don't feel welcome. So she like excuses herself.

Kelli (16:33.152)
Yeah, we're going to have to look up what your straight really means. I don't think it means what we thought it means. We're straight.

Wendy (16:35.764)
Yes, because apparently not, because if she said that to me, I'd be like, okay, good, we're straight. And they're like, no, no, no, I guess their straight is our crooked. So then what happens?

Kelli (16:51.881)
Exactly.

Wendy (17:00.216)
deal with

Kelli (17:00.362)
Well, first of all, can we just talk about how thirsty AF Dennis really is?

Wendy (17:09.631)
my god, yes, yes we can. Because he is the problem in this situation.

Kelli (17:14.484)
He's 100 % the problem. And at first I was like, come on, Portia, just fucking say it to Drew, just say it. But when she says at the end, like, I had a conversation with Dennis about that. So he's the problem. Like she's even acknowledging he's the problem. Now she said she wasn't a mean girl, which she wasn't a mean girl to her. She wasn't mean to Drew. even prior to the phone call, she could have

Wendy (17:30.282)
Right, right. He is the problem, right. Right.

Kelli (17:44.946)
said something to Drew instead of just talking shit so much behind her back. But what was Portia saying about Angela setting Drew up? Did you catch that?

She was saying with Shemeah and Kelly, because who brought it up? Shemeah said that Angela said last night that Kelly and Drew were shading her before the brunch or something. And Portia's like, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like she's setting her up. was talking, Portia was talking about Angela setting Drew up, but I quite honestly did not follow it. I couldn't like.

Wendy (18:22.996)
I didn't even pick that up to be quite honest with you. didn't even realize that. did not know, I didn't pick that up because the next thing I was like, when Drew left and Porsche, they all kind of disband, Porsche went up to her room and Cynthia said, what's going on? And that's when we find out that there was another phone call after she got off the phone with Dennis and that, you

Kelli (18:26.303)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:42.506)
Right.

Wendy (18:49.451)
That's when we know what's going on. But Portia then says, let's just let this go and let's all get a shot. And then they all go outside and they're in their swimsuits and they're doing shots and they're drinking and they're having a great time.

Kelli (19:00.372)
That was Portia Shemeah Britt.

Wendy (19:03.958)
Everyone but Angela and Drew. wait, Cynthia. Cynthia wasn't there either.

Kelli (19:06.204)
Everybody, Cynthia wasn't there either. That's what I thought. So there were four of them, Kelly, Portia, Shemeah, and Brett, right? Those four, okay. That's what I thought.

Wendy (19:12.61)
Yes, yes, yes. the next morning, we see Angela talking to the producer and she said, Portia was inebriated and she names those four people at the pool and she heard them saying my name. She said, I heard them saying my name and talking about my dress and my husband. And she started to...

to record it, but it was all kind of like muffled.

Kelli (19:46.772)
I don't like that she did that. If she heard them talking about her, see the problem was production wasn't filming it though. That's probably why she started recording it. But you know what, if she would have...

Wendy (19:48.598)
I don't like that she...

Wendy (19:57.984)
Right. Why weren't they filming it though? Why wasn't production filming it?

Kelli (20:02.654)
I mean, obviously we know at some point production shuts down. I mean, we know that with the whole Bolo thing. I'm saying after a certain time, like even, you know, in what had just happened in New York, production was shut down. They picked back up when the whole thing went down with Brynn and Uva. I guess at like, you know, four o'clock in the morning, they're like, all right, we're gonna shut this thing. You know, we have to get some sleep at some point. And that's probably when the housewives are like,

Wendy (20:07.288)
But not if they're all still, well, yeah, I was like, not if they're still part, yeah.

Wendy (20:18.722)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (20:27.766)
Right.

Kelli (20:31.978)
giddy up, like now we can really do what we want.

Wendy (20:37.836)
Yeah, but what really caught Angela off guard with that whole thing is not that so much that they were talking about her or even that they were talking about her husband. It's when Portia said, I might just fuck her husband.

Kelli (20:53.854)
better watch out or I'll fuck her husband something like that. And of all people to say that, Portia

Wendy (20:55.82)
Yep, yep. that's when, because if, right, if she says that, she's gonna do it. She's gonna do it. Right. Yes. And Angela thinks that, you know, all those women there, like she said, they're all puppets to her. And listen, I can see that Angela is a strong woman and she doesn't take shit, which is why I'm surprised that

Kelli (21:04.51)
Right. History has shown that it can be done.

