RHOP-When Cookie Crumbles, Drama Spills

RHOP-When Cookie Crumbles, Drama Spills

RHOP S10 E8 – Pride and Pettiness | Podcast Summary

The episode picks up right in the chaos: Kiarna tells Monique that Stacey has been dating Chris Samuels. Monique brushes it off—two years divorced, no hard feelings—as long as the co-parenting stays solid.

Then Ashley questions Stacey’s cannabis line having a Nigerian name, and when Stacy mispronounces it, Wendy and Tia call her out. Giselle, of course, finds this hilarious.

The group heads to the GNA Pride float, where Wendy shades the branding and Giselle pretends she knew what GNA even was.

After the parade, Giselle is surprisingly warm to Monique, saying she liked her energy. Monique opens up about why her marriage ended: feeling unloved, overshadowed, and ultimately having a breaking-point moment that made her walk away for good.

Meanwhile, Angel and Bobby go house-hunting, but the bright green kitchen cabinets are a no. Angel vents that she didn’t appreciate being called “catfish,” and thinks Wendy piled on Giselle’s shade.

At lunch, Giselle celebrates 10 million downloads for Reasonably Shady and an NAACP nomination. Kiana drops a bomb that Cookie called her—because Chris Samuels was upset over rumors that Monique trashed him, and apparently Stacy is the one who told him that. Cookie cannot stand Stacy and will also be at the upcoming party. Perfect.

Wendy meets with Monique, and they surprisingly reconnect. They talk Candace drama, old tension, and even Giselle—who Monique still has beef with. Wendy also mentions drama with Karen and wonders if Cookie is trustworthy. Monique says Cookie once lied about being Chuck Brown’s daughter, so… maybe not.

Stacy is still doing “Evite dates” with her ex Thiemo, and when Tia arrives to meet him, Stacy makes it clear: she is friendly, not stupid. And she’s not introducing Timo to the whole group until they meet Giselle’s man first.

Giselle gets help from her daughter Grace planning the Reasonably Shady event, noting that Robyn won’t attend because of how she exited the show.

Wendy and Eddie go to dinner with Tia and her husband Rob, and Stacey becomes a point of contention. When Wendy calls Stacey, Stacey apologizes for introducing Tia to Thiemo first, but Wendy is heated.

Finally, it’s the Reasonably Shady 100 Million Download Party (without Robyn). Even Wale shows up—with flowers for Robyn.

The party turns into a showdown:
 Stacey vs Tia,
Kiarna vs Stacey,
Cookie vs Stacey,
Wendy playing referee,
and Monique being dragged into drama even though she isn’t even there.

Accusations fly about who told Chris Samuels what, who’s lying, who’s shady, who shouldn’t be trusted, and who doesn’t even have a husband.
 It’s peak Potomac pandemonium.

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.198)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.4)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:06.488)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, season 10, episode number eight, Pride and Pettiness. Yeah, I agree with that title.

Kelli (00:17.009)
Totally agree. I have a question for the listeners. My question is, is there anybody out there who doesn't think Gisele and Ashley are acting like jackasses? Where they're not showing anything of their real lives and they're just coming for Stacey over and over again and it's falling flat every time. So my question to the listeners is, is there anybody out there who disagrees with that?

Wendy (00:19.21)
I agree.

Kelli (00:47.055)
Because the census I'm getting on social media is that people agree with that.

Wendy (00:51.702)
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening. They have nothing going on, so they're just going after Stacey. And Stacey's taking it like a champ. So, yeah, good for her.

Kelli (00:54.021)
Yes.

Kelli (00:59.697)
She sure is. She sure is. Yep.

Wendy (01:05.048)
So we pick up where we left off when Monique shows up at the Pride and Kiana starts with saying to Monique, Stacey said that she's seen you around. And she's like, no, no, wasn't Monique. was Chris Samuels. she's like, yeah, that's right, Chris. She's been dating Chris. And meanwhile, Stacey's just standing there just looking, like not saying anything. And Monique's like, I've been divorced almost two years.

Kelli (01:30.768)
Right.

Wendy (01:34.58)
I don't care. Which was the right answer.

Kelli (01:36.091)
Yeah, she's like, would expect, I would expect that you would be dating by now.

Wendy (01:43.094)
Right, exactly. And in her confessional, she said, my ex is an ex for a reason, so I'm good with whatever she wants to do as long as she's good with the children.

Kelli (01:51.834)
Yeah.

Yep. And this is why we love Monique. I'm so glad she's back.

Wendy (01:58.998)
Yeah, yeah.

And then so they couldn't get her there. So then Ashley brings up Stacey's cannabis line because the Monique thing fell flat. now let's go over to the cannabis. Being named a Nigerian name, she's saying it's a little shady and they ask what the name is and she says Shio. And then when Wendy said, well, as your friend, if you're gonna name it a Nigerian name, you're gonna need to pronounce it correctly.

Kelli (02:28.601)
You

Wendy (02:29.63)
And Tia jumped right all over that too. And I loved how Stacy, well, thank you my Nigerian sisters. Thank you. And Giselle's laughing.

