The Valley & Summer House -Wine, Whispers, and Reality TV

The Valley & Summer House -Wine, Whispers, and Reality TV

Summary

In this episode, Wendy and Kelli discuss the latest happenings in the reality TV world, focusing on character dynamics, relationships, and the impact of alcohol on behavior. They delve into the complexities of personal relationships, particularly the challenges faced by Michelle and Jesse, and explore the broader themes of love, conflict, and communication. The conversation highlights the emotional struggles of the characters and the social dynamics at play, providing insights into their motivations and actions. In this conversation, Kelli and Wendy delve into the complexities of relationships portrayed in reality TV, particularly focusing on the dynamics within the cast of Summerhouse. They discuss the manipulative behaviors exhibited by certain cast members, the impact of personal issues on friendships, and the challenges of navigating public scrutiny. The conversation also touches on the future of reality TV relationships and the personal growth of cast members through their business ventures.

Takeaways

Jesse's behavior reflects a deeper narcissistic tendency.
Alcohol can exacerbate personal conflicts and lead to poor decisions.
The importance of communication in relationships is paramount.
Michelle's struggles are relatable and highlight the complexities of love.
Wendy and Kelli emphasize the need for emotional support in tough times.
Character dynamics can shift perceptions of individuals on reality TV.
The impact of past relationships shapes current interactions.
Humor can be a coping mechanism in stressful situations.
Understanding different perspectives can lead to empathy.
Reality TV often mirrors real-life social dynamics.  Brittany knew exactly who Jax was when she married him.
Janet's jealousy stems from Nia and Danny's seemingly perfect relationship.
Zach Headney plays a crucial role in the group dynamics.
Manipulation is a recurring theme in reality TV relationships.
The future of Jesse's character remains uncertain after the reunion.
Lexi's return to Summerhouse is highly anticipated.
The importance of loyalty among friends is highlighted.
Personal issues often spill over into public drama on reality shows.
Business ventures can be a source of growth for reality TV stars.
Navigating relationships on camera presents unique challenges.

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Transcript

Wendy (00:00.987)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.862)
Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.245)
We're going to do a quick little recap on the Valley and Summerhouse and Prava.

Kelli (00:13.41)
Yeah. So the Valley is episode five and they're in Santa Barbara and Jesse's in his grampy panties.

Wendy (00:21.907)
That was so funny.

Kelli (00:23.902)
my God, he did confirm on Watch What Happens Live that he has upgraded his underwear and he now wears tighter briefs. We're happy to hear it, Jesse. I mean, you know. So they're getting ready to go to a winery and Jesse, I believe, is already drunk before they're going.

Wendy (00:31.347)
Thank goodness. Yeah.

Wendy (00:48.39)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:49.346)
which is great. And then they're on their Sprinter van going there and the engine starts smoking, which who knew Luke was like such a manly man, like gets out of the van and he's like, well, this is the problem, right?

Wendy (01:02.565)
I love that Luke took control of that situation. was like, you go Luke. Like he was the only man, he was the only man on the van.

Kelli (01:07.146)
I totally agree. I loved every second of it.

I mean, what are the rest of them going to do? The only other one I could possibly see stepping up and knowing anything is Jason. I mean, Jesse's not gonna know anything and Danny, well Danny wasn't even there.

Wendy (01:20.947)
I mean, he's a lot

Wendy (01:25.447)
No, Danny wasn't there. He was doing his voiceover job. He had it rescheduled. Yeah, kudos to Luke for that. Yeah, I was impressed. And actually, Jesse was in the road, and I really did think that he was gonna get hit, because he was acting like an idiot.

Kelli (01:29.11)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:33.73)
Yeah, big time.

Kelli (01:42.722)
He was totally acting like an idiot and he was like on the other side of the, was it a bus or a van, whatever it was, like God forbid something did happen to him. Like there was no where for him to go.

Wendy (01:48.9)
It was like a Sprinter thing. Yeah.

Wendy (01:54.035)
Mm-hmm. wasn't. was no, and there was no railing or anything. Like, he was in a bad spot.

Kelli (01:57.826)
No. Yeah, act in a fool. So basically, Luke says, like, we can make it back down the hill to the gas station and then we'll just Uber to the winery, which nice Ubers, they were like nice big SUVs.

Wendy (02:02.332)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:14.981)
I think they got, I don't think they Ubered, I think they got production. Yeah, I think they jumped in production vehicles or something, yeah.

Kelli (02:18.486)
I'm sure somebody sent vehicles for them. Yeah. So they go to the winery and they start their tasting. And Zach was so funny. He said he doesn't need to sniff, swirl, or play with his wine. He's just going to drink it like an adult.

Wendy (02:37.103)
Yeah. Okay, Zach.

Kelli (02:39.461)
I thought that was so funny though.

Wendy (02:41.651)
You know what I found out this week about Zach? So Zach used to be the assistant of Nicole Scherzinger. Did you hear that from Andy? Yeah, from Pussycat Dolls. And because I guess she was in Kentucky and he was BFFs with her sister. And his whole life goal was to be on a reality TV show. And here he is. Yeah.

Kelli (02:49.848)
Pussycat dolls. I did.

Kelli (02:58.979)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:05.516)
You made it, Zach. You made it.

Wendy (03:07.667)
Listen, when I heard that story, was like, okay, I like Zach a little bit more now, because honestly, I've not been a fan of Zach's. I really haven't.

Kelli (03:16.952)
that last year it was kind of hard to determine who you liked and who you didn't like because there were so many rumors, right? And who was the root of all the rumors. So I think everybody's in agreement that Janet sucks. And I think her treatment of Zack makes Zack more likable. Where even if you thought Zack was a little bit of a shit stirrer, you kind of sympathized with him because Janet was such a dick to him.

Wendy (03:23.301)
Yeah, right.

Wendy (03:28.851)
Janet, yeah.

Wendy (03:36.167)
Yeah, I agree with that.

