Love Hotel-Expectations vs. Reality in Dating

Love Hotel-Expectations vs. Reality in Dating

Summary

In this episode of 'We Why Whenever', the hosts discuss the dynamics of relationships showcased in 'The Love Boat'. They explore themes of compatibility, personal growth, and the impact of fashion on self-identity. The conversation delves into the expectations placed on individuals in relationships and reflects on past experiences that shape self-worth. Through humor and insightful commentary, the hosts navigate the complexities of dating and the importance of communication. In this conversation, the hosts delve into the complexities of relationships and dating dynamics as portrayed in reality TV. They discuss various characters' interactions, the awkwardness of first kisses, and the challenges of navigating modern dating. The conversation also touches on the importance of self-awareness and communication in relationships, highlighting the humorous and sometimes uncomfortable moments that arise in social settings. In this episode, the hosts delve into the complexities of relationships, exploring themes of jealousy, group dynamics, and personal vulnerabilities. They discuss the interactions between cast members, highlighting the chemistry and conflicts that arise. The conversation shifts to cooking classes as a bonding activity, revealing insights into the characters' personalities. The hosts also reflect on past relationships, commitment issues, and the challenges of navigating life as a public figure. The episode concludes with a sense of anticipation for future developments and personal growth among the cast.

Takeaways

The importance of being open to new experiences in relationships.
Understanding compatibility in dating is crucial.
Fashion choices can reflect personal style and confidence.
Date dynamics can reveal deeper emotional connections.
Expectations in relationships can lead to misunderstandings.
Self-worth is often tied to past relationship experiences.
Communication is key in navigating relationship challenges.
Personal growth can come from dating experiences.
Understanding one's own needs is essential in relationships.
The impact of societal expectations on personal relationships. The dynamics of relationships can be complex and multifaceted.
Honesty in dating is appreciated, even if it reveals insecurities.
Awkward moments are common in new relationships, especially on camera.
Playing hard to get can be a strategy in dating.
Age differences can influence attraction and compatibility.
Self-awareness is crucial in navigating social interactions.
Friendship dynamics can impact romantic relationships.
Priorities in relationships often vary between individuals.
Communication is key to understanding each other's needs.
Reality TV often highlights the humorous side of dating and relationships. Navigating jealousy is crucial in relationships.
Group dynamics can reveal hidden chemistry.
Cooking classes serve as a unique bonding experience.
Vulnerability is essential for personal connections.
Red flags in relationships should not be ignored.
Shannon's life is complex and multifaceted.
Commitment issues can hinder relationship progress.
Personal struggles can shape one's identity.
Reflections on past relationships can inform future choices.
Future prospects should focus on personal growth.

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• 10:34 (Cont.) Love Hotel-Expectations vs. Reality in Dating

Transcript

Lori (00:01.264)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, this is Lori.

Wendy (00:04.91)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:05.746)
and I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:07.564)
And we are doing episode six. It's called The Love Boat from The Love Hotel. So we shall see what's going on with all the girls and the guys. We start out where we see Shannon and Earl holding hands and talking about boats. And then Ashley is talking to her girls on the phone, showing them the pool.

Then we pan to Mitch, Giselle, and Theo. I kind of like the Theo. What do you guys think?

Kelli (00:43.914)
He's the doctor that runs with the bulls, right?

Lori (00:45.805)
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Kelli (00:48.094)
I like him too.

Lori (00:49.906)
Wendy's met the Mets. Wendy's not loving him. Okay. Okay. Okay. And, uh, yeah, but you like him. Yeah. Um, so Mitch asked Giselle what she has found out about herself since she's been on the show. I thought that was a great question. A great question, right? She says she didn't know what to expect coming here. Um, so being open and learning, get to know men.

Wendy (00:50.668)
loving him yeah yeah no no

Kelli (00:55.968)
don't know if I see him and Giselle together, but I like them.

Wendy (00:59.533)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:11.05)
Great question.

Wendy (01:13.793)
Absolutely.

Lori (01:19.91)
that she could potentially be with for the rest of her life. And she says, you got to be ready for that. But I thought that was interesting because I don't necessarily know that she's really there. I don't know. So I don't know. Maybe not. Okay. And then Theo throws in a statistic that black women married to white men have the lowest divorce rate.

Kelli (01:31.124)
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Wendy (01:33.27)
Maybe she doesn't know that yet. Right?

Lori (01:48.206)
And Gisele likes that since she previously asked him a question about dating black women. And then he did some research and then, so she kind of liked that. She said, well, I like a man who does some research.

Kelli (02:01.482)
liked it too.

Wendy (02:02.828)
That I did like. I will give him...

Kelli (02:05.034)
did that research, especially since he had never dated a black woman before. Like, like he went all in.

Wendy (02:06.775)
I do too.

Lori (02:06.776)
Nyaa!

Wendy (02:10.59)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I give him points. Yeah.

Lori (02:12.806)
Yeah, well, he's a smarty. Yeah, he's a smarty. So what comes next?

Let's see. and then everybody gets together. The cast is all assembled with Joel and Theo and Mark have the same wooden necklace. I don't know if you guys noticed that. They must have went island shopping together.

Kelli (02:39.252)
I didn't notice that.

Wendy (02:39.426)
I did not.

Wendy (02:43.554)
It was the beads. I noticed the beads on Mark, but I did not notice them on Theo. That's funny.

Lori (02:48.466)
Yeah. So they have, so they must've went like.

Kelli (02:49.194)
That is funny. James was wearing an interesting necklace too.

Lori (02:54.586)
I believe he has this one that's similar, probably from like the same vendor. But can tell they went like, yeah, island shopping together. it's hysterical. I thought that was really funny.

Kelli (03:00.244)
There must be a gift shop in the hotel or something.

Wendy (03:00.334)
you

Lori (03:10.13)
So Mark has on another vest. I can't take it.

Wendy (03:15.212)
Like, he not own a shirt? Does Mark not own a shirt?

Kelli (03:15.338)
macrame.

Kelli (03:19.402)
Well, it's just so interesting, because then we learn that he typically dates younger women. And I'm like, what younger woman is it?

Lori (03:25.242)
Mm-hmm. Is digging that with the rest.

No. One word. One word. No.

Wendy (03:31.566)
I know, no, no is right.

Kelli (03:33.082)
No, I mean, he's in great shape. He really is in great shape, but I don't know.

Wendy (03:41.198)
No, I agree. We don't need to see that. Seriously, we don't. Put a shirt on. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no, not a guinea tee either. Neither.

Lori (03:43.353)
No, no, no.

Kelli (03:43.442)
No, I'd prefer like a guinea tee over that any day.

Lori (03:47.206)
Yeah.

Lori (03:51.13)
Neither, yeah. So, yeah. So anyway, yes. Mark tells us that he's upping his game and James looks quite nervous. So Joel tells them they're to go on a one-on-one date on a boat and they need to ask their date right now. And I noticed that Ashley changed her hair part to the middle and I like it better in the middle.

Wendy (03:52.622)
That's underwear.

Kelli (03:56.136)
It's underwear that's fun to wear.

Wendy (03:57.762)
you

Kelli (04:04.766)
Mm-hmm

Kelli (04:21.556)
I love Ashley's hair curly.

Lori (04:24.282)
it's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

Wendy (04:24.674)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (04:25.436)
I love her hair curly. She should always wear it curly. looks so good. I mean, I know she likes to switch it up, but she's got great curly hair. Like I don't know what product she uses, but it's good.

Lori (04:29.661)
it's beautiful.

Lori (04:33.672)
it's beautiful girl here.

It's good, yeah. And I like to part it in the middle. Gisele goes first and she asks Theo, Janet, mean Shannon asks Earl, and Joel asks who amongst the Ashley verse is going to go to sea with her today? That's pretty funny. And she picks Ralph. says she hasn't been on a date with him yet. And

Kelli (04:59.296)
Mmm.

Lori (05:07.516)
Then we cut to like her confessional and she tells us that she has done a kissing bootcamp with her ex-husband. So I was like, well, okay.

Wendy (05:16.45)
I know that was interesting.

Kelli (05:18.238)
Yeah, So I guess he sucked in the beginning and then she like fixed it.

Lori (05:24.022)
She, I don't know, she tuned them up. Yeah. So she said they come in giving Lizard and they exit giving romance novels. So I guess Ashley Darby is quite the teacher. let's see. Luann picks Mark, says she feels bonded with James, but Mark came all the way back to try and get a date with her.