Kelli (02:37.455)
Yep, yep. And again, Wendy and Stacey had already had this conversation. So Ashley, come on, come on. How about they put GNA on the float and Giselle didn't even know why. And what the fuck is GNA right now? Like, are you a clothing line? Are you a health and fitness thing? Like, what's GNA now? Because you got your big ass name on that float.

Wendy (02:42.912)
Yes. Yep.

Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (02:56.876)
Well.

Wendy (03:04.76)
We don't.

Right. I mean, the last thing it was when they were raising money for her father. Right. Yeah. But it was, yeah, nobody knows what.

Kelli (03:14.981)
Right, a health and fitness wellness wellness.

Kelli (03:22.469)
They need to go check on their businesses and stop checking on Stacey. That's what Giselle and Ashley need to do.

Wendy (03:25.974)
Yeah. Yep.

That's exactly what they need to do. So then after the parade, they all sit down and Giselle says to Monique, like that she didn't expect to see her here, but she felt like her energy was good. So she's kind of saying, it's okay that you're here because me, Giselle, the Queen Bee thinks you've got good energy.

Kelli (03:47.513)
Right, nobody gives a fuck, Giselle.

Wendy (03:49.812)
Yeah. And then Wendy asked her, know, like, what's been going on? And she's like, well, you know, she, she really goes into some details about, you know, what happened with her marriage.

Kelli (04:04.785)
She sure does. I like when she said they had a good image. You know what I mean? cause I think she was being really honest here. And I think that they did, they did have a good image.

Wendy (04:10.444)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:15.8)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:19.106)
Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. You know, and she even went so much as to say, listen, she wasn't being loved properly. And I applaud her. I applaud her. And Monique said to Giselle, remember when you and I went to France and you said, yeah, something to me that stuck with me is that whenever you're dating someone who's in the limelight, there could only be one star in the relationship. So, you know, you might want to watch out for that.

Kelli (04:29.414)
Yes.

Wendy (04:49.654)
Which, I don't know if that's true, to be honest with you. I don't know if that's true. I think you could have two stars, but...

Kelli (04:57.285)
I think you can, but there has to be a mutual respect and I don't think Monique had that with Chris because if Chris had any balls about him, he would have checked his mother a long time ago. No man would allow their mother to speak to their wife the way that woman did. And that proved he had no respect for his wife, none.

Wendy (05:00.921)
yeah. Right.

Wendy (05:08.366)
100%.

Wendy (05:12.878)
No, I.

Wendy (05:18.318)
Yeah, I totally agree. totally agree. So then Tia says to her, like, well, what was the straw that broke the camel's back? And she said, well, you whenever he seems like he wants something, you know, he gets a little bit nicer to me. So, you know, one day, you know, he wanted, he wanted something. So when I was done, he rolled over and she said, she felt nothing. And she looked at him and she said, this is the last time you'll ever.

enter me and she never looked back. was like good for her. Yeah, good for her.

Kelli (05:53.201)
Good for her. That must be a horrible, horrible feeling, especially as a wife with your husband. I mean, shit, we've all had one night stands where it's like, damn, I don't do that. But when you're with your husband, that's a horrible way to leave the situation feeling.

Wendy (06:01.312)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:09.726)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (06:16.171)
Yeah, definitely. And if I remember correctly, when Monique and Chris were on, they were going to counseling, right? Weren't they doing counseling on the show? Like they had the pastor come to the house?

Kelli (06:28.621)
Yeah, I think it was a pastor. Yeah, I think at some point, maybe before they had the baby, before they had Chase or maybe right after, because, and they showed a flashback. She was like, we don't date. Like we don't go out on dates. And if we do, I'm planning it. Which, I mean, I do think maybe there are some, well, Timo, Timo's planning his date, sending those invites. But typically I do think it's, I mean, it's the wife.

Wendy (06:36.514)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:41.505)
Right.

Wendy (06:45.485)
Right.

Wendy (06:53.389)
That's right.

Kelli (06:57.327)
the mother going out of, know, planning it. But whatever, that's what she wanted. And he obviously didn't step up for it, so.

Wendy (07:03.757)
Yeah.

Wendy (07:07.468)
Yeah. I applaud her for one for coming back and two for coming back and being so real. You know, just just being real.

Kelli (07:15.235)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, first episode back. She... Yeah, yeah. Yep.

Wendy (07:22.254)
So the next thing we see is Angel and Bobby, pull up to this house that they're looking at and the realtors there. It is $3.25 million, four bedrooms, six bathrooms. And the only thing I wrote about the house besides that is that it had bright green kitchen cabinets. I was like, I like a green, I like a green, but I don't know that I would like bright green kitchen cabinets.

Kelli (07:42.243)
It did.

Kelli (07:47.814)
Yeah, yeah, that was a bold choice. Listen, I'm not gonna comment on anyone's physical appearance. I think Angel's a beautiful woman, but I don't know who told her to wear that dress.

Wendy (08:00.47)
I didn't, you know what? didn't even notice the dress. Were her boobs, were her boobs hanging out?

Kelli (08:03.633)
It wasn't a good dress. It wasn't a good dress. just, it looked like, remember like back in like the early nineties, it was like you wore a white t-shirt and then like a baby doll dress over it. Like it was very 90210. It looked like that, but it was one dress that looked like it was a t-shirt with it. It just was not, I mean, you're a real housewife now. No, it wasn't, definitely wasn't flattering. And it was, it looked cheap.