Wendy (03:45.457)
I totally agree with that. And the interesting thing about Janet is, you know, I don't really like Janet. I didn't like her last season. I don't really like her this season. But for some reason, Sheena likes Janet. And she rides hard for Janet. And she thinks that Janet is misunderstood. And like, if we really knew the Janet, she knew that we would like her too. And I just, I'm not getting it. I'm not.

Kelli (04:00.205)
I know.

Yeah.

Kelli (04:10.904)
Me neither. We're not, definitely not seeing it. Somebody in production does not like Janet because we're only seeing the bad side.

Wendy (04:17.595)
Yeah, I don't know why.

Kelli (04:21.006)
I mean, we only see what they give us.

Wendy (04:23.315)
Yeah, because Sheena spills a lot of tea on her podcast. Have you started listening to her podcast?

Kelli (04:25.934)
No, and every week I'm like, really gotta start listening to her.

Wendy (04:29.915)
She really does spill a lot of tea. She really does. She was also talking about Michelle. Found out this about Michelle. So Michelle this season is really coming off as, first of all, everyone makes fun of the way she talks because of how she pronunciates things, like how she pronounces words and how she pauses when she speaks. But they think that she's really...

just annoying and they think that she's the one who started the cheating so that she's the one at fault even though we all know that Jesse is a narcissist and an asshole.

Kelli (05:10.072)
could stay married to him.

Wendy (05:11.971)
One of the things that Sheena said today, which I was like, whoa, she was talking about how Michelle's mother had passed away suddenly while they were, either while they were filming or shortly after they had finished filming. I think this season, actually. I think it could have been this season. And she was having a very hard time with it. And she had called up.

Kelli (05:25.639)
season? right?

Wendy (05:38.515)
Jessie and said, listen, I'm just, I just really need a day to myself to just sit home and cry. Can you take Isabella? Because I don't want to cry in front of her. And he was going to some party with some like realtors and he's like, well, no, I can't, you know, I already have plans, but I can take her this weekend. Are you kidding me? This, this is the mother. Right, right. This is the mother of your child.

Kelli (05:59.906)
Hmm. I mean that probably sums up their marriage in a nutshell

Wendy (06:07.421)
whose own mother just passed and she would like to kind of deal with those emotions and you're going to go to a party. Like...

Kelli (06:15.404)
Right. But yet you claim that your daughter is number one in your world.

Wendy (06:21.617)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:22.606)
And I get it, you have a lucrative career in real estate and these networking events are important, but come on.

Wendy (06:31.141)
I don't even think his career is that lucrative from everything I'm hearing. Like it's hard to even say, right?

Kelli (06:34.606)
Probably not. Or at least it sounds like he spends what he earns quickly. Which I hear you, Jazzy.

Wendy (06:40.037)
Yeah, mean, some of them, yeah. Yeah, but he buys like crazy stuff, like crazy expensive wine and like consumables. Like who spends that kind of money on something you're consuming?

Kelli (06:53.794)
Yeah, and he was so arrogant at that wine tasting. when Danny, I mean, I think Danny was just trying to be funny and he was like, the legs or, you know, whatever. And he was like, that's not even what you're doing. Like the legs have nothing to do with it. It's like, all right, he was just trying to be funny. That's how I took it. You know, nobody's listening to your evaluation of the wine.

Wendy (07:03.259)
Yeah, yeah

Wendy (07:11.279)
Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (07:19.738)
I agree. I agree.

Kelli (07:22.294)
Yeah, I have to start listening to Sheena, but it's interesting that she writes so hard for Janet.

Wendy (07:26.583)
Yeah, I think so too. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. I really do. giving her the benefit of the doubt based on what Sheena is saying. I'm taking Sheena's words on this because I'll tell you what, I really think she's very honest in what she says. you know, I think I had mentioned that she was really very vulnerable last week, very upset about her depression. you know, she was in New York for the upfronts. So she's

Kelli (07:32.28)
Janet?

Kelli (07:44.664)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:51.512)
Yeah.

Wendy (07:56.083)
very connected in Bravo. Like even not even just Bravo, like she just had the Mormon wives at her house. They were at her party. Her and Demi became very close from secret lives of Mormon wives, which by the way, I started season two. It is.

Kelli (08:11.355)
I actually heard season 2 is much better. I didn't even finish season 1 because I couldn't get through it.

Wendy (08:16.121)
I didn't finish season one until recently when I found out season two was coming on. So I was like, all right, let me finish season one. And then I jumped into season two. It is better. It's already better. Demi and Jessie on Mormon Wives are very hard to tell apart, even still. Like they look so much alike.

Kelli (08:26.338)
I'll give it a shot, but whew.

Kelli (08:33.836)
Yeah, I think Heather McDonald said that on her podcast today.

Wendy (08:38.267)
Yeah, I think Sheena has said it too. I think everyone has said it. They're very hard to tell apart. But I mean, she's friends with them. She is friends with Heather McDonald. She is friends with so many people. We made fun of her when she was talking about, I have their location. People really do share their location with Sheena. They really do. She really is that person who goes out of her way.

Kelli (08:41.216)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (09:04.849)
to connect with others when she's out of town. Like when she was on her podcast today, I think it was from, I think she recorded it last week. I was probably listening to an older one. And the person she had on with her, she overslept because she was out, it was the Knicks game the night before, Tamar was there, they were hanging out in her hotel room. She doesn't normally, like she doesn't sleep well when she's in New York. She took two gummies and she totally overslept, which she never does.

Kelli (09:21.73)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:32.846)
Wow.

Wendy (09:32.849)
I don't even remember where I was going with this story. the point I'm making is no matter where she is, she tries to bring people together. Like when she's in New York, she's getting the summer house people. she's getting, she got OC people to hang out with her. Like she's always trying to bring people together. She's really a connector.

Kelli (09:41.827)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:51.724)
Yeah, yeah. She just seems like a very personable person and clearly a very fun person to hang out with.

Wendy (09:58.397)
I definitely would love to hang with, and she seems just genuine. Like she's really genuine. Like what you see is what you get with her is what I'm seeing. But I don't know. So I'm gonna take her word for it with Jenna. I'm gonna give her another chance and try and see her in a different light, but I don't know.