Kelli (21:17.344)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:22.11)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Wendy (21:25.652)
She didn't just go out there and confront them. I'm surprised she didn't.

Kelli (21:27.678)
That's what I'm saying. She should have because production would have picked back up and we all would have seen it.

Wendy (21:33.302)
Yeah, yeah. Because even the next morning you hear them in the bed, they're like, what was Angela doing recording us? She was looking through the window and you do see some scenes where you could see her looking through the window. So I don't, me too.

Kelli (21:46.59)
Yeah. Shit, if I heard my name, I would too. I don't think I'd bust my phone out. I would have went downstairs and been like, what's, you know, or at least just listen. Like I wouldn't have recorded. I would have just like listened and been like, okay, like take note. And then the next morning been like, this is what I heard. I guess at that point they could deny it, but who cares? Let them deny it. I'm, you know, if you know you're not a liar.

Wendy (21:54.722)
Right.

Wendy (22:06.359)
Right.

Wendy (22:12.054)
Right, right.

Kelli (22:13.93)
You got four people there who were hearing the same thing.

Wendy (22:18.764)
Yeah, and they even repeated it the next morning. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

Kelli (22:21.365)
Kelly totally repeated it. Right? Was it Kelly? Yeah.

So it's right there. Like you didn't even need to record it.

Wendy (22:31.854)
Yeah. And Kelly even said, she's like, I don't know. I just thought we were down there making a music video. I was like, Kelly. I do too. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (22:37.76)
It kind of looked like they were. I like her.

I like her a lot. She's like just down to have a good time, Kelly, it seems like. And I like that, like, my God, like, please, for the love of God, keep her. She likes to have a good time. She is not drama, and we need that.

Wendy (22:54.518)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (23:00.438)
Yeah. But I am still on the force on the on the fence about Angela because I just like, although I like her, I think she's a strong woman and I don't think she takes shit. I don't I feel like there's something that we're missing. I don't know what it is, though. I don't I don't have a I don't have a.

Kelli (23:12.288)
I agree with you.

Kelli (23:16.542)
I totally agree with you. I mean, listen, if this is true about Charles stepping out and having a baby on her, as Britt says, I'm sure she's got a lot of guards up. She's got her guard up, but there's something else. just, yeah, no, I agree with you.

Wendy (23:29.856)
Right, that's what I'm saying. I don't think she would let that bother her. She's already dealt with that. She's already been through that. That's old news. Right, you moved on from that. I feel like there's got to be something else. I don't know. Maybe we'll find out. Who knows? I don't know if you saw on, I think it was TMZ, but somebody caught Andy as he was walking out and asking him all these questions about Kenya.

Kelli (23:34.538)
Yeah, like people know, so who gives a fuck?

Kelli (23:44.522)
something else.

Kelli (23:50.175)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:59.414)
and about Atlanta and, Kenya put out a statement that she was invited to the reunion and then she was uninvited to the reunion. And he said, well, I didn't get to see her full statement. And he was on his way someplace, just get into a car. He's like, I can't really comment on it. didn't get to see her complete statement. And really I'm just focusing on Atlanta. Like we've got a really great season left and that's what I'm focusing. He really, he'd said nothing. mean, typically it was a typical Andy response. It was just a whole lot of nothing.

Kelli (24:07.422)
And what did he answer?

Kelli (24:24.478)
He said nothing.

Kelli (24:28.32)
I mean, at this point, what can he say? He can't say anything, because they don't know what's going on. It's like asking him about Jersey.

Wendy (24:30.594)
Well, he can't. No, he can't.

Right. You can't say anything about that either.

Kelli (24:37.172)
Right. Which, by the way, I don't know if you've noticed on social media, do you have anything else for Atlanta? No, me neither, okay. I don't know if you've noticed on social media, but maybe it's me, like maybe it's just the pages that I follow. But I mean, I check the WeWine whenever obviously, but I don't see a lot of tree huggers out there anymore.

Wendy (24:39.073)
So.

Wendy (24:44.32)
No, that was it.

Wendy (24:54.402)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:02.126)
I don't see a lot of tree huggers either, to be honest with you. No, there's not, but you know what? I see so much misinformation out there. I'm so sick of it.

Kelli (25:04.746)
There's not a lot of support there for her like there used to be.

Kelli (25:14.44)
Of course, it's all misinformation.