Wendy (08:18.038)
Yes, yes. Okay.

Wendy (08:25.878)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't flattering. Right.

Kelli (08:33.549)
It looked cheap.

Wendy (08:35.918)
Hmm.

Kelli (08:36.923)
She's a stylist.

Wendy (08:38.88)
Yeah, that could be. That could be. But listen, it's her first season. gosh. Yeah, it is her first season though. So I think, you know, a lot of housewives the first season, they don't know. I mean, I think thinking back like Denise Richards first season was iconic. Like she just showed up as her, you know? She went on a girls trip with her jean shorts and her t-shirt. And she's like,

Kelli (08:41.635)
I just don't want to see her get giseled. You know what I mean? With the fashion.

Kelli (08:49.22)
Yeah, yeah, she'll learn.

Kelli (09:01.062)
yeah, jeans and a t-shirt, like every time.

Wendy (09:06.894)
What do mean we have to dress up?

Kelli (09:09.337)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. But with that said, I do think Angel is a beautiful woman.

Wendy (09:16.598)
Yeah, I know she absolutely is.

Kelli (09:18.257)
And this has no, you know, I'm not commenting on her physical appearance. She's gorgeous.

Wendy (09:24.302)
So she's talking to the realtor. She's like, I wonder if they'll, you know, let any of this stuff go. And she's like, well, they're relocating. So I'm sure, you know, they don't want to have to take it with them. And she also lets us know that it took her four years to find the house that they had in Colorado. That's a long time. That is a long time.

Kelli (09:42.863)
It is a long time, but I guess when you're spending that much money, you want to take your time.

Wendy (09:47.022)
I guess so. I guess so.

Kelli (09:49.603)
It is four years is a long time now.

Wendy (09:52.468)
Yeah. And then she sits down at the house with Bobby and she starts telling them about Giselle and the catfish comment and how she felt. I know she did, but I guess now she has to fill Bobby in on it. Like, just feel like we've, like, why do we have to talk about this every episode?

Kelli (10:03.077)
Didn't we already get past this though? Like didn't she already address this with Giselle?

Kelli (10:14.735)
Yeah, and why is she bringing Wendy into it? Like, you clearly just have a problem with Wendy. And I don't know if you just came in like that. I don't know if you're doing this on behalf of Kiarna, but it's just not landing. It's like fake beef, it's not landing.

Wendy (10:31.564)
Yeah.

No, it's not. It's definitely not. The next thing we see is Giselle, Ashley, Tia, and Kiorna all meet up for lunch.

And Giselle announces that her podcast, Reasonably Shady, has met a milestone of 10 million downloads, which I will say is very impressive.

Kelli (10:56.133)
That's very impressive. I am not one of those downloads, but that is very impressive.

Wendy (10:58.134)
and that they were, they've been nominated.

Wendy (11:04.782)
I will admit I have downloaded a couple episodes. Not a lot, but I have downloaded a couple. They were also nominated for the NAACP Image Award. So good for them. Good for them. So she's letting them know because she's going to be having a party. Okay, that's great that you're having a party. be nice if your co-host was at your party, but...

Kelli (11:17.423)
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Kelli (11:27.93)
Sure would have been nice

Wendy (11:30.062)
That's really bizarre. I mean...

Kelli (11:31.547)
Like if you're gonna throw a fake party, Giselle, throw a fake party where all parties involved are gonna attend. If you gotta just make shit up now, make up something else because having a party for your 10 millionth, yeah, exactly, download and your co-host doesn't show up, that's, you know, that's pretty jacked up.

Wendy (11:38.358)
Yeah. Make it a GNA.

Wendy (11:53.25)
Yeah, really is.

So then Kierna says when they left Pride, Cookie called her and she said, Chris Samuels is calling me. He's very upset because he feels like Monique was trash talking him. And she's like, well, that didn't happen. And they're like, well, who told her? Well, it must have been Stacey. It must have been Stacey that told him.

So Cookie does not like Stacey and now we find out that Cookie is going to be at the party for the podcast that the co-host is not gonna be at.

Kelli (12:34.833)
So now Housewives has not only turned into some bullshit bringing the husbands into it, now Housewives has turned into bullshit where we're bringing the ex-husbands into it by some fucking

jacked up spokesperson for Karen Huger. Like I don't ever need to see Cookie on my screen again.

Wendy (12:55.597)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:00.416)
I know, I know, because in the next scene when we see Wendy talking to Monique, we find out that Monique introduced Karen to Cookie. And Monique does not roll with Cookie because she, she knows who she is.

Kelli (13:05.481)
huh.

Kelli (13:10.639)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:17.679)
Yep, she met her at Chris's party and she said she has her reasons for staying away from Cookie. And she did say that, I forget who the guy was, but Cookie said that was her father and it wasn't. Who lies about who their father is? That's what I'm saying, Cookie, go back to wherever the fuck you came from, Cookie.

Wendy (13:20.355)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:30.506)
Yes, exactly. Yes.

Yes!

Kelli (13:40.249)
I mean, I'm sorry, but it's an ambush on Stacy and it's stupid.