Wendy (05:24.174)
I guess so.

Kelli (05:26.91)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:35.886)
Hahahaha

Lori (05:51.538)
It's so weird how he like ran over and jumped on her.

Kelli (05:56.468)
Marked it.

Lori (05:57.458)
Yeah, Mark did. When she gave us, yeah, when she picked them and gave them the date, it was like, what are you doing?

Wendy (06:00.096)
When she picked him.

Kelli (06:02.314)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (06:04.461)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:07.124)
Yeah, way to show some enthusiasm.

Wendy (06:07.354)
I think he was doing it just to kind put it in James' face because James has been so possessive of her. Like, I think he's like, okay, James, look who she picked. I think that's what that was about.

Kelli (06:12.448)
Mm.

Mm-hmm. I agree with that. I agree with that

Lori (06:15.078)
Yes, weirdly. Weirdly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You're probably right. And did you see Wale? He was like, dude, get the fuck off me. And like, he like gets up and so he can sit there. But he was just like, what are you doing? He was freaked out. was funny.

Kelli (06:20.606)
Yeah.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Kelli (06:34.592)
Fuck.

you

Lori (06:39.206)
Yeah, I thought that was funny. then, and then Mark sits next to Luann and he gives her like a weird like sniff. Did you catch that? It was weird. Like he goes up to, yeah, he like snuggles up to her neck and like gives her like a sniff. I was like, what are you Joe Biden? What are you doing? Weird. It was weird. Yeah.

Kelli (06:48.874)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (06:49.782)
I didn't catch that.

Wendy (06:59.742)
That's weird. That's weird.

Kelli (07:02.944)
The sniff is never a good thing. Let's just rule the sniff right out. Guys. Right, right, right. I mean, the lizard kiss, sometimes you can't help that. They just can't help it. But the sniff, you can help. You're well aware if you're sniffing.

Wendy (07:05.259)
No, no.

Lori (07:06.286)
No. No sniff, no lizard. Okay?

I just.

Yeah, yeah. So.

Yes.

So, oh, I need your help here, guys, because Luanne says he reminds her of guys she used to date, and then production flashes back to a picture of two guys side by side.

Wendy (07:33.294)
Tom and was it Harry Dubin? It was definitely Tom.

Kelli (07:41.248)
Was Tom, was it Harry Dubin? No, I feel like it was some, it wasn't Jock, was it?

Lori (07:43.845)
And so.

I don't know. was two guys side by side that production flashed back to.

Wendy (07:46.826)
I don't know. No, I don't think it was.

Wendy (07:53.35)
They were just New Yorkers. Jacques wasn't a New Yorker. I don't think it could have been him. was Tom and somebody else. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (07:53.372)
I forget.

Now he wasn't, you're right. It had probably had to be Harry.

Lori (08:02.96)
Yeah. And then Ashley hugs Wale and asks him if he's going to have a good afternoon. I guess while she's gone making out with Ralph.

Wendy (08:11.128)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:12.458)
Listen, Wale is gonna be just fine. He's at this, you know, beautiful resort and the drinks are flowing and food is at your disposal. Wale is gonna be just fine, Ashley.

Wendy (08:15.842)
Yes he is.

Lori (08:16.168)
yeah.

Wendy (08:20.621)
Yes.

Lori (08:27.282)
Absolutely.

Wendy (08:27.456)
I agree.

Lori (08:30.372)
And then they go out on the boat and Gisele sits next to Theo and the boat's like a little bit rocky and he reassures her that the captain will steady the boat. It's like, look at you, so cute. And then the deckhand comes out to announce, you know, the boat is docked, you can swim, there's food. He's got like a baseball cap on backwards. I was like, bro, you're working on a yacht. what?

Kelli (08:42.784)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (08:57.823)
Yeah.

Lori (08:58.662)
You're not in your backyard at a barbecue.

Kelli (09:01.77)
Yeah. That would not fly on below deck, by the way. There would be no backward baseball caps. And if you're serving, you're in your blacks.

Wendy (09:04.406)
No. Nope.

The captain would shut that down.

Lori (09:07.75)
Now!

I that was cool.

Wendy (09:13.538)
That's right.

Lori (09:14.032)
Yeah. And guess what Mark has on on the boat.

Wendy (09:21.495)
A vest.

Lori (09:22.372)
a shirt like a shirt vest. was like, he's like, what, what, what?

Wendy (09:25.506)
Yeah, but a vest. Another vest. Just a vest.

Kelli (09:29.588)
this nonetheless.

Wendy (09:34.542)
Poor Mark, you can't get him.

Lori (09:36.444)
So everyone's.

Kelli (09:37.994)
But did he have his wrap Palazzo pants on?

Wendy (09:41.034)
No, he did not.

Lori (09:41.316)
No, no, I don't believe he had those. No, no, not a of pants. No.

Kelli (09:42.356)
He was not wearing his Aladdin pants.

Wendy (09:47.052)
But what about poor Earl with his shirt all open on the boat and joining himself and Shannon just not being able to get it together? I don't know if I can, I don't know. Like that's really bothering me. Listen, I actually understand what she was saying. It would have bothered me too. But think about it. In the big scheme of things, like it's not a big deal. Let him have his.

Kelli (10:09.448)
Right, let them live. Just let them live. Right.

Lori (10:10.898)
Like if that's the worst thing he does.

Wendy (10:14.39)
Right. And let it, listen, he's fine with it. Like you're the only one that has, well, I mean, probably other people had a problem with it too. Yes, exactly.

Kelli (10:24.615)
that's what she was worried about.

Lori (10:27.056)
Yeah. So maybe Shannon's too uptight for Earl.

Wendy (10:33.774)
Well, she does say.

Kelli (10:34.034)
I just can't believe that she's like so zoned in on him and not like she's really not even trying with anybody else.

Wendy (10:41.878)
No, she's not. She did say that she's not sure if she can date a simple man, like if a simple man is the right man for her. So.

Lori (10:49.074)
Yeah, she said, can Earl fit into her life acting like this? I mean, she's got quite the stick up her ass though.

Kelli (10:49.406)
Right.

Wendy (10:55.799)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:59.188)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:59.894)
Well, this is all she knows though. You know, she's been with very controlling men and she is very conservative in her dress in the way that she presents herself. She's very conservative. So that's all she knows. You know?

Lori (11:11.962)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:14.783)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Lori (11:17.687)
But I don't think he was like, I don't think anything that he's done so far has been.

that bad, like as bad as she makes it out to be. And then you look at what she's been with already and you try and like put them on the scale and you're like, girl, what it, like it's not.

Kelli (11:37.866)
Yeah, like he's kind, he's respectful, he's not verbally abusing you. Like maybe you should, yeah, like maybe you should give this a shot. you know, maybe he's simple, sure, but he's not a douchebag either, so maybe give that a try.

Wendy (11:44.792)
Right.

Lori (11:45.124)
Right, so he doesn't eat vegetables and eat like...

Lori (11:58.234)
No, he seems like he's a good man. You know, and sometimes that's more important than the money or the polish or the napkin on the lap.

Kelli (12:01.406)
Night.

Kelli (12:11.924)
Well, when you don't have money, it's easy to feel that way.

Lori (12:15.694)
Yeah, I guess.

Kelli (12:17.332)
But when you do have money, maybe you look at it a little differently.

Lori (12:21.757)
Maybe.

Wendy (12:22.734)
I think Earl must have money if he said he wants to open up some adult daycares and some assisted livings. That's not cheap.

Kelli (12:26.878)
Yeah. Yeah.

No, it's not cheap. And it's not an easy market to get into either. I mean, maybe down there it is, but not up here.

Lori (12:31.482)
No, and if he's not on the show...

Wendy (12:35.114)
Right, right.

Lori (12:35.334)
No.

Wendy (12:39.178)
No, I'm sure it's not anywhere because it's all about insurance. Right?

Lori (12:39.303)
No.

Kelli (12:42.278)
Right. Yeah.

Lori (12:43.204)
Yeah. And if he was, you know, vetted to be on the show, they don't put any Broke-de-Brokes on there.

Wendy (12:49.666)
I wouldn't think so.

Kelli (12:49.768)
Right. That's the other thing. They're not casting anybody to suit these women, to pursue these women who don't have something in the bank, something to offer. Yeah, that's true. Good point.