Wendy (25:16.759)
And it's not just about Jersey. Like, there's a lot of misinformation out there.

Kelli (25:18.718)
No.

And I hate the, you know what the problem is? Because I saw one, saw after Bethany Frankel came out and said that that statement that was made allegedly by her to Gia Giudice was AI. Something else came out from Paige allegedly. And as soon as I read it, I'm like, that's so not, she definitely did not write that. And then something came out like two days ago, which was something else. And I was like,

Wendy (25:36.589)
Right.

Wendy (25:46.094)
Mmm.

Kelli (25:50.656)
This sounds like AI. This is the problem.

Wendy (25:54.902)
Yeah. I mean, I saw Paige on Watch What Happens Live the other day. Did you see her? listen, I mean, I think everything she said was her truth. I don't think that she was lying about anything. know, Andy did the polls. The audience thinks that Craig was not blindsided. And, you know, I don't know.

Kelli (26:00.426)
I did.

Kelli (26:22.644)
Well, I'll stand corrected given the comments from when I said that I didn't think she was the breadwinner. But I did say that I think she had the potential. And Hannah too, they're clearly gonna make a lot of money and be successful. I didn't think at the time she said it she was the breadwinner, but I stand corrected. She must be the breadwinner and God bless her for it.

Wendy (26:47.884)
Yeah, I think she is doing very well. mean, they did the Jimmy Fallon show. I mean, they've been on like every morning show. They have a book that just came out. Like I said, they did a 60 City tour, sold out Radio City twice.

Kelli (26:54.675)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:01.694)
Yeah. And she basically said on Watch What Happens Live, like, I work more. So like Craig might just be, and this is no, no shade, like no dig at him. He must just be comfortable where he is and okay with that and happy with that. And that's awesome. And she is, she's younger and she is striving for more and God bless her for it.

Wendy (27:08.14)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (27:20.002)
Right.

Wendy (27:25.976)
He's a hustler.

not that much younger, but she's a hustler. I know, but she's just a hustler. It's a different mentality.

Kelli (27:30.91)
I know it keeps me thinking to you so much.

And she's at a different place. Like she's where he was probably three years ago with his sewing down south. Like that's when it kind of really blew up, you know, however involved he is with it. I don't know.

Wendy (27:44.622)
And.

Yeah, and that's the thing, like, we're talking about pillows. mean, not pillows. I mean, I don't know. Like, they're just two totally different things.

Kelli (27:51.134)
Yes, we are talking about pillows.

Kelli (27:59.592)
Yeah, I'll tell you what I stand by that I said though, and you and I both kind of said it.

the way Sierra is treating Lexi.

Wendy (28:09.604)
I'm not down with that. I'm really not.

Kelli (28:11.552)
And I'll tell you why, because I thought about this after reading some of the comments, because people are not happy that we said that. But remember when Austin came to visit for Lindsay's birthday? And you know, okay, Lindsay made out with him. Sierra didn't make out with Jessie, but Sierra, Paige, and Amanda basically made Lindsay out to be public enemy number one because of that.

Wendy (28:24.439)
Yes.

Wendy (28:38.008)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:38.932)
This is not so far off. No, Sierra didn't make out with Jesse, but that door is open for Jesse with Sierra. She's left that door wide open and Lexi is in the house and Lexi has slept with him and you know how he's coming hard for her. So I'm sorry, I stand by exactly what we said. Sierra is breaking girl code big time.

Wendy (28:50.06)
Yes.

Wendy (28:58.134)
Yes!

Wendy (29:02.442)
I do too. I do too. I do too. And it breaks my heart too because I was so Team Sierra. I really liked her. I felt like she was done dirty so many times between Austin and Wes and Luke. Like I wanted her to get the guy and get the Prince Charming and like sweep her off her feet. But Jesse is not that guy. He's not that guy.

Kelli (29:09.056)
For sure.

Kelli (29:26.264)
he's so not the one, Ciara. And I hope she gets all of that, everything you just said. I do hope she gets it. I'm just a little disappointed that I just think that she's doing what Lindsay did and they were all so angry at Lindsay and now they're all hailing Lindsay. know, Paige is saying that Lindsay raised her now. It's like that too. It's like, really? Because she was awful to you when she came on this show. She was awful.

Wendy (29:31.278)
I do too.

Wendy (29:46.262)
I was...