Wendy (13:40.428)
Listen, I could

Wendy (13:45.492)
I know, I know. It's like they couldn't get, they have tried everything. First it was the husband, then it was the divorce. No, first it was TJ, then it was the divorce, then it was the ex-husband that they're dating, then it was Chris Samuels, and also now it's the cannabis.

Kelli (13:54.458)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:03.409)
Chris Samuels. Yeah.

Kelli (14:08.017)
Right, like enough. What the fuck do you have going on in your life? Show us what you have going on in your life and leave Stacey alone. know, remember when Robin and Giselle and I don't know, I guess it was Ashley, but they went and brought the pizza to Karen's house to prove that Karen was, meanwhile, Robin, you know, wasn't sharing anything about her real life and lied to her boss on national television, wonders why she got fired.

Wendy (14:11.628)
Really? It's exhausting.

Wendy (14:28.865)
Yes.

Kelli (14:38.363)
But like you're bringing a pizza to Karen's house to prove that she doesn't live in that house. Meanwhile, you were lying the whole time. Like what are Gisele and Ashley, they're bringing nothing to the show. So are you bringing nothing to the show? Cause you're boring as fuck and you don't belong here. Or do you have something else going on that you don't want somebody else knowing about? So you keep coming for Stacey. Like it's so tired, like enough.

Wendy (15:02.316)
Yeah, it's deflection, deflection, deflection. I mean, not only did Robin lie to Andy, but then he, she finally told the story on Patreon.

Kelli (15:04.431)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (15:14.979)
on Patreon so people had to pay for it. Like you greedy bitch.

Wendy (15:17.514)
Right. Talk about... Yeah. Yeah. And she was at BravoCon. Robin was at BravoCon.

Kelli (15:22.969)
Yeah, I don't.

She was, I guess, for reasonably shady because they were probably interviewing people, right? Like, two T's?

Wendy (15:30.382)
No, no, Traders. She was on Traders.

Kelli (15:35.438)
she was? She was on Traders?

Wendy (15:36.992)
I'm almost positive. I'm almost positive. Yes, yes, yes, she was on Traders.

Kelli (15:43.473)
Man, Bravo, you really like to reward the bad behavior, don't you?

Wendy (15:45.046)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (15:50.834)
You wonder why people are going to jail and stealing to keep up with lifestyles because Bravo's like, okay, go ahead. You go to jail and then you can come back on the show.

Wendy (16:02.776)
You know what's interesting is I saw a clip on Instagram today, Robin and Giselle were talking on Reasonably Shady about Mia getting arrested for the furniture. And the interesting thing about it is Giselle was like all over Mia and not giving her any grace. And Robin had like a different opinion about it, which I thought, well, that was kind of interesting that she was going against Giselle, you know?

Kelli (16:29.595)
Yeah, because-

Right, right.

Wendy (16:34.338)
Whatever.

Kelli (16:37.979)
You know what, Giselle, man, karma really is a bitch. It can get ya. It might get ya, Giselle. You might really wanna watch that shit.

Wendy (16:44.578)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:49.477)
talking about Mia like that, I don't know. You know, I feel bad when I hear stories like that. I'm certainly not gonna start making fun of it.

Wendy (16:57.386)
No, because listen, if you're moving out in the middle of the night with furniture, maybe something was going on. Like that's not, I mean, you're not, you're not sneaking. I mean, I mean, you are sneaking, but like, you know, I don't know. I feel like there's gotta be more to that story.

Kelli (17:06.022)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:10.353)
Yeah.

It's just, yeah, like don't you feel bad? Don't you have some empathy for the fact that she's going through whatever she's going through? You were a first lady of a church for crying out loud. You're not sensitive to this at all. She's just not a nice person, Giselle. Just put her up there with Tamra and Teresa. As far as I'm concerned.

Wendy (17:22.689)
Right.

Wendy (17:39.213)
Yeah.

So Wendy says, well, she's talking to Onique that she likes Stacey. She thinks that she's a good person, but she feels like, she also said she has a sweetheart. She feels like all the girls are ganging up on her, which they are. And I like that Wendy can see that, I do. I like that she is there to have her back.

Kelli (17:54.021)
Yeah, they are.

Yeah. Well, listen, she's been the recipient of it as well. When they came after her with the witch hunt saying Eddie was cheating on her. You know, all these women have been through it and quite honestly, Ashley was the recipient of it from Robin and Gisele too. So the fact that she's, know, Gisele's go-to girl now is kind of ridiculous.

Wendy (18:08.696)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:24.14)
Yeah. Well, she had to. What else was Gisele gonna do?

Wendy (18:31.534)
So the next thing we see is Stacey and Timo and Arabella there for her swimming practice. They're doing a lot of things together and he's still doing her Evite dates. And I love that actually. I'll be quite honest with you, I like it.

Kelli (18:50.811)
I do, I just thought that there was something very off about them.

Wendy (18:54.496)
Well, I mean, listen, I don't know if it's because he's German and nothing against German people, but it's a different culture and to have the camera there and.

Kelli (19:04.975)
Yeah.

I feel like we said that about TJ too.

Wendy (19:11.948)
We did, we did. But I think it was a different off.

Kelli (19:15.633)
Is everyone who's in a relationship with Stacy just awkward?