Lori (12:53.062)
Yeah.

Lori (13:01.415)
Yeah!

Wendy (13:01.664)
Right. Right. But she didn't say anything about money. She just said a simple, you know, she did. She never mentioned the money. I just think she's used to one, the conservative control freak. She's not used to the simple man who walks around with his shirt open and doesn't eat vegetables. You know, like, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (13:08.488)
No, no, but-

Kelli (13:17.118)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:23.656)
Right, and it's easygoing and like, not blasé, but you know, like lets things roll off and you know, yeah.

Lori (13:26.204)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:31.534)
She's not used to that. She doesn't know that.

Kelli (13:33.727)
Yeah.

Lori (13:34.62)
Wow, that's.

Wendy (13:35.03)
I mean, what's her father's nickname? What's her dad's nickname?

Kelli (13:39.168)
What is her dad's nickname?

Wendy (13:41.427)
Why can't I think of that?

Yeah, because he's a, like her dad's a player. she, like, she knows, she knows what that is. What is his name?

Kelli (13:47.562)
Yeah.

Lori (13:55.858)
I don't know, but did you see where, uh, I didn't know this about Luanne always thought about a third kid. Do you hear her say that? Oh, jeez. Oh boy.

Wendy (14:02.39)
No. That's it. Jean the machine. Yep. Jean the machine. So no wonder she's looking at Earl the Pearl.

Kelli (14:02.4)
Gene the Machine

That's her dad's nickname.

Kelli (14:11.904)
Fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Would you say, Lord, before I cut you off?

Lori (14:15.302)
Bye.

Wendy (14:16.525)
you

Lori (14:19.654)
That's right. was no, no, no, I was just talking about Loanne. She was having a conversation with Mark and asked him why a guy like him is still single. And he said his last girlfriend wanted to have kids and he already has five. And Loanne said she always thought about a third, but it never happened.

Kelli (14:38.528)
But it was interesting that she said that, like I look at Victoria and Noelle and I think something's missing, a third is missing. But that was interesting that she said that.

Lori (14:46.746)
Yeah. Maybe she always wanted to have three kids, it just didn't ever... Yeah.

Wendy (14:48.909)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:51.09)
Maybe she did always want to have three. Yeah. I do, we've said it before. I do feel bad for Luanne because I do think she was in love with the count. I think she was in love with her life and then he wanted an open marriage and I don't think she did. And it's, that's too difficult to sustain.

Wendy (15:10.858)
I agree. I mean that that's what happened with Ashley and her husband too. Right? I mean

Lori (15:10.918)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:12.115)
I feel bad.

Kelli (15:16.264)
Right, right, like I think those two women would have been perfectly happy just being with their husbands and, you know, living the rest of their lives and unfortunately their husbands weren't satisfied with that. That sucks, yeah.

Wendy (15:19.982)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:26.646)
Right. I agree with that. I agree with that.

Lori (15:30.076)
Which is a shame because they're both absolutely drop dead, gorgeous, vivacious, smart, energetic, entertaining women that

Kelli (15:35.296)
Gorgeous.

Wendy (15:42.541)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:42.802)
Yeah, yeah, it's like, how come that's not enough? You have to wonder, why was I not enough? And I'm all these things. And that's hurtful to your self-esteem.

Lori (15:46.458)
Yeah.

Lori (15:51.216)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Lori (15:56.54)
But in reality, it's what's lacking in them.

Kelli (16:00.362)
Sure. Yeah, it's not a her problem, that's a he problem.

Wendy (16:01.118)
definitely.

Lori (16:02.958)
So, no, no, no.

Wendy (16:04.395)
I mean, Giselle even mentioned about being married to a pastor, what was expected of her to be the first lady of the church. And listen, I think she was the first lady of the church and he was at the dog. She lived up to her end of it, but he did not. Yes.

Lori (16:08.786)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (16:12.668)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:17.776)
for sure. Yeah. But she had to keep her mouth shut and a straight face and yeah, and he was probably out messing around and she just had to get up there and smile every week at the congregation. That's a lot.

Lori (16:21.138)
But he did not.

and toe the line.

Wendy (16:31.203)
Yeah.

Yep, but you know what, you have three daughters, you get to a point where you're like, you know what, I don't want them to think this is okay. This is not what I want for my daughters, right?

Kelli (16:42.624)
Right.

Lori (16:42.96)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:45.438)
Right, right, of course. You don't want them to think that that's acceptable behavior from your spouse.

Lori (16:46.108)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:49.45)
Right, right.

So yeah, it's interesting.

Kelli (16:53.184)
Yeah.

Lori (16:56.85)
So then we go to a conversation between Giselle, Theo, Shannon and Earl. And Giselle asks Theo, how do you feel about that we don't have much time? And it was interesting because I'm like, well, she asked about like that in general, because they're older or she just saying we don't have much time here on the show. Trying to figure it out. Yeah.

Kelli (17:18.43)
I took it as on the show.

Wendy (17:20.246)
I took it as on the show also. I mean, they're not that old. Right.

Kelli (17:22.302)
Yeah, like we're probably gonna have to go back and I'm gonna have to decide if I'm sending your ass home or not.

Lori (17:22.61)
Thank

Lori (17:27.386)
Right. And he answers, think I'm just living in the actual moment for real. which it was a good answer. And in reality, that is a very hard thing to do because you're always thinking about mistakes you made in your past and you're always worrying about your future. So, and then we cut to a confessional with Luann and Ashley.

Wendy (17:35.256)
That was a good answer.

Kelli (17:36.618)
That was a great answer.

Kelli (17:48.224)
for sure.

Lori (17:54.928)
And Ashley says, Thea was handsome. And Luanne says, from being a nurse, that for her, just doctors don't have enough time.

Kelli (18:05.15)
Yeah, that was interesting that she said that. And you know who I thought about? Delores is David on New Jersey.

Wendy (18:05.23)
Yes.

Wendy (18:12.942)
He got married.

Kelli (18:15.882)
David did?

Wendy (18:17.294)
Yeah, I think he did. Or, I mean, wasn't he dating one of Louis' exes?

Kelli (18:23.752)
He was dating one of Louis' exes, but I didn't think he got married. I don't think so, I could be wrong though. I'd be shocked. I'd be shocked if that guy got married.

Wendy (18:26.864)
they didn't get married? Okay, maybe he didn't. I could be wrong too.

I could be wrong.

Lori (18:36.528)
Yeah. And then, really? No, we met him.

Kelli (18:37.236)
I know somebody who met him and they said he was a dick.

Wendy (18:40.3)
Married a who?

Kelli (18:42.13)
I know somebody who met David at something and they said he was a dick. I said, I could say it. Yeah.

Wendy (18:45.18)
okay.

Wendy (18:50.846)
I could see it too.

Lori (18:54.236)
So Ashley says maybe a busy doctor like Theo does peak Gisele's interest because she has his own thing going on.

Ashley says in her confessional about Ralph that they're similar because they're both, you know, have their kids already. So she's kind of talking about him, trying to figure out what she's going to do with him. And then Gisele and Ralph are talking. She asks if when they leave, can he see himself at her house in her world? And, I don't know, so sorry. Gisele and Earl are talking.

And yeah, yeah, he can see herself in Shannon's house in her world. And Earl says, he really doesn't know what our life is. And he goes, I guess she eats out a lot. Giselle said, she's super fancy. She's expensive.

Kelli (19:35.326)
Right, she asked Earl that.

Wendy (19:49.26)
you

It's right. That's what yes. Yes. Right.

Kelli (19:52.084)
Yeah. And he said, I never dated an expensive woman before. I mean, listen, I love that he's honest about that. Like, I feel like he's taking this seriously.

Lori (19:56.474)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:59.31)
I do too.

Lori (19:59.844)
huh.

Lori (20:03.958)
yeah, most definitely.

Kelli (20:05.362)
You know, he's not like James where he's like, you're my girlfriend. Like that's ridiculous.

Lori (20:08.976)
Yeah. No. Weird. Yeah. Weird.

Wendy (20:10.272)
And I love you.

Kelli (20:11.76)
Yeah, I mean, come on. I love you. Stop it right now.

Wendy (20:15.747)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:17.62)
He's got major pick me energy.

Wendy (20:19.566)
I have a real problem with him. James, no, no, no.