Wendy (29:52.566)
I know. I know. It's so true. I was thinking the same thing. The whole Lindsay and Paige dynamic now, it's like they're like BFFs all of a sudden.

Kelli (29:55.227)
awful to her.

Kelli (30:05.876)
Yeah, and that's great. I'm glad their friendship evolved, but come on. you know, let's not forget. And I am an extremist. I know who fucked my kid over in the first grade.

Wendy (30:09.006)
I am too, but come on. I know, I know.

Wendy (30:22.156)
Right.

Kelli (30:25.018)
I know their name, where they live, and what kind of car their mother drives. But that's an extreme.

Wendy (30:29.548)
And you know who harassed your sister and where they work. And yeah, like you don't let it go. You do not let it go. I know, I know, I know, but. That's so funny. Yeah.

Kelli (30:35.306)
Damn fucking straight.

Kelli (30:39.367)
I don't let it go.

Yeah, damn straight.

So I'm a little bit of an extremist with that admittedly, but yeah, come on. But I stand by what we said about Ciara because that's totally hypocritical from what happened two seasons ago with Austin and Lindsay.

Wendy (31:00.621)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:04.184)
So you know they just did the reunion the other day and did you see the the seating chart because I have it here.

Kelli (31:07.103)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:11.102)
Yeah, why do you think Amanda got first seat?

Wendy (31:14.28)
I'm thinking something's gonna happen between her and Kyle because I just think that she's like enough is enough. I hope so too, although she is sitting next to him still. And the other thing I was thinking, if that's not it, I don't think that summer house reunion seating is the same as housewives reunion seating because

Kelli (31:20.574)
Okay.

Kelli (31:25.244)
I hope so.

Kelli (31:30.079)
Right.

Kelli (31:40.202)
How's wives? Well, I mean, typically Kyle is always, he's either first or second seat from Andy. I think Kyle and Andy must've been friends. Like they must've had some kind of friendship before this show popped off. I mean, I don't know. feel, mean, Kyle is such a douche bag. Like why did they keep him around and let him promote his clearly not successful lover?

Wendy (31:47.918)
Thank

Wendy (31:54.498)
You think so?

Wendy (32:00.79)
I mean, he really is.

Loverboy and his DJ. I mean, even all the nice things Paige was saying about him.

Kelli (32:13.696)
That's what I mean. Like, come on. Eugh, he gives you the ick.

Wendy (32:18.87)
I know. I know, it's so true. It is true.

Kelli (32:22.9)
You know what I was thinking about the reunion? How happy is West? Because he got, rightfully so, he got pummeled last reunion. He must be sitting back this reunion like, whoo, exactly.

Wendy (32:24.973)
What?

Wendy (32:28.609)
my god, he's so happy.

Wendy (32:35.361)
Yes, he did.

He's like, woohoo!

Yep. Thank God it's not me.

Kelli (32:43.71)
I wonder if he'll try to stick up for his boy. Like, cause I feel like Jesse did try to stick up for him last, but he got shut down quickly, but he did try.

Wendy (32:52.716)
Yeah, but there's only, you know, your actions are your actions. I mean, I just, I just wonder, you know, I hope that Lexi stands up for herself. I hope she does. And I think she will. I do think she will.

Kelli (32:56.095)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:08.488)
I do too. so somebody commented, I guess we were talking about how Lexi had a birthday party for herself and she said that Sierra and Jesse chose to not come and post pictures of themselves together somewhere else. And somebody commented that we should do our homework or something like that because a lot of them didn't show up. But honestly, I got that information from watching an interview with Lexi and she only mentioned that Jesse and Sierra didn't go.

Wendy (33:37.004)
Right, exactly, exactly.

Kelli (33:37.96)
You didn't say that anybody else didn't go. So I'd be surprised to find out that they didn't.

Wendy (33:43.372)
Right, and anyway, that's the relationship that's in question. It's the Jesse-Lexi-Sierra relationship. you know, like, who cares? Like, who cares if the other players in this game? Because that's not what we were talking about. Right, it's totally not relevant.

Kelli (33:48.243)
Exactly.

Kelli (33:52.702)
Who cares?

Kelli (33:58.632)
Right, it's not relevant.

Yeah, and they were they were together taking pictures the two of them

Wendy (34:06.176)
Right. It was totally intentional. It was intentional. It's not nice. It's not nice. It's really not. And you know, I really felt like Paige was trying to, in the most recent episode, really tell Lexi, like, this is not the guy, like, this isn't, he's not good for you. Like, and I love that. I love that she was saying that. I love that she was saying that. But like, why isn't she saying something to Ciara?