Kelli (10:06.925)
Right.

Kelli (10:14.092)
All right. I like Michelle. I don't know why people come so hard for Michelle. Like I just feel bad for her that she was married to this guy and tried to leave him and then couldn't and then like, okay, so she said she cheated once. She said she had an indiscretion. These things happen and then they tried to make it work and it didn't.

Wendy (10:18.575)
I like Michelle too. I like Michelle too.

Wendy (10:26.312)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:36.189)
Right.

Right, right.

Kelli (10:40.064)
It doesn't make her a big cheater like she hadn't this long winded affair. I don't know, but let me tell you something. If your husband is not telling you you're pretty or being affectionate and Eric and I are not super affectionate people, but it's enough that I know my husband loves me and you know, just I get it. Like if you're not getting that from your husband, of course you're going to look for it somewhere else.

Wendy (10:59.773)
Right.

Wendy (11:09.201)
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (11:11.062)
I mean, it's human nature. We want to be loved.

Wendy (11:14.865)
No, I totally agree.

Kelli (11:16.236)
Yeah, I like Michelle personally. And I think she's like, she just talks like a Valley girl, like a girl from out there.

Wendy (11:18.716)
I do too.

Wendy (11:25.043)
I'll have to think about it and give you better examples than I just gave you, but I have noticed that she's got like this, like a hesitation in her syllables.

Kelli (11:28.877)
Yeah, no.

Kelli (11:35.2)
she does annunciate.

Wendy (11:37.83)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:39.438)
But the pausing, do you remember that show, Party of Five? It was a great show, but I couldn't stand the way they, and they all talked the same way. They all paused between every word they said. All of them. like, my God, just, I don't know if it's because I'm from New Jersey. I'm like, just fucking say it already. That annoyed me, and I don't get that from Michelle.

Wendy (11:44.139)
my god, I love that show.

Wendy (11:57.555)
I think it's a Jersey thing with us because we just get to the point. Just say what you got to say. Stop pausing. No, no. Even when I edit this, I like take out all our pauses. if I mean, and we don't really pause that much because we do keep talking, but I'm like, take them all out. I don't want any pauses.

Kelli (12:09.715)
god, yeah, like do not pussyfoot around it. Just fucking say it.

Kelli (12:23.522)
You know what's funny? I noticed that you do that because sometimes when I'm listening, I'm like, I know I laughed. I know I laughed at that and my laugh is not in it.

Wendy (12:32.07)
Yeah, I didn't have time for it.

Kelli (12:35.586)
You don't care if I thought that was funny. Like this laugh right now is not gonna be in it people when you listen to it.

Wendy (12:39.923)
Probably not, may not.

Kelli (12:45.144)
So funny. So Danny shows up and he definitely catches up quick with the drinking. You could see. But you know, he's slamming them, but they have three kids under what? Three? Yeah. And you have a day and a night where you don't have to take, your kids are taken care of. You're with your wife, you're with your friends. I'd be slamming it too. Absolutely. Now,

Wendy (12:46.291)
you

Wendy (12:51.24)
gosh, he was slamming them.

Three! Three kids under three, yeah.

Wendy (13:05.937)
Yeah, I would too. I would too. And a lot of people are sticking up for him about that. I mean, there's still people giving him a hard time, but there's, I think there's more people sticking up for him saying, listen, exactly what you said, because it's true.

Kelli (13:16.76)
Good. I mean, going in the pantry and chugging tequila, separate issue, in my opinion.

Wendy (13:24.369)
He said on Watch What Happens Live, I did see him. Did you see him? He said that he went in there to get something else or to put something away, something, and he saw that and he just, took a shot. It's not like he was hiding in there doing it. I mean, listen, I have closet eaters in my house. I have people that literally stand in the pantry closet and eat, because I see all the food on the floor that they drop.

Kelli (13:28.333)
I

Kelli (13:32.428)
a white claw or something.

Kelli (13:39.584)
Right. Right. I mean, if that's true, then that's true.

Kelli (13:52.162)
Joe is a closet, a pantry eater. Joe is a, me open up the refrigerator door and stand here for five minutes until it starts beeping and telling me to shut the refrigerator door to see what I want to eat. Like even the refrigerator is like for the love of God, Joe shut the door. Yeah.

Wendy (13:54.555)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (14:02.278)
Yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (14:09.275)
Yeah. Yeah, but even, especially like if you're drunk, like if you're already drunk and you're standing there and you're like, shiny thing, tequila. Let me just have some. Right. Exactly.

Kelli (14:17.46)
Exactly, Doritos. I'm gonna stand here and eat the Doritos and look at the rest of the pantry to see what else is in here that I might be interested in. Yeah, and then he, well, we'll get to it, but what Jasmine said about him.

Wendy (14:23.251)
Exactly. Listen, it made perfect sense to me.

Kelli (14:37.066)
I still laugh. if I was out with one of my friends, if I was out with one of my friend's husbands and they were wasted and said to me, go get daddy a drink, I would laugh hysterically and I'd go get the guy a drink. Absolutely. I mean, I don't know if he really pinched her girlfriend's ass or whatever, but listen, even that, whatever. He knows she's a lesbian. It's not like he's trying to sleep with her.

Wendy (14:42.45)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (14:47.611)
You'd laugh.

Wendy (14:51.527)
I think you probably would, right? Yeah.

Wendy (15:06.341)
Right, exactly. Exactly. I don't know.

Kelli (15:07.98)
I don't know. I feel like Jasmine was stretching a little bit.

Wendy (15:13.499)
I feel like, and I don't like to say this, but I feel like Jasmine's doing it so that she stays on the show because what else does she have going on? Right?

Kelli (15:21.728)
I agree. Yeah. Yes, I agree. So Jesse and Michelle go over to the side to talk. She wants an apology. She's clearly not getting one.

Wendy (15:35.653)
Now from Jesse.

Kelli (15:37.216)
And then they're talking and she says to him, you're a disaster. And he says, well, you're a hooker. So he just doubled downed. Yeah. Yeah. Like what you're calling the mother of your child a hooker.