Lori (20:21.82)
So, yeah. So we see Mark in the wind, do a little kissing on the boat. And in confessional, she says there's some chemistry and she wants to feel Mark out and maybe not move so fast with James. So we shall see. Yeah, we're so late on it.

Kelli (20:39.274)
Well, I think after last night.

Kelli (20:44.307)
You

Wendy (20:44.406)
I thought the kissing was very awkward.

Kelli (20:47.304)
I did too, between Mark and Luann. I did too. I mean, in their defense, I'm glad he kissed her because you know that's what she wanted, and you're on camera and it's your first kiss with somebody. So chances are it's gonna be a little awkward, but yeah, didn't, know, mean, Ashley's kisses do not seem awkward.

Lori (20:48.26)
It was awkward. Yeah, it was awkward.

Wendy (20:49.142)
Yes! Yes!

Wendy (20:56.046)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Lori (21:06.29)
No. No. And I guess you're on a boat full of people. I don't know.

Wendy (21:06.54)
No, no, they don't.

Kelli (21:11.104)
Yeah, it's like just an awkward, yeah, like when Ashley kissed her guys, like she was away from everybody, there wasn't like an audience, you know? So maybe that's where the awkwardness came in, I don't know.

Wendy (21:21.836)
I don't know.

Lori (21:21.938)
Wendy (21:24.898)
I think it's interesting though when they got back from the boat, Ashley went up to Wale and invited him back to her room. I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

Lori (21:24.946)
So,

Kelli (21:33.352)
I did too.

Lori (21:34.29)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:41.556)
I think she's just trying to figure it out, I guess, but I do feel like, I mean, I guess she's playing a game because she's on a show where you're trying to pick somebody. So it is kind of a game show.

Wendy (21:53.248)
Yeah, she's playing hard. She really is.

Kelli (21:54.846)
She's playing hard and maybe she's moving so quickly between the two. But like she said on Macho Happens Live, like I didn't know what I was gonna be walking into the next scene. Joel could be like, you gotta send somebody home. So maybe that's why she's moving so quickly. But I do kind of feel bad for Wale.

Wendy (22:00.578)
Yes.

Wendy (22:11.138)
Yeah.

I do too! I do too!

Lori (22:15.334)
You know, maybe, maybe she really does have feelings for both of them and is trying to figure it out.

Wendy (22:20.014)
think she does. I do think she does. just like, I just think like Kelly said, it's very quick. And like Wale said in our previous episode, like you didn't even brush your teeth in between. It's like, mm, yeah, I don't like that, right?

Kelli (22:26.517)
Yeah.

Lori (22:34.162)
Mm, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (22:36.618)
I know, yeah, totally.

Lori (22:40.218)
And then we see Luann kisses James and says she missed him. then Ashley and Wale are sitting together and she asked him, you know, they're in her hotel room and she asked him what his life is like at home.

Wendy (22:56.11)
Yeah, I like that.

Kelli (22:57.088)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (22:57.284)
Yeah. And she says she could really see Wale being a real partner for her. So I don't know.

Kelli (23:06.27)
I wonder if they're similar in age. They are? They're similar.

Wendy (23:08.376)
They are. yeah. Yeah, they're like two years apart, I think.

Lori (23:09.296)
I think that they are, yeah.

Kelli (23:12.552)
Okay, is he older?

Lori (23:13.49)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:14.668)
I think he might be, I think, is he 38 and she's 36 or vice versa? Yeah, he's, yeah, I think he's 38.

Lori (23:17.348)
I think so. Yes, yes, yes, I think so.

Kelli (23:17.822)
Okay. Okay. See to me, like that's like a nice fit, but that's probably because that's how I've always rolled, you know.

Lori (23:22.863)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:22.955)
Yeah.

Right. Right. But that's not how she's rolled.

Lori (23:27.89)
Right.

Kelli (23:31.1)
Exactly, exactly. So for her, Ralph is a very, to me, I'd be like, I'm not, at 36, I'm not gonna be attracted to a 61 year old man. I might think he's handsome, but I'm not gonna be like, let me get with it. But for her, that's how she rolls.

Lori (23:31.822)
No.

Wendy (23:45.581)
Right.

Lori (23:50.364)
So did you see when James said, I forget who he was talking to, like, he says, yeah, Luann loves me. She's just being nice to Mark.

Kelli (24:01.332)
I think were they sitting at the table at that point? They were sitting at the table and Giselle was there, right? Yeah. Yeah, that was, yeah.

Lori (24:03.172)
Yeah, some- yeah.

Wendy (24:04.141)
Yes.

Wendy (24:07.842)
Yes, yes. And you see the look on everyone's face when he said that? They're like, hmm.

Lori (24:07.877)
Yeah

Lori (24:11.629)
huh. huh.

Kelli (24:14.912)
No, she just took him out on a date. Think she's doing more than being nice to him.

Wendy (24:18.167)
Yeah.

Lori (24:21.138)
And then Joel says he has some special guests.

Kelli (24:25.3)
This was good. This was a nice twist.

Lori (24:26.32)
Yeah, this was a nice choice. I liked it. So we see Shannon's daughters come, Giselle's hairstylist Cal comes, Ashley's friend Brant comes, who's called Big Daddy B. Okay.

Wendy (24:27.192)
I love this. I love this. Yeah.

Wendy (24:44.674)
Which is weird. And you know what's really weird about that? Like we've seen Cal many times with Gisele. We've never seen Brant before. Yep, I'm like, this is weird.

Lori (24:45.722)
Yeah, it was weird.

Kelli (24:49.064)
Yeah, we've never seen Brandt. I thought the same thing, Wendy.

Lori (24:54.738)
I don't know. I don't know. And then Luann has Cynthia Bailey.

Kelli (24:54.997)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:59.436)
Yes, love that.

Kelli (25:00.906)
So me too, and at first I was like, she's bringing Cynthia on so that they can line Cynthia up for the next season. However, then I watched Atlanta and she is still with Amsterdam. And I know they blurred out his face, but he looks good even with a blurred out face. So.

Wendy (25:15.022)
You can see him on the after show. They show him. Watch the Atlanta after show. Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (25:17.568)
I will, because I'm very curious. And she said he's younger than her.

Wendy (25:23.828)
he's in his thirties. She talks about him all the time on Humblebrag. Yep. Yep. She is. Yes. Yeah. She talks about him all the time. All the time. Yeah.

Kelli (25:25.882)
Stop. So there's like a 20 year difference. God bless her.

Lori (25:31.868)
Wow.

Kelli (25:35.658)
God bless her. good, I'm gonna watch the after show so I can get a good peek at Amsterdam.

Wendy (25:40.428)
Yeah, yeah, he's not what you think. She's absolutely right. Not what you think.

Kelli (25:43.902)
Yeah, so that's not, so my theory went right out the window.

Wendy (25:47.19)
He's a musician. He's got long dreads. Like he's not what you would think. I mean, he's good looking. He's very good looking and tall. He's very tall. But she's very tall. So yeah.

Kelli (25:50.302)
Yeah.

All right. Of course. That's what I'm.

Lori (26:02.194)
So Joel says the BFFs, that's what he's calling the special guests, will be choosing the dates and going on the dates. So I thought, this is going to be fun.

Wendy (26:06.773)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:12.824)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:15.007)
Yeah.

Lori (26:16.888)
So Giselle's friend asks Cal,

He asked Theo, how do you find love in a couple of weeks? And he said, you got to put yourself out there and hopefully the universe gives you something back. Then he meets Phil and he pegs him that he is into fashion, which I was like.

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you got it?

Kelli (26:46.088)
I got it. Yeah, I got it. He's wearing those matching ensembles. Yeah, I get it. I get it.

Lori (26:51.442)
okay, okay, okay.

Wendy (26:53.89)
What, you don't think Phil's into fashion?

Lori (26:56.619)
I don't know, I just wouldn't have necessarily thought that of him. you did?

Wendy (27:00.988)
yes, I definitely, yes, he's very well put together. Actually, almost too well put together. Okay. Which why I would think Cal would know that.

Kelli (27:05.226)
Yeah, that's what I-

Lori (27:05.379)
Okay.

Lori (27:09.296)
huh, huh, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm with you on that one,

Kelli (27:09.642)
I agree with you.

Kelli (27:15.462)
I agree with that.

Lori (27:20.422)
Yeah, the radar.