Kelli (34:09.754)
Absolutely. And it's not nice. Again, it's just not fucking nice.

Kelli (34:27.04)
Totally agree. And what she said was,

Kelli (34:36.416)
I

Wendy (34:37.272)
Because Ciara this whole season too, feel like Ciara is so there for Paige and saying like, know, Craig isn't, like you can't not, you can't stay with him because you don't want him to be mad at you. Like that's not the reason to stay with him. Like Ciara's there for Paige and Paige I think is giving Lexi solid advice, but Paige is not calling out Ciara for what she's doing.

Kelli (34:50.559)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:01.118)
Yeah, like stop, like don't be so flirty with him. She's flirty with him. And I understand that that's the relationship they had prior to Lexi coming in the house, but it's different now. And Lindsay and Austin had a past and you expected Lindsay to change her behavior towards Austin after you had a thing with him. So why is it different for you?

Wendy (35:13.335)
Right.

Wendy (35:25.142)
Right. Right.

Right, I totally agree.

Kelli (35:31.602)
And you know, Paige clearly must have been having these conversations with Craig. We just didn't say it. Which is why he's getting so much sympathy and people, I really thought he was blindsided. She must have been having these conversations with him. Cause to me, it makes me uncomfortable that we're watching her basically plan to break up with him and he has no idea. And of course this is all PTSD for my youth.

Wendy (35:58.851)
Right, right. Right, your own trauma.

Kelli (36:00.376)
and things that have happened to me in my past, I gotta bring it back to myself. Right, exactly, my own trauma. But she must have been having these conversations with him and we're just not seeing it because he wouldn't film it.

Wendy (36:12.748)
Right, right. I mean.

Kelli (36:14.27)
So it does all make sense.

Wendy (36:16.93)
Yeah, I think it makes perfect sense. mean, even the whole thing when Andy asked her on Watch What Happens Live about, you know, are you gonna get married at BravoCon? as soon as that was said, I was like, there is no world where this would ever happen.

Kelli (36:34.255)
only thought maybe she said it as a joke to him. Like when he said, what should I do with the ring? And she was like, maybe we'll get married at BravoCon. As a joke. Clearly Paige is never getting married on TV. I mean, maybe. I don't even think she would do what Amanda and Kyle did. I really don't. Yeah, I don't think she would do it. So I thought if anything, she just said it as a joke, like sarcastically.

Wendy (36:48.139)
I don't think she get me.

I don't think so. I don't think so either. I don't think so.

now.

Wendy (37:02.122)
Yeah, I mean.

Kelli (37:02.73)
But maybe she didn't say it at all and he said she did because he has been a liar.

Wendy (37:06.862)
Well, that's what she said. Like everything pretty much she said at the reunion was a lie.

Kelli (37:14.11)
Yeah, and he did spin it at the reunion.

Wendy (37:17.518)
Of course he did. Because like she said, he wanted to be the victim.

Kelli (37:22.716)
I do agree that he didn't have to,

Kelli (37:29.44)
comment on the cheating, defend her on the cheating. Because honestly, I don't think she cheated on him. I really don't. I don't think there was anything else, anyone else. I think it was solely about her career. And if she's dating somebody now, who cares? She's dating somebody now, so is he.

Wendy (37:29.582)
defend her. no, no.

No, no.

Wendy (37:44.246)
Right. And she said that she's not really, it's not, she's just having fun and she's dating. It's not like she's exclusive with anybody. It's not like there's one person and she's having fun as she should be. Right?

Kelli (37:51.582)
Right. Right.

as she should be. Yes.

Wendy (38:01.454)
I don't know. mean, even I think we, yeah, yeah, I'm over it. I'm so over it.

Kelli (38:02.942)
I think we've beat this relationship to death.

I'm over it. the season, mean, I guess the last episode ended where Lexi was basically like, done with Jesse, right? They're done. And he was like, I thought we were going to leave this weekend with me saying, you're now my girlfriend. Like, what? He's like, he's just an overplayed fuck boy, like the rest of them. And who was I listening to? And they said,

Wendy (38:20.332)
Yeah, I think so.

Wendy (38:27.15)
Wait.