Wendy (15:44.825)
He just goes low. Yeah, he goes low.

Wendy (15:53.064)
He just wants to hurt her. Every... Yeah. Everything he says.

Kelli (15:55.148)
And she said it.

She said he'll do whatever he can do to make my life miserable. And that's what I mean. So I don't think that he's just acting like that now because they're getting divorced. I think he always acted like that. Once he realized she wasn't in it anymore, that was it.

Wendy (16:13.327)
Right. Yeah, I think you're right. And that's not cool. That's not cool. Just let her go. Let her go. You go be happy. You go do you. Like, just let her go.

Kelli (16:18.89)
right.

Kelli (16:27.084)
Yeah, I mean, you're with somebody and your daughter's telling Michelle that she has a new mommy or a second mommy.

Wendy (16:36.302)
Yeah, that's odd.

Kelli (16:38.862)
It's odd, but remember when Isabella told Aaron she loved him on the phone?

Wendy (16:46.994)
Kelli (16:47.2)
So, I mean, saying you have a second mommy, that's kind of big. But why are you telling some guy that's supposedly been in your mom's life for six months that you love him?

Wendy (16:58.641)
Yeah, that's weird. That's weird. That's weird.

Kelli (17:00.342)
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

So, Brittany tells Jesse to apologize. He said he doesn't believe the rumor. You started the rumor about her sleeping with a billionaire. He's like, I don't really think it's true. It's not true, you said it.

Wendy (17:16.847)
I know. I know. I know. I know.

Wendy (17:23.567)
Right, exactly, you are the one who made it up. Yeah, I mean, this is, and this is who he is though. Like he just wants, he wants to be the center of attention and he wants to make his soon to be ex-wife's life miserable in any way that he can, which is horrible.

Kelli (17:41.048)
Yeah.

So I feel like the more, I think I said this last week, the more Jesse talks bad about Michelle, the less you feel bad for him.

Wendy (17:53.083)
Yeah, I got that feeling too on Watch What Happens Live. People were more Team Danny than they were Team Jesse. And Jesse just was even arrogant about that. Every answer he gave was, yeah, that's who I am. That's what I did. Unapologetic, that's where I Right?

Kelli (18:12.406)
Yeah, totally unapologetic. He still doesn't see that he did anything wrong and that's the true definition of a narcissist.

Wendy (18:22.385)
Right. Right.

Kelli (18:25.55)
After all of those, you know, not altercations, but meetings with Jesse and Michelle, if I were Michelle, I probably would have left.

Wendy (18:37.887)
I definitely would have. There's no way. Absolutely. There's no way I would put up with that. No way. Life is too short. Life is too short. I mean, there's a reason she moved out. There's a reason that Britney moved out because they were both living with narcissists who wouldn't. So the only way to get some peace and normalcy in their lives was for them to move out.

Kelli (18:39.02)
Right?

Kelli (18:43.338)
No. No.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Kelli (18:57.836)
Right, exactly.

Kelli (19:05.292)
Right, they had to remove themselves from the situation. So it had to be bad. mean, think about, you know, all the women out there who can't for financial reasons. So, I don't know. Now they're back at the house, they're getting ready for dinner. Danny passes out. I mean, best case scenario, no? Now he's just gonna sleep it off.

Wendy (19:08.156)
Right.

Wendy (19:16.754)
Right.

Wendy (19:29.233)
Yeah, it's fine. Why are they making such a big deal about it?

Kelli (19:31.488)
I won't know. So we get to the dinner and the hall. How about the hall pass conversation? Who's I, I don't know who started it, but Luke said the little mermaid.

Wendy (19:41.149)
Who started that conversation?

Wendy (19:49.331)
What did he say? The Little Mermaid. was like, wait, what? Even Kristen was like, what?

Kelli (19:56.664)
This is so fucking weird. and then Nadia says, we don't have hall passes because we know so many people in Hollywood. Exactly.

Wendy (20:01.553)
That was so weird.

Wendy (20:07.613)
And they're like, we all know people in Hollywood.

Wendy (20:12.869)
Yeah, that's never a good, I mean, listen, there's certain topics you shouldn't be talking about at a dinner party, right?

Kelli (20:21.046)
I mean, listen, I'm very honest about my hall passes. Mark Wahlberg, LL Cool J, Eric is well aware if either of those men are in front of me. It's game on. Eric's changes from time to time. Rihanna is probably his go-to now. But we have these conversations because it could come up. We're not laminating it like Ross Geller. But mine have been pretty solid since we started dating, so.

Wendy (20:36.604)
Okay

Wendy (20:41.363)
Ha ha ha ha.

Wendy (20:47.783)
very interesting.

Kelli (20:48.876)
Yeah, but so we're going, know, we're still at dinner. Brittany's still talking about Jax's text.

Wendy (20:57.043)
Well, because he continues to rage text her.

Kelli (20:59.854)
Yeah, it's like, he's, like a Teresa judaist thing, sending the bottle of whiskey to the Gorgas housewarming party. It's just so you're talking about him because he's not there. It's just his way of inserting himself in a situation that he's not present at. So stop talking and stop giving it to him.

Wendy (21:11.623)
Right.

Wendy (21:19.355)
No, totally agree with that. She's so broken now at this point. She doesn't even realize what she's doing. I really don't think she does.

Kelli (21:23.501)
right?

Kelli (21:31.372)
No, I agree. And what did Zach say? She's trauma trained. And that is 100 % right.

Wendy (21:35.227)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely is. It definitely is.

Kelli (21:42.188)
Yeah. But then they all start getting on Nia.

Wendy (21:43.301)
I- but then-

for not owning that Danny's drunk and just saying that he's tired so he's sleeping. Okay, I mean, listen, right, both can be true at the same time and not for nothing, but if I was at a party with Bill and he could go pass out someplace, I'd say he's tired too. I don't need to go say he's trashed in bed, I might, but listen, she didn't wanna say it. What's wrong with that? Right.

Kelli (21:53.72)
I'm sure both are true.