Wendy (27:22.152)
Yes, I would think, but you know, he picked what Gisele wanted him to pick. Let's be real.

Lori (27:26.0)
I don't know.

most definitely, yeah.

Wendy (27:30.956)
Right? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (27:32.596)
He picked Phil, right? Yeah.

Lori (27:34.713)
yeah.

Kelli (27:36.99)
He's like, he has a house in Bel Air. We're gonna go with Phil.

Lori (27:40.818)
We're going to go with Phil. Call me up when you go for a ride in the Rolls Royce. Yeah.

Wendy (27:40.972)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (27:46.473)
Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (27:47.18)
Yes, I think he actually said that, right? Didn't he actually say that?

Kelli (27:50.004)
Yeah.

Lori (27:50.832)
did he?

Lori (27:54.546)
So then Earl sits down with Shannon's daughters and they ask about his life in Georgia and where does he see himself in 10 years. And that's when he talks about opening, he wants to open a few geriatric daycare centers and an assisted living facility, which I thought was very nice.

Kelli (27:56.094)
and spotting.

Kelli (28:19.263)
Yeah.

Lori (28:21.074)
And then Giselle goes to test Theo and Phil and she says, rank these things in importance to you, food, sleep and sex. Mr. Belair says sex, food, sleep. Giselle says sex, sleep, food. And Theo doesn't answer really, but he says, oh, I can go without sleep. And then Cal chimes in and says, sleep is very important to Giselle. She's in bed at eight o'clock.

Wendy (28:39.662)
Food, right.

Lori (28:51.538)
930, yeah.

Wendy (28:51.596)
And she corrected him, said 9.30. Sleep. Sleep. mean, sleep. mean, well, for me, honestly, mean, food, needed to sustain life. even though I'm not a big foodie, I don't need sex to sustain life. I'm going.

Kelli (28:53.856)
she did. So where do you guys lay on that?

Lori (28:58.21)
okay. Well, yeah.

Kelli (29:03.808)
sleep first for sure.

Lori (29:05.458)
sleep first. So sorry people.

Kelli (29:08.384)
That's a close second on the other toe.

Kelli (29:14.324)
Yeah.

Lori (29:14.768)
Right.

Lori (29:19.569)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:22.382)
Sleep food sex. That's my order.

Kelli (29:23.071)
Yeah.

Lori (29:26.95)
Yep, I'm with you. So sorry. So sorry. Love you, hon.

Wendy (29:29.518)
you

Kelli (29:30.612)
might be this name. I know the second two are really a close second.

Wendy (29:38.35)
Yeah, you are younger.

Lori (29:39.558)
Well, you're younger too, Kelly.

Kelli (29:43.24)
I'll give it to, I'll go sleep sex food. But I do love food. I do love food.

Wendy (29:45.825)
Okay.

Lori (29:46.652)
There you go. It's Joe at your age.

Wendy (29:48.838)
Hehehehehe

Lori (29:53.06)
Okay, so now Big Daddy Brandt, Big Daddy B talks with Ralph and Wale and is asking them their ages and he chuckles when Ralph says 61. Did you guys see that? then him and Wale are the same age. And Ashley asks Wale how he would feel about...

Kelli (29:57.536)
My daddy pig.

Wendy (29:58.286)
you

Wendy (30:08.458)
Yes, I did.

Kelli (30:08.607)
Yes.

Kelli (30:15.37)
that's right. That's right.

Wendy (30:16.855)
Yes.

Lori (30:24.062)
no, Brant asks Wale how he would feel about being a stepdad. And he says, it depends on the kids. Like, do they like me? Yeah.

Wendy (30:34.722)
Right. Which is an honest answer.

Kelli (30:35.614)
It, honest answer and he's absolutely right. He's absolutely right. You can't be a stepdad to kids who don't like you or respect you or, know.

Lori (30:39.59)
Right.

Lori (30:43.666)
Yeah. And Ralph says you have to work it out organically. And then she wants, Ashley wants to play this or that.

And so she wants to play this or that. So she says mountain or beach. And Wale says mountain. Ashley says beach. Ralph says beach. And then Big Daddy B says, how about a really great date night or really, really great sex? And I was surprised that Ashley said really great date night. Yeah.

Kelli (31:21.556)
I was surprised too.

Wendy (31:24.371)
I wasn't surprised because she can get sex anytime she wants.

Lori (31:28.7)
Well, there you go.

Kelli (31:29.428)
but not great sex.

Wendy (31:31.765)
I mean...

Lori (31:33.126)
Well, you keep trying until you get to one that's great.

Kelli (31:35.826)
Yeah, but if you're guaranteed one or the other, you're guaranteed great sex. You gotta take it.

Wendy (31:36.108)
Yeah!

Lori (31:42.0)
No, great, great.

Wendy (31:42.488)
But I don't know. Great sex is just great sex. A great date can lead to something else. I don't know. I would pick a great date. What would you pick? guess. What would you pick, Kel? Okay.

Kelli (31:48.584)
It's just a great date. So get great sex!

Lori (31:56.786)
I would pick a great day too.

Kelli (32:00.778)
Great text.

Lori (32:02.564)
Alright, well, Kelly's horny, so okay, great. Great for you.

Kelli (32:04.576)
mean, who's gonna have sex if it's not gonna be great? Why do you wanna have sex if it's not gonna be great?

Wendy (32:10.702)
I don't know.

Kelli (32:10.792)
Although why would you want to go on a date if it's not gonna be great either? I see your point. I see your point.

Lori (32:13.536)
Yeah, just come on.

Wendy (32:15.51)
I mean, like Ashley said, what is sex? Three minutes. Right? I mean, even if it's great, right? I mean, what...

Kelli (32:20.798)
I mean, you hope it's a little longer,

That is true. That is true.

Lori (32:27.698)
Hmmmm

Wendy (32:27.702)
Alright.

Lori (32:32.676)
And then we go with Cynthia and Luanna Mark. And Cynthia asks Mark what he does. And we find out he restores Brownstones in New York City. He does not have one of us.

Kelli (32:44.8)
I didn't realize he lived in New York City. I didn't realize that. he really, it's, cause I was like, why are they bringing this guy back? But it makes sense. Cause he really is kind of a good fit for Luan.

Wendy (32:49.047)
I did. I did. Yeah.

Lori (32:49.144)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:00.45)
Yeah, but she's done the New York guy and that's her issue with it. Like she's done that New York guy and he is a tried and true New Yorker.

Kelli (33:02.504)
Right. Right. And that's what she said. Yeah.

Lori (33:09.169)
yes he is.

Kelli (33:09.182)
And for these women, I guess logistics, it's not, you you'll figure it out.

Wendy (33:14.732)
Well, Luanne is a world traveler.

Kelli (33:16.646)
Exactly. Right.

Lori (33:17.468)
So what difference does make? Yeah.

Wendy (33:18.881)
Right.

Lori (33:21.956)
And then she asked when his last relationship was, and he said over a year ago, and she asked how old the girl was, and he said a little younger. Yeah, yes, most definitely hesitated.

Wendy (33:33.976)
but he hesitated and Luanne did not like the hesitation.

Kelli (33:35.956)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (33:40.199)
Mm-hmm. And...

Kelli (33:42.654)
Because he said younger than Luanne, right? And then somebody said how much younger?

Wendy (33:46.221)
Right.

Lori (33:46.832)
Yes.

Wendy (33:50.176)
Yeah, but he even hesitated on that. Like he just hesitated. He didn't want to answer it. He didn't want to answer it.

Kelli (33:52.872)
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Lori (33:54.13)
Mm-hmm. No. Yeah. And then she asked Mitch, how do you feel about Luan? She's always on the go. Do you think you could fit into her life? And, know, she's not going to be around a lot. And, um, he answers probably better than most people. He feels like he needs that. I was like, hmm, okay. I don't know. I don't, I I didn't get it. I don't know.

Wendy (34:15.98)
What does that mean?

Kelli (34:16.938)
Yeah, what does that mean? You don't want her to be around? Less is more.

Lori (34:23.696)
And then he said, I want to sell for two more years. And I was thinking, I don't remember what you sell, but okay. And then get out of Sacramento and buy three homes around the world. And Luanne liked that he was like a globe trotter.

Wendy (34:35.968)
Yeah. Yes.

Kelli (34:38.452)
Yeah, yeah that perked her up a little bit.