Wendy (19:20.862)
Yeah, could be.

Kelli (19:22.681)
or a fake relationship with Stacey, I don't know, whatever it is, fake, real, whatever it is.

Wendy (19:28.566)
Yeah. I mean, I thought it was interesting that she invited Tia there to meet, meet Timo because she just doesn't feel comfortable letting the other women meet him yet. But Tia is Gisele's friend. Like, I feel like you are trusting the wrong person.

Kelli (19:51.621)
Yeah. I mean, if you think that she's not gonna go back and tell Giselle things, you're crazy.

Wendy (19:57.29)
Right, exactly.

Kelli (19:59.152)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (20:04.246)
So then they invite her to go to dinner together with Timo and he's like, no, I'm leaving tomorrow for business. And then she winds up going to dinner a little later on in the episode with Wendy and Eddie and T and her husband. And T, it says to them, know, Stacey.

she felt comfortable introducing Tia to Timo, but she didn't feel comfortable introducing the other ladies. And of course, Wendy's gonna feel a certain way about that, right? I mean, because she has been, she has been. So Wendy calls her there on speakerphone and kind of puts her on the spot. you know, I don't know. I thought it was awkward. I thought it was very awkward.

Kelli (20:39.375)
Yeah. Yeah. Cause she's been very supportive of Stacey.

Kelli (20:58.937)
I feel like it was awkward too. I I understand Wendy being like whipping the phone out and being like, let's take care of this right now. I, know, Stacey, I think she handled it actually pretty well. Like she apologized to Wendy and was like, I didn't think Tia would do that. Like, you know, and I don't know.

Wendy (21:14.519)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:22.626)
I mean, the problem lies in the fact that she said, well, he's leaving. Wait, no, he just got back or something? Because they said, we're out to dinner. And initially he was just leaving. And then when they called, he just got back. So.

Kelli (21:39.183)
Right. And, but she had also said he wasn't going to be back by Saturday when Giselle's party was. He was already back, but he just left this morning. So obviously he didn't go anywhere.

Wendy (21:45.206)
Right, right, right. Yeah, so, right, right. He just doesn't wanna be there. Right, right, and they need to get that, you know, they need to work on that. They definitely need to work on that. So Giselle's getting ready for her party and her daughter Grace is there. She's helping her plan the event with her friend, Brandt.

Kelli (21:54.122)
And Stacey was lying.

Kelli (22:00.27)
Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

Wendy (22:15.372)
And that's when she lets us know that Robin's not gonna be there because she doesn't feel comfortable about the way she left the show. You mean the way she was fired? Like she was fired. Right. And.

Kelli (22:22.437)
Yeah, you mean because she was fired. Yes, she was fired with a capital F for lying to her boss on national television, as she should be.

Wendy (22:32.598)
Yes, she absolutely should be. It was interesting to see Wale.

Kelli (22:37.329)
How about when she asked Brant, she asked Brant, do we feel about Stacey? Why does Brant care about Stacey? Wasn't that weird?

Wendy (22:44.61)
Yeah, that was weird, right? Yes, that was very weird.

Wendy (22:52.66)
But it was nice to see a Wallet sighting from Love Motel.

Kelli (22:55.119)
Yes.

Kelli (22:58.942)
Why did Ashley get all jacked up when he came in because he had flowers for Giselle and not her?

Wendy (23:06.412)
He actually said the flowers were for Robin.

Kelli (23:10.191)
that's right. That's who the f- Okay.

Wendy (23:11.598)
They were for Robin. I don't know. thought it was, I don't know.

Kelli (23:18.129)
Because Ashley got all like, right? Is that what kind of set her off? Something set her off.

Wendy (23:21.72)
She did, she did. No, it was that, it was that. It was the flowers, but they were for Robin.

Kelli (23:26.129)
Well, it's not your party, Ashley. Why would he bring you flowers? You didn't check out of the hotel with him. You chose the old man, Ralph. Why is he gonna bring you flowers?

Wendy (23:29.678)
Right, right.

Wendy (23:35.201)
Right.

Wendy (23:39.616)
Yeah, I thought that was weird too. I thought that was weird. And why is he bringing flowers to Robin and not Giselle? Especially since Robin's not even there.

Kelli (23:43.057)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:48.635)
thought he gave them to Giselle and said the other ones were for Robin, but I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Wendy (23:59.948)
boy. So then Stacey arrives with Wendy and Eddie. They get there together and Vivian was there too. And Vivian is that, yeah, she's that friend that Stacey, that puts Stacey in the same dress as Ashley that they went to the dress shop for, for the dog event.

Kelli (24:07.727)
Yeah, I forgot about that whole thing.

Kelli (24:15.771)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:20.881)
Yes.

Wendy (24:22.252)
Right?

Kelli (24:27.183)
Yeah. And Cookie shows up.

Wendy (24:28.526)
So Steve, yep, Cookie shows up.

Stacy says to Wendy that she wants to talk to her and Tia and while they're talking Giselle walks up. Like she didn't need to be a part of that conversation.

Kelli (24:46.425)
not even a little tiny bit.