Kelli (22:12.18)
Everybody knew, like we knew, we were watching it, we knew he was wasted and good for you. He didn't do anything inappropriate. He didn't grab anyone's ass. He didn't refer to himself as daddy from what we could tell because clearly that's very offensive to people. He didn't do any of that. He went and passed out in bed. You know what? He's probably gonna be pissed off tomorrow morning that he missed everything, but let, just let it be.

Wendy (22:26.893)
Right. Yes, yes.

Wendy (22:39.631)
Right, exactly.

Kelli (22:39.808)
It turned into something bigger because of Britney and Jasmine.

Wendy (22:43.955)
It was Jasmine stirring that pot and Brittany just jumped on the bag wagon because she's like, wait, I'm sharing all this about what's going on with Jax and my marriage. And well, you are, cause you have no choice. And Jasmine's bringing it up because she has nothing else to talk about.

Kelli (22:48.12)
for sure.

Kelli (23:01.206)
And not only that, Brittany, you knew exactly who Jax was. You knew he was on Vanderpump rules. You sought him out. I'm sure she slid right into his DMs. You knew exactly what you were getting into. You started dating a reality TV star. You stayed with him after he publicly humiliated you and cheated on you. You married him. You had a baby with him all on reality TV. Yep. You're sharing your life.

Yep, that's who you married. And you knew it every second of the way. Nia and Danny actually seem like very normal people who have a very normal relationship. As normal as normal can be. Nobody's completely normal, bud.

Wendy (23:33.096)
Right.

Wendy (23:44.531)
Right. And honestly, I think the only person that really has a problem with that is actually Janet. Janet doesn't like that Nia and Danny's relationship looks like the perfect couple. Like this picture perfect couple.

Kelli (24:00.384)
Honestly, Janet and Jason, Jason, right? Janet and Jason look perfectly normal too. Like he seems like a really great husband who truly loves his wife. Yeah. I agree. I agree with you, but like why should, why should Janet have a problem with that? It's not like you're, it's not, I mean, Brittany having a problem with it is one thing because you know, her marriage is a mess on TV right now. But again, she chose that.

Wendy (24:04.54)
Yeah, Jason, yeah.

Wendy (24:10.803)
I love Jason. I think he's too good for chatting.

Wendy (24:28.729)
Right. Right.

Kelli (24:30.178)
But Janet's isn't. Janet's marriage looks perfectly fine to the public.

Wendy (24:35.449)
Yeah, but Janet doesn't and Janet doesn't like that someone else is because I feel like Janet is like a Jax. Like this is how I feel. Like I feel like Janet has those narcissistic qualities and she wants to be like that the the top female, right? And it's not Britney and it's not Michelle.

Kelli (24:58.071)
Yes.

Wendy (25:06.415)
It's not Jasmine. I mean, if I had to pick a top female in this cast, I would pick Nia. Who would you pick?

Kelli (25:16.202)
Nia or Kristen.

Wendy (25:18.494)
god, I can't pick Kristen. Although Kristen... Alright, but Kristen is the one right now who is the most level-headed. It's... I mean... Yeah.

Kelli (25:19.788)
Which is shocking.

Kelli (25:26.926)
Yes. But you're right. Other than that, 100 % Nia. Like they just seem like a solid couple. But again, so do Janet and Jason. And listen, if you know something about, this is the thing about reality TV show, reality TV. You guys are clearly close friends, which is why this show even came to be. I think from what I understand, Jax approached whoever and said,

Wendy (25:54.611)
Alex Baskin, the producer.

Kelli (25:55.66)
Yeah, we have all these friends, like we're a solid friend group. You might want to get some cameras rolling. So you have solid friendships. Why would you want to blow up your friend's spot if something isn't right?

Wendy (25:59.261)
Right.

Wendy (26:11.695)
Exactly. Why would you?

Kelli (26:12.94)
I mean, if they're truly concerned about Danny having an alcohol abuse issue, okay, that's one thing, but do they? Do they think he, no. No. Exactly. Right, right. And some things happened off camera. But is it really enough to make this a thing on the show when you're really friends with these people?

Wendy (26:21.709)
No, I don't, mean, no, he doesn't. Not that we've seen. He got drunk once, big deal.

Kelli (26:41.41)
That would be like us going on a reality TV show and then me all of a sudden being like, yeah, I think, like that would be so messed up.

Wendy (26:47.763)
I think... No, it definitely would be. It definitely would be.

Kelli (26:53.868)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:55.694)
Yeah, I don't like it.

Kelli (26:57.472)
I don't like it at all. And I feel like, like did anybody have Nia's back? Now I'm trying to think, because this all happened at the end of the episode. Zach did, Zach did.

Wendy (27:04.593)
Zach, Zach Headney is back. Zach Headney is back and actually like, know, so Zach was really upset with Brittany because Brittany threw him under the bus to Janet, right? Cause Janet, right. So then Zach is like, okay, so Zach Headney is back. And you know, Zach was actually the voice of reason.

Kelli (27:21.026)
That's what Britney does. I think I said it last week.

Wendy (27:33.299)
You know what, I actually want to throw Zach in with the girls, be honest with because he gets, he's in their drama. He's not really in the boy drama. He's in the girl drama. No, he's not in the boy's chat. I think they need to get rid of that boy's chat if they haven't already, but. Luke is not in it. And Jason, Jason's not in it because he is an Android. He's got an Android.

Kelli (27:40.052)
No, not at all. He is not in the boy chat.

Kelli (27:48.034)
think so. I think so. Who's not in it? Who didn't make it in it? Luke's not in it. That's right. Is Jason in it? Jason's not in it either. that's right. He's the Eric of the group. He's anti-iPhone.

Wendy (28:03.123)
Or the bill or bill bill won't get an iPhone either You will not get one. He will not get one

Kelli (28:07.842)
Bill doesn't have an iPhone either? Eric, well Eric has to have one for work, because that's his work phone, but other than that, he does not like Apple, he does not want an iPhone, he has an Android.

Wendy (28:20.187)
Nope, that's Bill too. He's the same way. Drives me crazy. He's like, I can't see what you sent me. I'm like, if you had an iPhone, you could.