Wendy (38:33.985)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:38.1)
production did, Bros and Shows? They were saying, they asked questions, they asked their viewers questions, they gave questions, and someone said, do you think Emeril and Gabby got played dirty by the producers? Because they had no, know, Emeril was just basically painted as the, you know, sex guy. And Gabby, nothing.

Wendy (38:43.062)
Okay.

Wendy (39:00.599)
Right, exactly.

Yeah, nothing. mean...

Kelli (39:04.544)
And they agreed and I agree with them too. I'm sure. And Merle has some fucking story, man. He came here as an illegal. Like he's got a story.

Wendy (39:12.662)
Yes.

Yeah, I agree. I would have liked to seen his story. I would have liked to get to know him. The thing with Gabby though is this isn't her first season. Gabby's been on several seasons and we still don't really know what's going on with Gabby. I think that's a Gabby thing and I think it's because she chooses not to open up.

Kelli (39:36.746)
she does seem like her family is pretty conservative. So I don't think she's ever gonna be the girl to hook up on the show, like have the one night stand, like I don't think that's gonna be her and that's fine, that's good, you know? I think she's there for Lindsay. I think she's Lindsay's go-to now, where Danielle used to be and now it's Gabby.

Wendy (39:40.864)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (40:03.648)
Yeah, I... Well, I mean, maybe she is, but they don't really have that role. I mean, she's on the picture. Like, she's in the picture. That other girl is not in the picture. So, and that other girl's not at the reunion either. I wonder if they'll mention her.

Kelli (40:04.018)
I she's just a friend of.

Kelli (40:09.691)
No.

Kelli (40:16.276)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:21.47)
Right, right. I know, I know, Bailey, right?

Wendy (40:26.144)
Yeah, Bailey. I couldn't even think of her name. That's it. Bailey. Yeah.

Kelli (40:28.616)
Yeah, I wonder if they will. It was nice to see Tom Schwartz. So we saw him on the Valley and Summerhouse all in the same week.

Wendy (40:36.65)
Yeah, that was nice. And I don't know if you just saw, but they just posted pictures of Kristin Doty's baby shower that Brittany threw and Tom Schwartz and Ariana are at the baby shower, which I thought that was, and Jessie was there. I saw Jessie, I was like.

Kelli (40:38.816)
See you soon.

Kelli (40:51.103)
Yeah.

Yes, I saw that. And Naya, but not Danny. But I guess somebody's got to watch all those kids.

Wendy (41:00.301)
my gosh, yes. I love Nia. I love Nia. I really do.

Kelli (41:04.058)
I do too and some, I forget, maybe I was bro's chose. No, maybe not. Not that they don't like her, but they were saying like, maybe it wasn't them. I don't wanna say it was them. If it was, I was listening to somebody and they were like, when are things gonna blow up between those two? Remember last year, like Jax was insinuating something was gonna come out about their marriage?

Wendy (41:09.474)
They don't like her?

Wendy (41:27.382)
Listen, I don't trust Jax. He's just a deflector. Like, there's nothing truthful that comes out of his mouth ever.

Kelli (41:35.232)
He's possibly the worst person to ever come across our TVs on Bravo.

Wendy (41:40.628)
He really is. He takes narcissists to a whole other level.

Kelli (41:45.114)
Absolutely. I mean, Jesse's a close second, but now Jax is the epitome of.

Wendy (41:52.972)
I mean, I don't even know if you've seen it, but they have an after show for The Valley. Have you watched that? You have to, you have to, on Peacock, they're only on Peacock. You have to watch them on Peacock, but you know who's on the after show, which I was, like Lala has a lot of after show, like sit downs, and she's not even, we haven't even seen her yet. Yeah, but she's on the after show. Schwartz is on the after show. Jax is on the after show. Who else was on the after show?

Kelli (41:57.28)
No, I haven't, I don't watch any after shows. Where do you find them? Oh, okay. Okay.

Kelli (42:13.408)
We haven't even seen her yet.

Wendy (42:23.682)
The after show is very good. It's very informative. You need to watch the after show for the Valley.

Kelli (42:28.188)
I will now that I know, cause I look for them on like Instagram and Tik Tok. I'm like, where are these after shows? All right, good to know. I'll watch it on Peacock. Now that I know where to go.

Wendy (42:33.602)
Okay. All right. Well, until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Please give us five star reviews, share it, subscribe, tell your friends. Bye.

Kelli (42:51.424)
Bye.