Wendy (24:54.382)
So then Tia says to Stacey, know, took time to get to know you. I get up at five o'clock in the morning and I, you know, I went to meet with you when I was there, invited you to dinner and Stacey said, yeah, and you invited my husband and he declined. Stacey said, my husband was flying out the next night. The problem with you is that you're a liar, Tia said. And I was like, I've given you the benefit of doubt. So I think, like I said,

Tia and Giselle, like Tia came on because she's Giselle's friend. So Giselle said to her, have to call her out on this. And that's why Giselle walked up so that she could be there to witness this whole.

Kelli (25:29.443)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (25:34.256)
Mm-hmm.

Make sure Tia did what she told her to do.

Wendy (25:40.758)
Right, right, which is horrible.

Wendy (25:47.734)
Again, I'm just, over this. I'm so over it. They need to do something else. They really do.

Kelli (25:53.978)
For real because then Kay comes over and and says Monique shared her thoughts on her marriage and then Stacey left and called Chris to tell him and And Wendy's like why are we doing this? Like what what are we doing? Why are we doing this and cookie yelled at Wendy?

Wendy (26:07.202)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:12.623)
She said to Wendy, don't act stupid.

Cookie, first of all, girl, I'm not gonna say it. Just get off the show. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it. But I was happy when Wendy said she met with Monique and Monique said that Cookie was gonna trash talk her.

Wendy (26:20.982)
No, don't say it. Don't say it.

Wendy (26:34.722)
Yep. Yep.

She said she'll just trash people.

Kelli (26:43.115)
Mm-hmm. And if we're going to talk about Monique, Monique should be here.

Wendy (26:43.425)
And Wendy said, think.

100%. 100%. Then Stacey pointed her finger at Cookie and said, and Cookie's like, don't point your finger at me. And I was like, boy, what is with that? I don't like when that happens.

Kelli (26:48.848)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:02.523)
No. No.

Wendy (27:07.318)
and Kiana jumps in, you do nothing but lie and Stacy and Kiana, the only time you get heated is when it's about me. Like, and that's true. Like, I mean.

Kelli (27:17.925)
Yes, yes, yes, 100%. I don't know what they're doing with Stacey. really, they're trying too hard and it's landing flat every time. It makes you, it's almost like, it makes you like Stacey more where you don't even mind the lies. Cause you're like, these, they're acting like assholes. Especially Giselle and Ashley. But listen,

Wendy (27:39.342)
It's true.

They really are.

Kelli (27:47.057)
Kiana, they're gonna learn the hard way.

Wendy (27:49.154)
I know she has to, yep, Karen has to jump in and she's like, I wouldn't trust you around my husband and Stacey, well, that's good because you don't have one. And the look on Wendy's face.

Kelli (27:57.16)
that was excellent. And Wendy was like, ooh.

Yeah, that's the thing, man. Stacey stays unscathed through all of this. She does not look affected at all. She does a great job, Stacey.

Wendy (28:08.332)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:14.072)
She really does do a great job. She really does.

Kelli (28:17.317)
But I think what's gonna happen is if Kiana stays on the show and she keeps doing this for Gisela and Ashley, it's gonna be an Emily Simpson, Tamra Judge thing. Emily did Tamra's dirty work for long enough and now she's like, you know what, I'm not doing it anymore and look at Tamra, the cornered rat coming at her now.

Wendy (28:34.976)
Yeah, we're gonna have to wait and see what happens, but I think that they need to do something else because it's just getting so old.

Kelli (28:42.233)
Yeah, how about talk about your own damn lives? Maybe that's what you should do, because you're getting paid a lot of money to be on this show.

Wendy (28:45.132)
Right.

Wendy (28:48.962)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:50.545)
I'm just so tired of the, listen, obviously we want a little drama, we want some cat fights, but it just goes to such a dark place.

Wendy (29:02.048)
It does, it really does and it doesn't need to. It doesn't need to.

Kelli (29:05.041)
Mm-mm.

Like I think it was Margaret Joseph's was being questioned at BravoCon by somebody. And he was like, what do you want to happen? She's like, I just want it to be fun again. Like of course, we need a little drama, like make fun of what I'm wearing, make fun of my hair, my makeup, whatever. But the dark family stuff, like it's just, nobody wants to watch it. Nobody enjoys watching that.

Wendy (29:29.144)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:33.558)
It's very true, nobody enjoys that. Nobody enjoys that. So I wanted to bring up Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. We are going to cover it. I wanted to bring it up because Dancing with the Stars were getting to the finale and two of the Mormon wives were on Dancing with the Stars. They've both been voted off. Yes, so who is left right now is Alex Earl.

Kelli (29:35.889)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:57.937)
they have.

Wendy (30:03.17)
Jordan Childs, Dylan Efron, Robert Irwin, and Elaine Hendrix. So Elaine Hendrix is from Freaky Friday. And Robert Irwin is obviously, yes. Yeah, and he was there when his sister Bindi competed 10 years ago. His sister won 10 years ago. I think he's gonna win. I think Robert, it's...

Kelli (30:03.569)
She can't believe it.

Kelli (30:16.465)
Steve Irvin's

Kelli (30:25.819)
Wow.

Wendy (30:30.934)
I think it's either going to be Robert Irwin or Alex Earl who's going to win.

Kelli (30:35.419)
thought Zac Efron's brother would win.