Kelli (28:22.136)
So funny. I know, me too.

Kelli (28:30.144)
Alright, get on board.

So then watch what happens live. Okay, so Jesse did acknowledge that it was terrible that he said Michelle was a hooker. So thank God for that, even though we doubled down in this episode. Danny said that he and Nia keep their dirty laundry behind closed doors. And I think that's okay. Because.

Wendy (28:48.038)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:55.227)
Yes, I do too. We don't need to know what... Right.

Kelli (29:01.098)
I don't think they're fighting any harder than you and I do with our husbands over, I mean, they have three kids under three for crying out loud the amount of fighting. And she's pregnant. Like the amount of fighting is probably immeasurable at this point. And that's okay, because they're going to get through it.

Wendy (29:10.387)
when she's pregnant with number four.

Wendy (29:16.921)
Yeah. And it's over stupid shit. And it's over stupid shit too. It's over stupid shit.

Kelli (29:22.294)
Of course, listen, I told Eric I hated him in the middle of the night because I couldn't find Tess's binky. I told him I hated him. I mean, as if he were hiding it on purpose.

Wendy (29:27.987)
Right, exactly.

Kelli (29:36.686)
But it did seem like at the end of Watch What Happens Live, Jesse and Michelle were in a better place and they were moving forward. So that's good.

Wendy (29:48.051)
Guess we'll have to wait and see. They didn't really give us any-

Kelli (29:49.964)
I think they came to some kind of agreement. I think there was something on social media like Michelle did not quite like an Ashley Darby post with the, which was awesome, with the newspaper and the headlines. But she, I think she did like a video of her like jumping up and down or something like that. So I think they came to some kind of agreement.

Wendy (29:59.462)
Yeah, that was great.

Wendy (30:05.398)
that's good. That's good. I'm glad to hear that.

Kelli (30:09.164)
Yeah, me too. Me too.

Wendy (30:11.155)
All right, so that's, do you have anything else for the Valley? Okay, so Summerhouse. the Lexi, Jessie saga in Summerhouse. just is never ending.

Kelli (30:14.125)
Nope.

Kelli (30:25.336)
This is why I can't imagine why they don't have first seat at the reunion. This is the whole season.

Wendy (30:31.121)
Well, I-

This is the whole season. I don't know. We've talked about this before, how the seating is for these reunions for other than Housewives. Like, I guess we'll have to see what makes sense, but it doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. I am so over the whole Jesse Lexi thing. I am Team Lexi and I am Team Sienna.

Kelli (30:48.866)
It doesn't.

Wendy (31:00.147)
I just don't even want Jesse there anymore. I just think he's just a liar. He lies about everything. He manipulates every situation. And he pits them against each other.

Kelli (31:08.142)
See, this is what I, he did, because when Lexi, now listen, when Lexi pulled him outside to end it, she said nothing about Ciara, nobody mentioned Ciara, right? And then he did go back into the room and say, so this is what I was confused about. Did he say that, like, when he said she was mad that I had such a good time with Ciara, did he mean that she just said it out on the deck, or did he mean that she said it earlier in the week when they weren't filming?

Wendy (31:17.071)
Right. Not a word. Right. Not a word.

Wendy (31:38.407)
He implied, he implied that's what she said when she broke up with him. That's what he implied. He didn't say specifically when it was, but that is what he implied. And that is manipulation.

Kelli (31:38.562)
Does it even matter?

Kelli (31:44.14)
Right. You did.

Kelli (31:49.784)
So this is, it's 100 % manipulation and she'll, to me, I mean, we never saw, I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think we ever saw Lexi say anything to Jesse about Sierra. Other than the weekend that it was brought back to her that he was flirting a lot with her. Which, yeah, and he was, he was.

Wendy (32:14.107)
when she wasn't there.

Right. He was, absolutely was. And what Lexi has said is that she didn't really feel close to the other girls. And she did say that because she felt like Jesse was putting a wedge between them. And he was. He kept saying that, you know, she's jealous. I can't like your pictures. I can't comment.

Kelli (32:37.346)
And he was. He was.

Kelli (32:46.956)
It's so interesting to me that Lexi has said, Lindsay was the most welcoming out of all of the girls. She had a conversation with Amanda prior to being on the show. Like once she knew she was on the show. Yeah, yeah. So, and Lindsay was the most welcoming because of how Paige and Sierra.

Wendy (33:00.455)
And she was friends. She was friends with Amanda.

Kelli (33:12.632)
have intimated how terrible, well, we saw it. I Lindsay wasn't really nice to them. She wasn't. And, you know, her famous line like, do you know who I am? I'm Lindsay Hubbard. Like, okay, you're on a reality TV show. Settle down.

Wendy (33:18.383)
No, she wasn't.

Wendy (33:28.253)
I think at this point, Lindsay would admit that she was horrible though. I mean, yeah, she can look back.

Kelli (33:31.15)
For sure, but I would have thought that, I mean, eventually at the bed bug party, whatever it was called, the girls opened up to Lexi and kind of gave her a window to be part of their group and tell her side, but they didn't do that prior to that.

Wendy (33:38.599)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:50.169)
No. No, they were very closed off because of Jesse. Because of the things that Jesse was saying. Because of the way Jesse was acting.

Kelli (33:52.546)
They didn't.

Yeah.

Kelli (34:00.75)
But it's very interesting to me that Ciara is still telling Lexi, keep my name out of your mouth. After watching the season, after knowing what Jessie did, she's still hanging out with Jessie, taking pictures, posting them, and telling Lexi to keep her name out of her mouth. That's not a girl's girl.

Wendy (34:22.067)
I'm not gonna comment yet on it, because I told you I changed my mind and I'm not, I just wanna see how it plays out at the reunion. feel like there's something that goes down because I've just seen too much of Jesse and his manipulation. It's not even just the lies, it's the manipulation. Because the facts, I would,

Kelli (34:26.892)
I know.

Kelli (34:32.238)
I totally agree with you.

Kelli (34:39.522)
Well...