Lori (34:40.976)
Yeah. And then Weirdo James asked if he would consider New York as a third place and do you think he can really love her? All the while he's like feeling up Cynthia.

Kelli (34:51.744)
He was so, that was my immediate thought. Like, why is he so close to Cynthia? He was so close to her, yes! First behind her back and then on her leg. I'm like, what is he doing? I think he wrecked it for himself right there. I mean, obviously you saw how the conversation ended with Luanne scolding him. But really, what are you doing?

Lori (34:57.394)
It was like on top of her.

Wendy (34:57.452)
He had his hand on her leg. On her leg.

Wendy (35:05.409)
I know. I know.

Lori (35:10.192)
yeah.

Lori (35:14.153)
yeah, she was PASSED.

Wendy (35:16.492)
love it when Luanne scolds a man.

Kelli (35:18.698)
How uncomfortable was Cynthia? She's like just looking down like, my God, make it stop.

Wendy (35:24.654)
I'm so bad.

Lori (35:25.788)
But before it even, yeah, but before it even got crazy, like when it first started happening, you know, he starts saying, like I said before, can you really love her? And he was kind of like all on top of and Cynthia kind of put her hand on him and was like, whoa. When he started asking that, and then he said, you know, can you love her the way she deserves to be loved?

Kelli (35:26.356)
She was so uncomfortable.

Kelli (35:47.967)
Yeah.

Lori (35:54.948)
Cynthia was like, before the man started even saying anything, Cynthia was like, well, I'm going to get up. She was like, already uncomfortable. Like, I need to get the fuck away from this guy.

Kelli (36:03.422)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:05.912)
She even said, I'm the one asking the questions here. Like she put him in his place too. She said, I'm the one asking the questions. And Luanne was like, no. And he still like, he still didn't get it.

Kelli (36:06.109)
Yeah.

Great.

Lori (36:09.456)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (36:13.702)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:17.812)
Right.

Lori (36:17.863)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:20.276)
He did not get it. And I don't know if he just felt embarrassed and then just started acting even more awkward. It didn't seem like he was getting it though.

Lori (36:20.7)
Yeah.

Lori (36:31.28)
No, I don't think it registered at all. I don't think he, no, I don't think he.

Kelli (36:33.296)
No, no self-awareness, which makes him a prime person to be on Bravo. It requires zero self-awareness. They'll probably give him a spinoff next.

Wendy (36:39.054)
Exactly.

Lori (36:39.056)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in. Yeah. Yeah, so Luann told him, you know, be a gentleman, compose yourself. You're being rude. She's my girlfriend, not yours. Don't touch her. She was good and piss.

Kelli (36:55.968)
Later in time.

Wendy (36:57.932)
I think she, didn't she even say, I'm really mad at you? Like, I'm really mad at you. Like, if that doesn't get it, like, you know.

Lori (37:00.975)
yeah, she was pissed.

Lori (37:10.438)
Yeah, I don't know. It was, it was just weird. It was just, if I was Luann, I'd be like, I don't care how big your schlong is. I'm out.

Wendy (37:13.28)
It was.

Kelli (37:18.718)
Yeah, exactly. Plus, I think she already had him the night before, so now she's like, move on to the next. You know?

Lori (37:22.384)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (37:24.712)
Mm, very true, very true. And I think that's what he thinks. He's like, well, I already sealed the deal, so, you know, she's mine. I think that's what his thought was, but he, yeah. No, sorry, doesn't work that way.

Kelli (37:30.888)
Yep. Yep.

Lori (37:33.341)
No, probably.

Kelli (37:34.858)
Totally.

Nope. Not with her, no. Exactly. Exactly. That's right.

Lori (37:39.25)
Don't know who you're messing with. Not with Luan.

Wendy (37:41.23)
Mm-mm, not in the love hotel. Not with Luanne.

Lori (37:49.052)
Yeah. And then they, all the cast gets together and Joel says he wants a breakdown and he starts with Cynthia and she said Mitch is great and calm and settled. And she said she thinks that Luann and James have a wild obsessive chemistry. And then she says she wants to get to know Mark Moore. And then we go to Brandt. He thinks...

that Ashley should have more time with Ralph and says that she's torn between Ralph and Wale. And then Wale was funny in the confessional, did you see? He was like telling him, Brand needs to shut the fuck up. Love him. Yeah, yeah. And then Cal says they're both genuine, but Phil is the one. And I think you're right, that, you know.

Wendy (38:29.57)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:33.248)
I like Wall-A.

Wendy (38:44.046)
Yep.

Lori (38:46.788)
He's looking for the free ride in the Rolls.

Kelli (38:49.246)
Yeah, yeah. Somebody's getting the ride in the Ross. It's either Cal or Giselle.

Wendy (38:49.433)
Hahaha.

Lori (38:51.834)
And then, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Somebody will be in the back seat. And Sophie and Adeline, they want somebody that will take care of their mom, Shannon. And then, so they ask Earl to join in on the date. And Joel says he has arranged a cooking class so that everyone can grill their men.

Wendy (38:54.157)
Yeah.

That's right. That's right.

Kelli (38:58.942)
Yeah.

Lori (39:22.224)
and get a taste of what they are made of. Let's look a little clever. Clever word. Yes.

Kelli (39:26.794)
Yeah, cute.

Wendy (39:27.192)
Well, they all did different things. Like some of them did, like Ashley did the mixology. Yeah. Shannon did the guac.

Kelli (39:29.726)
Yeah, guacamole. Right.

Lori (39:33.338)
Yeah. No, Giselle did the mixology class with Ralph and Brandt. And, no, no, that was, yeah, that was Ashley. You're right. Yeah. Cause she said, yeah, cause she said she was a bartender. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (39:40.502)
No, no, Ashley. No, that was Ashley. Ashley. Yeah, yeah, Ashley did that. Right. And then Brand said, did you just say daddy? And he was like, and Ashley's like, I kind of liked it. was like, Ashley. She's like, no, that was good.

Kelli (39:41.799)
Ashley. Yeah.

Kelli (39:46.238)
Yeah. And Ralph said, daddy, like, and

Lori (39:49.158)
That was cringe.

Kelli (39:56.223)
Yes.

Lori (39:56.594)
Ew, it's cringy. It was cringy. It was all cringy all around. no. no. Yeah. Giselle made the cake with Phil and Cal.

Kelli (39:59.296)
So cringy.

Wendy (40:09.504)
Yes. my God, the cake, that was such a bad one too. I couldn't even understand him to be honest with you. With the ingredients, I didn't even know what he was saying.

Kelli (40:10.023)
yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah.

Kelli (40:17.311)
No.

Lori (40:17.447)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:20.542)
Yeah, and then Shannon with the guacamole and they bring out the crickets. The fuck was with the crickets?

Lori (40:24.626)
Yeah, that's weird.

Wendy (40:26.954)
I know. I think they just like to see Shannon's reactions. I seriously do. think they do it just to torture her.

Kelli (40:29.664)
Totally.

think they were waiting for her to react to him eating a cricket, but her daughter did it first, so he was probably like, bring it on. Yeah.

Wendy (40:40.0)
Yes! Alright. Yeah.

Lori (40:40.081)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And in their confessional, the girl said that they think Earl is sweet and has good intentions. And it was refreshing to see Shannon talk to a guy like that. Yeah. So that was nice. And then, yeah, that's nice.

Kelli (40:55.317)
That was sweet.

Wendy (40:56.8)
I really love that they were there. I liked that she had her daughters there because you know what? They have been through, like she said, they have been through so much with Shannon. They know how their father treated her. They know what happened with John Jansen. Like they know what she's been through. So, you know, I love that that's who was there for her.

Kelli (40:58.536)
Me too.

Kelli (41:14.016)
Yeah.

Lori (41:18.492)
Yeah. So, Luann and Cynthia and Mark make paella and Mark was sporting the macramé vest. Again.

Wendy (41:30.976)
Again. I mean, is it the same one? haven't really noticed it. Or is it different colors? Is it different colors? Is it different colors? It's the same one? Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like with this damn vest.

Kelli (41:32.19)
Yes. It's gotta be the same one. mean, how many, yeah, how many different, I think it's the color of this behind me, right?

Lori (41:35.314)
I think it's the same one. No, no, it was the same one. It was the same one.

Kelli (41:47.088)
Yeah, dude, come on, go to the gift shop and buy a shirt.