Wendy (30:38.53)
Dylan, he's good, but not as good as those two. mean, Robert Irwin is 21 years old. He's never danced before in his life. Like, he is so good. He is so much like his father. You know how his father was so like peppy and jumpy and that is what his son is. Like, he's so good at the quick step. He's so good at the jive. He's so good at these ballroom dances because he's got, he's just so animated and energetic and it just comes across.

Kelli (30:53.893)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:04.549)
Yeah, yeah, he brings that energy. that's nice, I'm happy to hear it. And I mean, Alex Earl, I she's a Jersey girl, so we're, know, root for her for sure.

Wendy (31:07.982)
Yeah, he really does. Yeah, so...

Yeah, yeah, definitely will root for her. So what happened with the two secret lives of Mormon wives, so the two that were there was Whitney. Now Whitney on season two, she had a very rough time with the other wives because she kept quitting. She would step away from them, she would leave the group, she would leave the mom talk. And then at the reunion that they had,

for season two, they announced that she was going to be on Dancing with the Stars along with Jen Affleck, her co-star. But what we didn't know because we hadn't seen season three, but they were already filming it, it had already been filmed when they had the season two reunion, is that.

She came back, when season three starts, Whitney's not on. She's not on. And Jen Affleck is on like a mental health break. She's not on either. And we find out that they all auditioned for Dancing with the Stars. But Whitney came back specifically to audition for Dancing with the Stars. And one of the things that they say, because I've only watched the first episode so far of season two, three, season three.

Kelli (32:10.21)
Wendy (32:33.77)
is that she made a demand, which is why she's not on it, that she didn't want more money for the next season. She wanted to go to the Oscars and she wanted to be in a scripted series.

Kelli (32:47.867)
Wait, who did this demand?

Wendy (32:49.352)
Whitney, Whitney.

Kelli (32:54.321)
She's like the least likable one, isn't she?

Wendy (32:54.474)
So she really is, she really is. So what happened was during Dancing with the Stars, first of all, she's got a degree, like she's got a degree in dance. She was dancing her whole life. She actually competed competitively in dance with Robert Irwin's professional dancer. So she's at that level. She's at that level. So she is very good.

Kelli (33:22.757)
And sh- well, she didn't do well because...

Wendy (33:25.954)
Well, she got voted off once Hulu dropped Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, because they dropped the whole season. And they saw like what her motive was and why she was there. And you know, the fans are a big part of it on Dancing with the Stars. It's not about how good you are.

Kelli (33:34.683)
right.

Kelli (33:44.753)
Well, that's why I'm thinking she didn't do well, right?

Wendy (33:48.268)
Well, she did well until it dropped, because it just recently dropped on Hulu. That being said, after she got voted out, I believe she is in callbacks to do Chicago on Broadway right now. So she is kind of getting her wish. Like she wanted to be able to be a professional dancer. And okay, so then go do that. Go follow your dream. But we're gonna cover that.

Kelli (34:12.079)
Right, right.

Yeah.

Wendy (34:16.802)
We'll do a couple episodes at a time. I just wanted to give you a little backstory of it and what's going on with it. And you guys can let us know, like, what are your thoughts on what we've discussed so far about the Whitney and the secret lives and the Dancing with the Stars crossover. It's really smart of these competition shows to bring in these people that have a following because it gets them a following.

Kelli (34:43.291)
Sure.

Wendy (34:44.716)
I mean, I watched Dancing with the Stars the very first season and Bill and I used to watch it. My kids and I, like we would watch it all, the whole family. And we stopped watching it for a while because it just wasn't that good. The cast wasn't that great. And it was kind of falling off. But this season, every single episode, they say that they've gotten more votes than ever before. I mean, more people are voting for Dancing with the Stars than for the President of the United States. I mean, how crazy is that? How crazy is that?

Kelli (34:52.57)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:11.3)
I believe it.

It's not crazy, because I'll be honest with you, I don't know if I'm ever voting again.

Wendy (35:17.806)
No, no, no, no, no, no politics.

Kelli (35:19.729)
But that's not for the podcast, because we don't get political on here. But I can totally say it. And that's good. Listen, do what you want, people.

Wendy (35:28.108)
Yeah, yeah, it's good. Yeah. So yeah, I just wanted to put that little bit of information out there. I don't think I have anything else.

Kelli (35:38.673)
I was listening to Heather McDonald today, recapping her BravoCon experience with Julie and Brandy. So funny. But I bring it up because she was talking to them about Real Housewives of Rhode Island. And I didn't realize that one of the new housewives was on The Bachelor.

Wendy (35:45.631)
okay.

Wendy (35:58.978)
yes, I did know that. I did know that. But it was like 10, it was a long time ago. I think it was like 10 years ago.

Kelli (36:00.667)
Yeah.

It was a long time ago and then she went on Bachelor in Paradise or something. She was on like two of them. So I just thought that was interesting when you you mentioned the crossover. So.

Wendy (36:09.57)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, no, it is interesting. And that's one of the things that they talked about too is like, Bravo doesn't normally like to do the crossovers, but listen, with all the things that are going on, you're gonna kind of have to do where you're gonna pull from, Like, right, right. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I was listening to, I know you don't like her, Kristen, Dodie, and-

Kelli (36:20.955)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:27.503)
Yeah, mean, there's so many shows on and people are into it, so why not?