Kelli (34:45.368)
You know what Dolores said? Dolores said the player got played. Dolores thinks that Lexi was playing the long game with Jesse too. Like she was dating Jesse to have a storyline too.

Wendy (34:57.265)
She didn't need a storyline. So many people have said this. Lexi has dated some very famous people. Lexi could... Yes.

Kelli (35:04.428)
Cindy Crawford's son and Victoria Beckham's son. Come on now.

Wendy (35:09.265)
Yes, she does not need Jesse Solomon. I'm sorry, she doesn't need Jesse Solomon. She doesn't. She doesn't. just like, Ciara doesn't need Jesse Solomon or Austin Crowell or Luke. What else? Who else was there? West. How could I forget him? Or West Wilson. I mean, Lexi even said, and West said he believed it. Lexi even said that Jesse said,

Kelli (35:12.942)
Mm-mm.

totally gray. Now.

Kelli (35:21.922)
now.

Kelli (35:28.725)
God, yeah. Right.

Wendy (35:38.951)
how much attention West got for the whole him and Sierra thing.

Kelli (35:46.03)
And West said I hope it's not true because that would be hurtful

Wendy (35:52.433)
But I believe it. But I believe it.

Kelli (35:58.318)
crazy.

Wendy (35:58.781)
So yeah, it's just like, I don't like Jessie. I don't like Jessie.

Kelli (36:04.426)
No, so he apparently, so last week on Watch What Happens Live, Tinks, don't, she has a podcast, I'm definitely listening to this, this is probably already tomorrow. She was on Watch What Happens Live, Andy's a big fan of hers, and she did an interview with Jesse, and she said he does not come off well at

Wendy (36:25.063)
Yeah, I want to listen to that also.

Kelli (36:27.342)
But he's also saying he's redeemed at the reunion. But listen, we've heard Teresa Giudice say she's gonna be redeemed every season and she never is. So.

Wendy (36:35.173)
Right. And she also said that she was never going to film again with her sister-in-law. And we know how that went, That's right.

Kelli (36:41.93)
And we sure do. Who was on Family Feud? Not you, Teresa.

Wendy (36:47.995)
I can't wait to find out when that family feud is airing. And who are they playing? Do you even know? Like, the housewives are playing who?

Kelli (36:51.363)
Yeah.

I don't know what the group is, but damn it. I forget her name. She was in Mean Girls. And she was in that show, Big Love. Do you remember that show, Big Love on HBO with Bill Paxton? And he was, he had the different wives. it was such a good show. I forget her name. I'll look it up later.

Wendy (37:17.373)
I never watched it. I never watched it.

Kelli (37:23.768)
but she's in it because Melissa took a picture with her. So I don't know what group. It's not another reality group, reality TV group.

Wendy (37:29.139)
okay. Is it Sydney Sweeney? Is that her name?

Wendy (37:41.821)
was so surprised as to how big their name tags were. Can I just tell you that? I mean, Melissa is so tiny. was like, it covered both of her boobs. It was so big.

Kelli (37:46.465)
I know.

Kelli (37:53.326)
Amanda see see free safari safe read

Wendy (37:59.044)
yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Kelli (38:01.44)
I know I'm not pronouncing that well, but yeah. Yeah, so Melissa was in a picture with her, so I don't know what that could be from. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

Wendy (38:04.978)
Okay.

Wendy (38:08.881)
Okay, so maybe they're playing against them. Maybe it could be like, maybe it could be reality Mean Girls against Mean Girls on the movie. Right?

Kelli (38:17.779)
that would be interesting. Yeah, hopefully Lindsay Lohan's there. She's doing well, yeah.

Wendy (38:23.308)
Mm, that would be fun. Yeah, she is doing well. Good for her.

Kelli (38:27.51)
Yeah. So, Summerhouse, I don't know. I mean, I'm looking forward to the reunion, but you know how I feel. I just think, I just really can't stand Kyle anymore. I'm just over it. He needs to go. Summerhouse just needs to be young people who have great, fun careers and go to the Hamptons and wild out on the weekends.

Wendy (38:51.859)
All right, mean, it definitely needs to be younger. It definitely needs to be a younger crew that's doing this because what is Kyle now, 44? I mean, come on. Oh my gosh.

Kelli (38:52.704)
Emphasis on the young.

Kelli (39:01.87)
I he's 45. But no, I don't know. He said it on one of the episodes or watch what happens live or whatever.

Wendy (39:07.219)
Whatever it is, he's too old to be acting a fool like this. Like he needs to just get his shit together. I agree with that. I totally agree with that. And the funny thing is, is that like he's the one who stirred the whole pot on this episode when he goes down and he's sitting there telling Lexi what was said upstairs. Like.

Kelli (39:23.672)
You know what though? I'm actually gonna give Kyle credit for that. I'm glad he did that because then at the dinner, it actually came out that Jesse said that, and Lexi said, like, this is why I don't trust you, to Sierra. And she's got every reason in the world not to.

Wendy (39:29.266)
too.

Wendy (39:36.847)
Right. Right.

Wendy (39:43.141)
Right, and the look on Sierra's face is like, but I didn't do anything. And that's true, you didn't do anything, but you don't know what he's telling her. And he's manipulating everything.

Kelli (39:52.951)
Right.

Yeah, but now you do know, looking back now, you do know and you're still choosing to spend time with him and ice out Lexi. Like if you don't think Lexi's coming back next season, you're out of your ever loving mind. Lexi is definitely coming back next summer. Lexi, the show should revolve around her next summer with her resume.

Wendy (40:17.403)
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Lexi's definitely coming back.

Yeah, we'll have to wait and see what happens. I'm very curious to see how the reunion, I mean, next week is this actual finale, right? Like there's one more episode and then the reunion. And because this is the last weekend of the summer, but we only got like one half of the day. Like we didn't even get, we didn't get past the dinner. We're still at dinner.

Kelli (40:34.978)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (40:49.718)
Right, so they start filming, I think what, Fourth of July weekend? I think we figured that out one time.