Lori (41:51.484)
something. And so neither Luanne or Mark know how to cut an onion. I never saw anything like it in my life.

Wendy (41:51.65)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:59.57)
Me neither.

Lori (42:01.232)
Ridiculous. Luan just hatcheted. Yeah, Luan just like a hatchet. Yeah.

Kelli (42:02.974)
Eric would have had anxiety watching that.

Wendy (42:06.51)
Did see the chef's face when?

Kelli (42:08.68)
He's like, sir, sir.

Wendy (42:10.603)
you

Lori (42:11.002)
And then he's cutting it all like Shingon. I don't know what was going on. Yeah, and he cuts himself. Yeah, he cuts himself.

Kelli (42:16.106)
He cut himself,

Wendy (42:17.314)
Yes, he did. Yeah. Look like he's bleeding.

Kelli (42:22.41)
Jackass.

Lori (42:23.326)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then what do we see? Phil is with Gisele and Cal. And then, so this was something else. Gisele was talking about telling Cal how they went to, you know, the astrologer came and astrologer said that,

Kelli (42:34.453)
and cow.

Kelli (42:39.775)
Yeah.

Lori (42:51.1)
Phil is an Aquarius and he's changing all the time, but for the better. And then Phil chimes in that his communication is much better now. Before he needed, when he needed me time, he would just take off and leave for a week or a few days. Gisele's face was like, what? What? She was like, okay.

Kelli (43:11.496)
You see her face?

Wendy (43:12.546)
Yeah, what?

Kelli (43:14.783)
Yeah.

Yeah. And he could be controlling, he said.

Lori (43:20.498)
Uh-huh. And Cal, no, and Cal got like that danger Will Robinson face. He was just like, right, right. And I, but I loved how Gisele says, okay, they were living in your movie.

Wendy (43:23.118)
She doesn't need that.

Kelli (43:28.254)
Yep, alert, red alert.

Wendy (43:40.974)
Exactly.

Kelli (43:41.312)
That's right. That was a good way to put it. Yes.

Lori (43:42.494)
I was like, girl, yes, very good. She is, yes. And then that's when she starts talking about how her ex was a pastor and how she said she had to live her husband's life. And then like you said, Wendy being the first lady and have a poker face and not show emotion. I was very diplomatic about it. But again,

Kelli (43:47.021)
Mm-hmm. She's very quick. Very quick.

Wendy (43:47.182)
She is so good Giselle, she really is.

Wendy (43:59.022)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (44:10.618)
I think there's some ulterior motive there now that I look back at it because why if you really just else good protective friend and somebody says some red flag shit like that, why would you be like, we know he's working on his vulnerability and you are working on your transparency. You would have been like, girl, I don't know about this one. Yeah.

Wendy (44:14.286)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (44:33.876)
Ron, yeah, Ron, yeah.

Wendy (44:35.432)
Next.

Lori (44:40.11)
And then Earl and Shannon's girls were sitting together and they asked him if he asked if he had watched the show. And they asked, you expect your partner to watch Shannon shows like watch them together? And she said, watching is difficult. And he said that, yeah. And he said, well, you know,

Wendy (44:48.096)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:04.212)
watching herself, right?

Lori (45:08.038)
watching something that hurts you would be difficult for me. And he says he doesn't know how he doesn't know how he would handle that.

Kelli (45:16.618)
Good answer, Earl. Good answer.

Wendy (45:16.716)
Which is honest. Yeah, absolutely. Because Shannon's always crying. Those girls are always at, you know, beefing.

Lori (45:21.732)
I can't take it. I can't take that when somebody's crying all the time. I can't take it. And then Shannon in her confessional says that he has no idea what he's getting into. And I think this is so true. And that's when Shannon said, you know, she doesn't know if he can date a simple man because her life is not simple.

Kelli (45:23.636)
Yeah. Yeah. No, why no?

Wendy (45:24.78)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (45:35.127)
Right.

Wendy (45:38.52)
Right.

Kelli (45:38.826)
yeah.

Wendy (45:46.722)
which is true. Her life is not simple. But you know what? Her life could be simple because she could still be on Orange County Housewives. That's what? Three months a year?

Lori (45:47.802)
Which is true. Yeah.

That's what, yeah, that's exactly it.

Lori (45:58.524)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:58.556)
It is, but Orange County, somebody to go on Potomac, some guy to go on Potomac, okay. Orange County, you have Tamra, she's nasty. She's gonna come for you. You have like, there's like turmoil on OC. It's like bringing somebody on Jersey.

Wendy (46:21.314)
Yeah, but listen, if she really wants to have a simple life, she could still do it. She doesn't have to bring him on. She doesn't have to bring him on. And he doesn't have to watch it.

Kelli (46:30.396)
No, she doesn't have to bring him on. But it's kinda, and I think that that used to be okay on The Housewives, but now it's like, if you don't bring him on, then people are digging shit up about them, and then they gotta come on just to defend themselves. Like, the show is so different now. I could just see her being skeptical of bringing somebody like him on who does live a simple life.

Lori (46:33.863)
now.

Wendy (46:43.298)
don't know.

Wendy (46:47.406)
I mean, Eddie.

Kelli (46:55.392)
You know, she's only dated people, you know, I mean, she was married to David and then John Jansen clearly wanted to be on the show. I mean, that guy kept saying he didn't want to be on the show, but he did want to be on the show. And so much so that he started dating somebody else after they broke up. That's how badly he wanted to be on the show. So it might be hard. I could see her being skeptical.

Wendy (47:02.349)
Right.

Lori (47:11.09)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (47:11.298)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:17.706)
Yeah, Eddie's not on the show that much. Tamara's husband. Of course she is, but I'm just saying, if Shannon didn't want him to be on the show, it could still happen. She could have her happy ending. She could have the simple life. And let's face it, how many more years is she actually gonna be on The Real Housewives of Orange County, right? I mean, she is 60. She is one of the older housewives, right?

Kelli (47:20.498)
No he's not, but Tamra's always the one starting the shit, so it's easy for Eddie not to be on.

Kelli (47:31.519)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:41.791)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:47.176)
Yeah, she's got to hold on to it as long as they keep her though. She needs the paycheck

Wendy (47:47.68)
So, well, yeah, but it doesn't mean you've got to give up the future happiness and a simple life, you know? I don't know.

Lori (47:58.588)
Yeah, I just have this feeling that she's just, I don't know that she has the emotional maturity to choose anything than the devil she knows.

Wendy (48:10.318)
Mmm.

Lori (48:12.858)
Unfortunately.

Kelli (48:14.132)
Yeah, well, it's always hard for you to kind of go out of your comfort zone, especially at our ages, especially at 60, like, you you do do what's comfortable for you. Most people, I guess.

Lori (48:22.266)
Right, the comfort zone for her is assholes. That's what I'm saying.

Kelli (48:29.265)
For sure. Yeah, for sure. Verbally abusive men. Yeah. Controlling.

Lori (48:32.784)
That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. Cynthia asked Mark if he's interested in getting married again. And he said, as you get older, it's more difficult to settle down. What? I was like, boop, boop, boop, boop, breadfile.

Wendy (48:37.069)
Controlling.

Kelli (48:48.756)
Yeah, I didn't like that.

Yeah, what does that mean, Mark? So you're gonna mess around with other women is basically what you're saying. You don't want to be with one woman is what you're saying.

Lori (48:55.772)
Yeah.

Lori (48:59.462)
Yeah, so...

Wendy (49:04.706)
Well, even they flashback to when he was on the first time and Luanne said to him, you here for love or fun? And he said fun. So, you know, he's telling you who he is. You need to just listen, right? He's telling you who he is. Just listen. Just listen.

Kelli (49:16.576)
Yes. 100%. Yep. Yep.

Lori (49:19.718)
You need to listen. Yeah. And then, know, Cynthia starts asking him about if he prefers younger women. And then he says, I prefer women who I have fun with. And then he says, we know I like Luann. And then Mark says, do you want me to say I love you like James? Doesn't that frighten you? And she says, yes.

Wendy (49:46.134)
Yeah.

is frightening, I have to agree with that.

Lori (49:50.578)
Yeah

Kelli (49:51.06)
Right, I do agree with that.

Lori (49:53.926)
Yeah. So I don't know about her and Mark. I'm thinking that's a no.

Kelli (49:59.786)
Well, I think Cynthia said the same thing, right? She's getting more of a friend vibe.