Wendy (36:40.896)
her husband and Zach.

Kelli (36:42.341)
I actually do like Kristen now. I really do. I think motherhood has.

Wendy (36:44.556)
You do.

wait, before I forget, so the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that was also announced. So Nick Viall did the reunion, but the next reunion Stacey Schroeder is doing it, which is great news. I think she will be a great reunion host. Especially-

Kelli (37:00.208)
Yes.

Kelli (37:04.795)
Did you see the new cast for the new Vanderpump? There's like literally a Stasi lookalike on there.

Wendy (37:11.31)
Yes, I did. I did. I know. I know.

Kelli (37:14.609)
I'm not watching that. I'm definitely not watching that. I have no interest in watching the new Vanderpump rules. I can't stand Lisa Vanderpump. I'm sorry. I know that's an unpopular opinion. People love her. just, I'm not into it. Yeah, I'm very sick of her. However, when I get to Vegas, which I think I want to plan for mine and Eric's 25th wedding anniversary next year, I will definitely go to one of her restaurants because her restaurants look amazing.

Wendy (37:25.396)
No, I don't think it is. No, think people are sick of her.

Kelli (37:45.423)
like the decor, the food, everything.

Wendy (37:45.794)
Well, went to, yeah. I went to Sir and I went to TomTom and they are, they are amazing. So I would definitely recommend it. I would definitely recommend it. So Kristen and they were talking about their experience in BravoCon too. And one of the things that, what's Kristen's husband's name? Luke. Luke said that, you know, he was,

Kelli (37:50.875)
Mm-hmm.

Beautiful. Yeah.

Wendy (38:14.518)
in the airport and he was holding the baby and he was talking to Zach and Denise Richards came up to him and said, I feel like I know you. Like, I feel like I know all about you. And he's like, thinking to myself, my God, this is Denise Richards. Like she knows who I am, right? Like, can you imagine? I was like, my God, that's so cool. And that's what they were talking about. Like all the great things that happened. And Kristen was talking about all the people that came up to her.

Kelli (38:29.937)
That's great.

Wendy (38:42.38)
you know, with their fertility struggles and like their postpartum and like how she related to so many people. And she just like laughed a lot. She cried a lot. Her and Lindsay, you know, they got to spend a lot of time together because they really are friends. And then she was talking about her James May t-shirt booth and Zach was there and Jasmine and they were standing there. And then all of a sudden,

Kelli (38:49.894)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:57.776)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:08.44)
Kathy Hilton comes up and she starts picking up these shirts. She's like, my God, this is so cute. I love this. And she's taking videos with it. And she's like, I want this one. I want this one. And Chris is like, my God, you can have whatever you want. You're Kathy Hilton. And then before Kathy.

Kelli (39:24.638)
You better make her pay for it, Kristen. She's got more money than anybody.

Wendy (39:28.876)
Before Kathy Hilton left, she grabbed Kristin's hand and she said, honey, we have to all support each other. And Kristin's like,

Kelli (39:35.153)
Aww, I'm sure she did pay for them.

Wendy (39:38.208)
Well, I don't know if she did or she didn't, she, exactly. That's enough support, right? Right? So I, yeah. And she was talking about like all these nice experiences that they had. And I know it came out that Lindsay was fighting with Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend Victoria, but actually she was reprimanding them for fighting.

Kelli (39:40.101)
I guess maybe just her posting them alone was enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was nice, that is nice.

Kelli (40:05.679)
Right, she was trying to calm the situation down.

Wendy (40:08.366)
Right, right.

Kelli (40:11.515)
She was not activated.

Wendy (40:14.089)
No, no, no, she was not.

Kelli (40:15.121)
she was trying to stop the activation of them.

Wendy (40:18.956)
Yes. Yes. So yes.

Kelli (40:21.809)
Poor Lindsay, tries to do a good thing and they turn it on her.

Wendy (40:29.026)
I have watched a couple of the panels too that were on, you know, they popped up in my DVR. Some of them are good. You know, it's interesting to see. We're definitely get, we're going there in 2027. We will be there at the Four Seasons.

Kelli (40:37.862)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:41.221)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, you might have to hit some panels without me depending on who's on them, but we'll see. We'll see!

Wendy (40:50.19)
All right, we'll see.

Kelli (40:53.061)
You know who I'm not going to see, that's for sure.

Wendy (40:55.414)
I do, I do. It's two years away. Who knows? You may change your mind. You may, you, you never know. Don't say never.

Kelli (40:58.358)
I know. that's not going to

Kelli (41:04.721)
All right, yeah, I don't ever say never I don't ever say never but I don't know before so

Wendy (41:08.504)
Don't say never. Okay. We don't say never and we don't say hate. Those are two things we don't say.

Kelli (41:15.365)
Yeah, I've been trying to be better with that for sure. So I don't know if we're going to drop another one before Thanksgiving. So if we don't, happy Thanksgiving everybody.

Wendy (41:19.246)
All right.

Wendy (41:26.102)
Yes, Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy your families and your turkey and whatever your Thanksgiving traditions are.

Kelli (41:33.231)
Right, exactly.

Wendy (41:35.276)
Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (41:41.286)
Bye.