Wendy (40:56.177)
Yeah, well this year they definitely did because they gave us the timeline and they end in, I thought they used to end at Labor Day weekend, they ended in August because then Paged

Kelli (41:05.26)
Yep, so I think we only get like eight episodes, so eight weeks. So you figure 4th of July, you get all of July and pretty much all of August just shy of Labor Day. But Labor Day is normally in September anyway.

Wendy (41:19.251)
Right, but no, think it was earlier, maybe it was the end of August because I thought Paige went to Italy in August.

with Craig. Like she went, well, she went with her family. She went with her family and then Craig met, yes, met them there. And that was in August.

Kelli (41:30.236)
right, right, right. She went with her family and he met them there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe they finished filming and then they went right away.

Wendy (41:38.043)
I don't know.

And she left. It could be. Oh, you know what the other thing, somebody was floating this idea and I thought it was a great idea. A New York City show with Hannah and Paige and Amanda and Sierra and like something with them like, I don't know. I was like, oh, that would be a show I'd watch.

Kelli (42:08.972)
I might not watch it, because I don't particularly like any of

Wendy (42:12.295)
You don't like Hannah. you don't like Paige either, do you?

Kelli (42:15.942)
I gotta be honest with you, right now out of all of them, I probably like Hannah the most. I don't like how Sierra, Amanda, and Paige acted this summer towards Lexi. I just don't. I mean, I don't know why I'm writing so hard for Lexi, but I am. I didn't like Hannah on the show, but I also think she had a tough last season with the whole Luke stuff. I think Luke was leading her on and, you know, he was being a player.

Wendy (42:20.621)
Kelli (42:44.962)
But she's happily married now, so who gives a shit?

Wendy (42:45.105)
Yeah, mean, she's exactly, she's happily married. She's doing fabulous and good for her, you know.

Kelli (42:53.814)
And now feeling the way I do about Kyle, think everything she said about him is probably true. He doesn't treat Amanda well. He doesn't talk to her nicely. I really don't think they'd be together if it weren't for the show. I just don't.

Wendy (43:02.63)
No, he doesn't.

Wendy (43:08.027)
I mean, it's possible.

Kelli (43:09.474)
Their whole relationship has been on that show. It started out as a booty call in the Hamptons. Their whole relationship has been based on this show.

Wendy (43:20.273)
Well, I don't know that it's been based on the show, but it's been a part of the show. We've seen it from the very beginning. Yeah.

Kelli (43:24.79)
No, they've never been together without a show filming around.

Wendy (43:30.493)
This is true.

This is true.

Kelli (43:35.896)
What if?

Wendy (43:35.941)
And interesting, like we didn't really even get their wedding, you know?

Kelli (43:41.656)
They didn't have a separate episode for that?

Wendy (43:44.185)
No, no. We just saw bits and pieces of it. We didn't actually, I don't even think we ever even saw, maybe we saw, we did not see the whole ceremony or anything. We saw bits and pieces of it. We saw Craig and Paige there.

Kelli (43:46.252)
We saw it though.

Bits and pieces.

Kelli (44:01.728)
I feel like we saw, I feel, cause Carl officiated it. I feel like we saw Carl officiating it.

Wendy (44:05.715)
Carl officiated, we saw people arriving. We didn't really see the whole thing. We didn't. It was just a small part of it. I'll have to go back and look and see exactly how much of it we saw, but I know it was not the whole thing because there's so many things that I don't even know what happened. And I know I don't have a good memory, but that kind of stuff I would remember.

Kelli (44:27.992)
Right.

Kelli (44:31.874)
Yeah, I am glad that whatever that thing was floating around that he cheated on her recently, right? Well, like wasn't there like some kind of rumor recently that he was out somewhere? But so I am glad that nothing came of that. I don't think he's a cheater. I just think that he's a Peter Pan.

Wendy (44:43.527)
Yes.

Wendy (44:47.953)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:53.073)
He's definitely a Peter Pan, 100 % agree.

Kelli (44:54.358)
And he's a narcissist and he's self-absorbed and she can do better basically, but she stays because of the show. That's my opinion.

Wendy (45:03.109)
I think she loves him. I actually think she loves him. I don't think she stays because of the show. I actually think she's always loved him. I do, I really do. I think she's always loved him.

Kelli (45:05.774)
I'm sure she does.

Kelli (45:14.85)
Yeah.

well, we'll see. I am looking forward to the reunion because supposedly there's some kind of redemption for Jesse, but...

Wendy (45:25.361)
I like that we got to see her bathing suits. Well, we got to see that she actually has a bathing suit line even though it's not coming out then. I think it came out in the fall, right? So we could... good. Good, good. I'm glad she got that platform to use it, you know, to put it out there.

Kelli (45:25.496)
I don't know.

Yes.

Kelli (45:35.862)
Yeah, but I think they're like sold out. Like I think she did really well with them. Yes, which is awesome.

Kelli (45:46.018)
Me too. Yeah.

Wendy (45:48.229)
And the same thing goes with Carl Softbar. Like I know he still doesn't have the place open yet, but I think he did sign the lease and at least he got to announce it and he's able to at least sell merch and people are at least looking for it, you know?

Kelli (46:02.798)
You know, they're looking for investors and he said you can invest as little as $250. So we whine whenever might want to think about it. Although would that be? I know.

Wendy (46:10.43)
Hmm. Well, we could have... There's a non-alcoholine.

Kelli (46:17.335)
Yes, that is true.

Wendy (46:18.961)
We can have a non-alcoholic wine. It's not about the alcohol. It's about the wine. Yes, we can look into that. Definitely. Yeah, me too. I mean, I have a wine upstairs that should be non-alcoholic. It tastes a little nasty. So I bet you there's a non-alcoholic wine that tastes good. So let's get behind that. Let's get behind that. All right.

Kelli (46:20.973)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:24.832)
Right. That is correct.

Kelli (46:32.49)
Yeah, I think we should, honestly.

Kelli (46:42.316)
I'm sure there is. Yes. Yeah. All right. Sounds good.

Wendy (46:47.911)
So that's it. Yeah. We'll update you next week after we watch the finale. Bye.

Kelli (46:54.264)
Bye.