Lori (50:01.766)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she actually said it. Yeah. She said, something here is not happening. You would be amazing friends. I just don't know if you two are amazing together. And, let's see, Big Daddy Bay says, do you have reservations to Ashley and Ralph? You know, about kids, divorces, different locations. Ashley says, Tennessee. Yeah.

Wendy (50:02.168)
She did. Yeah, she did. And I think she's right.

Kelli (50:06.613)
right there.

Kelli (50:26.506)
Where's Ralph from, do we know? Tennessee. Okay, so it's not terribly far. He's not across the state, I mean, across the country.

Wendy (50:28.13)
Tennessee.

Wendy (50:32.942)
I

But it would be moving. I mean, you're not staying in Potomac, Maryland and him living in Tennessee because that was the question. Like, you, you know, she'd be moving to Tennessee.

Lori (50:43.121)
Yes.

Kelli (50:43.219)
Right.

where he'd be moving there. I can't see her up in her boys, but that's the thing. Like he's got adult children. He doesn't have to worry about that. She's got little boys whose father's in the same town, or what we think. I don't know where Michael exactly is, but you you gotta stay close to him and their school and all that stuff. Her family, her mom helps her.

Lori (50:54.608)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (51:00.8)
Right, we don't know where he is.

Lori (51:07.079)
huh.

Wendy (51:10.22)
Right, right.

Lori (51:10.268)
Mm-hmm.

And then what about Ralph?

discovering that he has ADHD, dyslexia, and OCD.

Kelli (51:20.586)
yeah. Yeah, that was something.

Wendy (51:24.526)
I agree that that was very telling that he admitted that.

Kelli (51:29.982)
Yeah, absolutely.

Lori (51:30.258)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And she said in the confessional, she was happy that he was, you know, open and comfortable enough to share that.

Wendy (51:42.67)
I mean, the fact that he said he can't read a book, you know? Yeah. And to just find it out so late in life, you know? And you have five children. Okay, now wait. I guess you weren't going to the parent-teacher conferences because... We're doing any of that, right? Because there would have been some kind of indication, wouldn't you think?

Lori (51:42.886)
So.

Lori (51:46.598)
That's going to be horrible.

Kelli (51:48.18)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Bye.

Well, you probably weren't helping them with homework, you know?

Lori (52:03.633)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:06.782)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (52:07.49)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then we have the scene with Theo and James come up to Earl and Shannon and the girls. And then Shannon asks James if he's seen Luan. And that's where he starts talking about the weird, you know, Shannon says, know, Luan's you know, kicking the pants. And they ask James, does she make you laugh?

He was all, well, that's what I fell in love with about her and everyone was like, whoa.

Wendy (52:37.198)
What?

Kelli (52:38.228)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (52:40.432)
Yeah, so I don't know.

Kelli (52:41.952)
Too much, too much too soon, James.

Wendy (52:45.518)
But then like Shannon said, she said that Luanne met the Count and married him in six weeks, but then in the confessional, the producer asked and she said it was two weeks and it was, it was quick. When I told you when she was talking about it on, I think it was Heather McDonald, it was a very whirlwind romance. know, and even with Tom, I mean, that was quick too. I mean, so she moves quick.

Kelli (52:56.81)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:04.157)
Yeah.

Lori (53:04.402)
Thank you.

Kelli (53:08.817)
yeah, super quick, yeah, super quick.

Wendy (53:12.77)
But maybe she's learned. now she will. And listen, she doesn't need to get married, right? Why does she need to get married? There's... Right.

Kelli (53:18.686)
No, she'd be poor if not. She might lose any kind of compensation she gets from royalty. Who the fuck's giving that up?

Lori (53:18.706)
No. No.

Lori (53:28.068)
Right, absolutely.

Wendy (53:29.814)
Yeah, I would say don't shoot for marriage. Honestly, even for Shannon, I don't even know if Shannon needs to... I think there comes a point in your life where if you just find a person that you can be with, then just be with that person. Right, right. If your children are grown and raised and out of the house, there is zero reason to get a piece of paper. That's just my opinion. That's just my opinion. Right.

Kelli (53:33.471)
No!

Kelli (53:38.111)
No.

Lori (53:43.75)
Just be with them,

Kelli (53:44.116)
Companionship, that's it, companionship.

Kelli (53:53.8)
Right, you don't need to share her last name.

Wendy (53:57.452)
And you're not going to share last name anyway, because your last name's already established. You're not changing your last name. Luan is going to be the Countess until the day she dies, as she should be, unless of course she marries a king, and then she would be a queen. And that I would give up a Countess for. That's just me. Exactly.

Lori (54:03.558)
now.

Kelli (54:07.913)
Absolutely.

Lori (54:08.779)
stuff.

Mm-hmm.

Lori (54:15.238)
then she could be the queen. There you go.

Kelli (54:15.617)
All right. 100%. That is allowable. We'll allow it, Luanne. We'll allow it.

Lori (54:20.53)
Yes. Yes. Yes. And then we see Mark's confessional. I don't know what he's thinking. He's like, I think this date made things a lot worse, but I'm not quitting. We are still a possibility. I'm like, okay, bro, keep wearing the vest. Keep wearing the vest.

Wendy (54:35.798)
I know what's what.

Kelli (54:44.225)
Yeah, maybe try something new tomorrow. Maybe wear something other than the vest.

Lori (54:49.938)
Yeah, Santa. So then another cute thing was Earl got the girls necklaces for right before they were leaving. So sweet.

Kelli (54:56.096)
That was cute.

Wendy (54:57.182)
Loved, love that. So thoughtful, was so thoughtful. I mean, he got one for each of the girls and he got one for Shannon too, right? But does he know that there's another girl? Like, I feel like she needed to get one too.

Kelli (54:59.338)
That was super cute. Super cute.

Kelli (55:08.286)
Yes. Yes.

Lori (55:09.004)
I didn't see that.

Kelli (55:14.1)
I'm sure he did. I hope so.

Wendy (55:15.456)
Okay, I hope so. I hope so. Maybe Shanna can give her hers.

Kelli (55:19.23)
Right, right. Yeah.

Lori (55:19.354)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Gisele says she's looking at Phil differently. She feels like he has edited himself, been editing himself so that she doesn't send him home. And Shannon's talking to her girls and feels like Earl reacts badly to criticism.

And then, yeah, Shannon said that, yeah. And then Joel says, you know, then they'll cast us all together and Joel says the next elimination is now. And everybody's like, shit. And he's like, just joking.

Kelli (55:41.642)
Shannon said that, not the girls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (55:43.926)
Right, right, right.

Kelli (55:57.512)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did. She looked the most nervous.

Wendy (55:57.74)
I think Ashley looked the most shocked. Didn't you think so? Out of all of them.

Lori (56:00.146)
Well, she's probably got the hardest decision to make out of all of them. And then he says there's only three days left till final checkout. So we shall see. don't know. Maybe three. Yeah.

Kelli (56:05.376)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (56:11.623)
Yeah, that was interesting. So how many more episodes do think we have? Three? Yeah. So they're not gonna, they shouldn't be bringing in any new guys again, I would imagine. Well, who knows? Because the next episode, there's definitely gonna be an elimination.

Wendy (56:13.4)
That was good to know. Probably three.

Wendy (56:23.896)
Who knows?

Lori (56:24.882)
Who knows?

Wendy (56:29.102)
Well, I mean, when did you see the end where they show like what's coming up? There's a lot of drama coming up. mean, seriously, there's a, I am really looking forward to all this drama to quite honest with you. So we'll see, we'll have to wait and see.

Kelli (56:34.695)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (56:39.616)
Yeah, for sure. It has. It really has.

Lori (56:39.922)
It's been so tame on the drama so far.

Lori (56:49.5)
So I thought this was like a very busy episode. Like some of the episodes in the past have been like, okay, okay. This like had a lot, a lot going on.

Kelli (56:50.933)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:56.916)
Yeah, yeah.

Well then bringing the friends on. That was good. That was really good.

Lori (57:04.934)
Yeah. So we shall see what they say next time.

Wendy (57:05.004)
Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (57:09.565)
Yeah, man.

Lori (57:11.034)
You ready?

Wendy (57:11.126)
Okay, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please like us and give us a five-star review and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (57:19.498)
Bye.

Lori (57:20.412)
Bye.